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MidnightWyvern
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Posted - 2016.01.04 15:32:26 -
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Kuronaga wrote:T'aura wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Can't imagine why. All my eve toons are above it, why would i commit them to something that has no relevance on EVE... Anyway since ive touched a nerve.... you seem to be rather defensive at the mention of turbo controllers.... are you.. you know... using? You haven't touched a nerve persay. I give everyone the same treatment who would attempt to slander me, my corporation or my alliance. Vindictive would be the word you are looking for. And vindictive is my policy. If it is in my ability to punish an individual who would slander any of the above, and I have not done so, then I feel I am neglecting my duty. FA has not accrued this number of districts through pure conquest. We take land from people who run their mouths and make poor decisions. Makes everything more satisfying. I am guessing you are not an individual I can take anything from though and, even if you were, probably don't have the courage to reveal your identity. I would suggest someone as low on the totem pole as yourself would probably be better off not making blind accusations about the skill level of those who are clearly far above you. Not because you have anything to lose by doing so, but simply because it makes you look silly. Good to hear you support a port though! Me too. And this is why I'm glad I got Mobius into FA.
In all seriousness, they insisted that PC was their goal back in 2014 when Project Legion still existed. CCP allowed the "EVE: Legion" copyright to expire earlier this year, which is not something one does when still working on a project.
Whatever they're doing now, the platform is no longer as set in stone as it used to be.
I continue to support the game staying on the PlayStation Network because that is who it was intended for in the first place. Back in 2009 during the first demo of the game CCP stated their intent to bring console gamers into New Eden, people who normally wouldn't be able to experience it.
I believe the support we have given Dust 514 and our continued dedication to it even when so many others have left should mean something. The people who chanted "PC MASTER RACE" in the stream chat during the Keynote are now nowhere to be seen and probably forgot the game existed, yet all of us on PSN are still here. We may not play as often, but we are the ones that continue to show dedication.
The issue that Kuronaga pointed out must also be considered. Say the game moved to Windows (maybe Mac but I doubt it) and then was integrated into Aegis Sov to make it truly meaningful. Let's also say that they changed the FAction Warfare system so that we can deploy entire teams into battles of our choice, allowing us to fully collaborate with FW players.
What happens when you start losing fights that control your territorial ownership to people with aimbots? Lest we forget, an aimbot causes your reticle to snap to certain shapes on your monitor, and many do not modify any game files or network traffic.
Certainly you could have a reporting system for banning these players, but bans have to be reviewed. Meanwhile the people running the exploits keep re-rolling new accounts and continuing to ruin your experience.
It's all well and good to namecall, but are you willing to put forward an actual solution to the problem?
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MidnightWyvern
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Posted - 2016.01.05 02:20:57 -
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Kela Khamez wrote:+1
Bring dust to PC and I will play the hell out of it Or bring it to PS4 so the current community who made the game profitable can continue to play it.
I say this as someone who owns a gaming PC but not a PS4. Despite the fact it would be beneficial to me for it to be on PC, I want what's best for the community.
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MidnightWyvern
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Posted - 2016.01.05 12:41:43 -
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Lateris wrote:My personal opinion is that a New Eden FPS should be on the PC and the PS4. This would be best for the New Eden Community as a whole and would unify this issue once and for all. Then we can move on to better issues such as the future.
Most of us can easily guess that a New Eden shooter for the PS4 or the PC will most likely have VR attached to it within Unreal Engine 4 after we see how this first half of the year goes for VR. I am hopeful but can't stand the silence, ohhh the agony of leadership.
Or its dead Jim... The only issue with that would be that we still haven't found a way to compensate for the motion sickness aspect.
Games that put you in cockpits are fine because you're seated in the cockpit just as you are in reality, and the illusion isn't broken. With an FPS, though, sight and sound are telling you you're moving while your other senses are telling you you're stationary.
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MidnightWyvern
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Posted - 2016.01.06 02:34:47 -
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Kela Khamez wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:Or bring it to PS4 so the current community who made the game profitable can continue to play it. so the people in the dust community don't have PCs? Whatever Im just giving my opinion. Ill play it on PC. If it goes to PS4 too then great I guess. A fair majority of the current players I've run squads with use consoles because they want less hassle and such that their kids can use it when they aren't.
I realize the popular stereotype is bratty teenagers who got one as a Christmas present and bad mouth everyone, but most of the people I've played Dust 514 with are the same age and maturity level of the people I've played EVE with. They've just made different decisions as to their spending.
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MidnightWyvern
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Posted - 2016.01.06 16:57:04 -
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Kela Khamez wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:A fair majority of the current players I've run squads with use consoles because they want less hassle and such that their kids can use it when they aren't.
I realize the popular stereotype is bratty teenagers who got one as a Christmas present and bad mouth everyone, but most of the people I've played Dust 514 with are the same age and maturity level of the people I've played EVE with. They've just made different decisions as to their spending. Good for them? Im not buying a PS4 just to play Dust. Im a huge fps fan though. If dust goes to PC Ill play it a tonne and probably spend so much money on it that CCP wont miss those console players XD Yeah, good luck with that.
We've got some people still stacking 3 30 day boosters each month, some people even doing Passive AND Active Boosters.
In any case, Dust 514 was never meant to take people away from EVE. EVE is their game for PC gamers.
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MidnightWyvern
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Posted - 2016.01.06 17:30:17 -
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Kela Khamez wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:EVE is their game for PC gamers. Yea? Valk is PC too. CCP would be smart if they had all their games on PC imo. Every player can play alot of genres of game but all in New Eden and all the money going to the same pocket. Point is belabored now but you get the idea. PC all the way for me. Well Valkyrie only runs on VR headsets. Also keep in mind that EVE: Valkyrie has been part of every one of Sony's PSVR press events, and has been confirmed as a PC and PS4 title for quite some time.
I'd support Dust 514 being in both platforms if I thought it was possible because that would bring in the widest range of players. Unfortunately, the issue of raw mouse input beating controllers hands-down in any situation would necessitate either heavy aim-assist or restrictions on mouse input, which would put off both sides.
That's not to mention how rabid people get over the whole PC vs Console "war".
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MidnightWyvern
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Posted - 2016.01.10 13:55:36 -
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Lateris wrote:No offense= Sadly, the real issue here is that the game is on a dying piece of hardware. And the fact that the communication for Project Legion has been less than stellar. It has been terrible. Bring the development out of that region back to the US\Iceland and Europe.
@Kuronaga- Dude- why do you play a PC game like Eve if you are worried about hacks? S You can't cheat in EVE Online, for the most part. Hell, I remember reading CCP boasting about finding a group of players farming an industry exploit that let them instantly complete jobs, and every available employee logged on with their Dev accounts and blew up all their towers and assets before banning them all.
Well, lot's of people talk about enforcement, but the reality is that as a point-and-click game there's really nothing to modify that would give you an advantage. Everything your ship is capable of is calculated by the server, so any attempt to modify that client-side wouldn't have an effect.
That's not the case for first-person-shooters, as I'm sure you know. All kinds of cheat software already exists and could be easily modified to work with whatever form Dust 514 takes next. Also, as I've already said, an aimbot doesn't even need to modify the game files since it just looks for certain shapes on your monitor and then commands your reticule to center on a chosen part of that shape, usually the head.
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MidnightWyvern
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Posted - 2016.01.11 03:09:58 -
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Kador Ouryon wrote:
I'm sorry Mr Self Entitlement.... I don't think Dust's problems had much to do with the PC or Console Community so much that is was developed in a manner that didn't really play to CCP's strengths or really allow them much leeway to create what they wanted to achieve.
To date Dust 514's console fan base has been intensely loyal and dedicated to the game. We're certainly not the easiest community to deal with, though no more difficult that this one I shouldn't think, but we're passionate about the game and the universe it inhabits.
I'd honestly like to see Duster redeveloped on the PC, not because I feel it should target the PC player base any more than the Console one, but because CCP knows the PC and can really give themselves all the things they need to make Dust 514 what the originally wanted it to be. Still I'd like to see it refurbished for the console players who made it a profitable game through their enjoyment of what Dust had to offer.
Tbh a lot of Dust players already play with mouse and keyboard over the console controller. I sometimes prefer it for infantry combat but not so much for vehicle game play... regardless of whether or not it was put on the PC those same dedicated Duster corporations from the consoles would be easily capable of competing at any level with PC gamers.
Actually there's a VERY small actual percentage of people who use mouse and keyboard because the game doesn't support raw Mouse and Keyboard output.
Vudra Keerah wrote:Yeah that's right! Blow the PC community off and bend the knee for console once again because that shat really worked out... Dust was MADE for console gamers in the first place. It was made to bring people into New Eden who would normally be unable to experience it with a style of gameplay that would appeal to them rather than the point-and-click style of EVE.
People like you are why some of the Dust community say they'll leave the game if it goes to PC even though they have PCs that will run it. The idea of being forced to associate with your kind would remove any enjoyment from the experience.
If we can accomplish nothing else with the long and tortuous saga that is Dust 514, I at least hope we can make some strides toward ending this stupid ******* PC vs Console "war" that has persisted for far too long.
If it weren't for that crap, I'd say release the game on both and come up with gameplay mechanics to balance the two control methods. The sad fact is that even if CCP balanced the game for both communities, there'd be a fair majority who would shun the game just for trying to make peace between both sides.
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MidnightWyvern
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Posted - 2016.01.11 12:51:23 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Lateris wrote:No offense= Sadly, the real issue here is that the game is on a dying piece of hardware. And the fact that the communication for Project Legion has been less than stellar. It has been terrible. Bring the development out of that region back to the US\Iceland and Europe.
@Kuronaga- Dude- why do you play a PC game like Eve if you are worried about hacks? S Hacking EVE involves changing game data or altering packets sent to the server. I once knew a man who did this and he was spotted very quickly and sent on his way by the GM's. To gain an unfair advantage in EVE it is easier to do things like run bots/macros because these programs don't alter the games data and are harder to automatically detect so long as the behavior is updated consistently. This kind of "cheating" doesn't directly benefit someone during a fight though, so its easy to ignore most of the time without it completely ruining your experience. Hacking in a first person shooter also typically involves running exterior programs -- for an aimbot you run a program outside the game with a custom profile which zeros in on certain 3D objects. If you're going for a wall hack, you're actually just omitting data sent to your graphics card. Old school "speed hacks" simply involved overclocking ones machine to run every process several times its normal speed, effectively tricking the game engine into doing everything faster. That problem was plugged by most devs about a decade ago, but its just another example of how changing things outside the games data will effect the game itself. FPS is the most hacked genre because it is the easiest to hack, and the hardest to detect. Thats why you see it more often, and also why most bans are done by a person rather than by anti-hack software. When the game happens to be free, its even worse because you lose a lot of the deterrence. The long and the short of it is, Dust is the kind of game that would be a hackers playground and it would absolutely ruin everyone's experience with it. CCP Saberwing admitted as much before he was laid off, and he also said that they didn't really have a plan laid out to deal with it at the time. Some games are better on PC, but this isn't one of them. It does, however, need to get the hell off of PS3. What needs to be kept in mind here that both of us have said in some other threads as well is that in every other PC game you don't lose anything when someone cheats. At the end of the match, nothing that happened in the previous one really matters.
Even in Planetside 2 - since people love to use that example - territory capture doesn't really mean anything at the end of the day. All 3 factions have spawns on each continent, and the only way to really "own" territory is to "lock" the continent, thereby removing it from play and giving your faction a bonus. However, by the time you log in the next day the other groups on the server will have likely taken back everything you did.
EVE Online isn't like that. When you take territory you own it, can upgrade it, and have to defend it, as we are all well aware of.
Now, I want you to imagine Dust 514 on PC, fully linked into EVE Online with links to Sovereignty and Faction Warfare.
I want you to imagine being in conflict with an opposing coalition in null-sec, and losing your territory because the Dust players in the enemy coalition are using cheat software such as aimbots and wallhacks that operate outside the game software and are thus impossible to automatically detect.
I want you to imagine being unable to capture a system in FW because a group of Dust players is cheating on the ground and keeping the system capture multiplier stacked against you no matter what you do.
Keep in mind that Dust is a free-to-play game, and it his highly unlikely that CCP would attempt to change that. This means that even if cheating can be confirmed and bans are handed down, those people will just re-roll new characters and even entire Corporations if necessary in order to ensure they continue to win by any means necessary, thereby ruining the game for the rest of us.
The fact that my alt has been in Gallente FW for a while now, and I've actually seen several long-term FW pilots in EVE say they're thankful Dust 514 is on consoles so they can't lose systems to cheaters should say something about where reality lies in this discussion.
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MidnightWyvern
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Posted - 2016.01.12 02:25:17 -
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Kador Ouryon wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:
The fact that my alt has been in Gallente FW for a while now, and I've actually seen several long-term FW pilots in EVE say they're thankful Dust 514 is on consoles so they can't lose systems to cheaters should say something about where reality lies in this discussion.
True enough but at the same time our links to FW are not very good.... they're not able to be controlled and the biggest issue we face is that as a result our FW system is too chaotic to be effectively used by EVE pilots for anything more than grumbling when I am on comms with them. Agreed.
That's part of why CPM Sgt Kirk is so strongly in favor of a system where pleding to a faction allows you to choose your deployment location.
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MidnightWyvern
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Posted - 2016.01.19 13:40:55 -
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Lemmi ChillMister wrote: Still no news about a port...
Not even news about warlords 1.3....
Did all the Devs leave the Dust514 team???
Apparently CCP Rattati recently favorited a post by Jadek on Twitter.
That's about it.
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Posted - 2016.01.21 01:30:59 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=465691&find=unread
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