A fair majority of the current players I've run squads with use consoles because they want less hassle and such that their kids can use it when they aren't.

I realize the popular stereotype is bratty teenagers who got one as a Christmas present and bad mouth everyone, but most of the people I've played Dust 514 with are the same age and maturity level of the people I've played EVE with. They've just made different decisions as to their spending.

Good for them? Im not buying a PS4 just to play Dust. Im a huge fps fan though. If dust goes to PC Ill play it a tonne and probably spend so much money on it that CCP wont miss those console players XD

EVE is their game for PC gamers.

Yea? Valk is PC too. CCP would be smart if they had all their games on PC imo. Every player can play alot of genres of game but all in New Eden and all the money going to the same pocket. Point is belabored now but you get the idea. PC all the way for me.

Yea? Valk is PC too. CCP would be smart if they had all their games on PC imo. Every player can play alot of genres of game but all in New Eden and all the money going to the same pocket. Point is belabored now but you get the idea. PC all the way for me.

Well Valkyrie only runs on VR headsets. Also keep in mind that EVE: Valkyrie has been part of every one of Sony's PSVR press events, and has been confirmed as a PC and PS4 title for quite some time.

I'd support Dust 514 being in both platforms if I thought it was possible because that would bring in the widest range of players. Unfortunately, the issue of raw mouse input beating controllers hands-down in any situation would necessitate either heavy aim-assist or restrictions on mouse input, which would put off both sides.

That's not to mention how rabid people get over the whole PC vs Console "war".

No offense= Sadly, the real issue here is that the game is on a dying piece of hardware. And the fact that the communication for Project Legion has been less than stellar. It has been terrible. Bring the development out of that region back to the US\Iceland and Europe.

@Kuronaga- Dude- why do you play a PC game like Eve if you are worried about hacks? S

Yeah that's right! Blow the PC community off and bend the knee for console once again because that shat really worked out...

I'm sorry Mr Self Entitlement.... I don't think Dust's problems had much to do with the PC or Console Community so much that is was developed in a manner that didn't really play to CCP's strengths or really allow them much leeway to create what they wanted to achieve.

To date Dust 514's console fan base has been intensely loyal and dedicated to the game. We're certainly not the easiest community to deal with, though no more difficult that this one I shouldn't think, but we're passionate about the game and the universe it inhabits.

I'd honestly like to see Duster redeveloped on the PC, not because I feel it should target the PC player base any more than the Console one, but because CCP knows the PC and can really give themselves all the things they need to make Dust 514 what the originally wanted it to be. Still I'd like to see it refurbished for the console players who made it a profitable game through their enjoyment of what Dust had to offer.

Tbh a lot of Dust players already play with mouse and keyboard over the console controller. I sometimes prefer it for infantry combat but not so much for vehicle game play... regardless of whether or not it was put on the PC those same dedicated Duster corporations from the consoles would be easily capable of competing at any level with PC gamers.

Yeah that's right! Blow the PC community off and bend the knee for console once again because that shat really worked out...

No offense= Sadly, the real issue here is that the game is on a dying piece of hardware. And the fact that the communication for Project Legion has been less than stellar. It has been terrible. Bring the development out of that region back to the US\Iceland and Europe.

@Kuronaga- Dude- why do you play a PC game like Eve if you are worried about hacks? S

Hacking EVE involves changing game data or altering packets sent to the server. I once knew a man who did this and he was spotted very quickly and sent on his way by the GM's. To gain an unfair advantage in EVE it is easier to do things like run bots/macros because these programs don't alter the games data and are harder to automatically detect so long as the behavior is updated consistently. This kind of "cheating" doesn't directly benefit someone during a fight though, so its easy to ignore most of the time without it completely ruining your experience.

Hacking in a first person shooter also typically involves running exterior programs -- for an aimbot you run a program outside the game with a custom profile which zeros in on certain 3D objects. If you're going for a wall hack, you're actually just omitting data sent to your graphics card. Old school "speed hacks" simply involved overclocking ones machine to run every process several times its normal speed, effectively tricking the game engine into doing everything faster. That problem was plugged by most devs about a decade ago, but its just another example of how changing things outside the games data will effect the game itself. FPS is the most hacked genre because it is the easiest to hack, and the hardest to detect. Thats why you see it more often, and also why most bans are done by a person rather than by anti-hack software. When the game happens to be free, its even worse because you lose a lot of the deterrence.


The long and the short of it is, Dust is the kind of game that would be a hackers playground and it would absolutely ruin everyone's experience with it. CCP Saberwing admitted as much before he was laid off, and he also said that they didn't really have a plan laid out to deal with it at the time. Some games are better on PC, but this isn't one of them. It does, however, need to get the hell off of PS3.

The fact that my alt has been in Gallente FW for a while now, and I've actually seen several long-term FW pilots in EVE say they're thankful Dust 514 is on consoles so they can't lose systems to cheaters should say something about where reality lies in this discussion.

True enough but at the same time our links to FW are not very good.... they're not able to be controlled and the biggest issue we face is that as a result our FW system is too chaotic to be effectively used by EVE pilots for anything more than grumbling when I am on comms with them.

Still no news about a port...

Not even news about warlords 1.3....

Did all the Devs leave the Dust514 team???

Apparently CCP Rattati recently favorited a post by Jadek on Twitter.

That's about it.