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ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:13:00 - [1] I got one of my friends to try EVE today. We played for a few hours. and he decided he didnt like it. The problem is I sent him a few isk to play around with and now there no way in hell i can get it back. The amount is not that much, but I dont see why my friend cant even send me a small amount of that isk back WTF CCP? I don't have a problem with authority... ...as long as it doesn't get in my way.
Missy Univers	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:16:00 - [2] Thats beacuse of isk sellers. he could buy something and give it to you by a can in space. Maby you could try trade?
ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:19:00 - [3] Tried trade that doesnt work, cans and stuff are out of the question, becasue that will make half of what i have. I don't have a problem with authority... ...as long as it doesn't get in my way.
Jaggire	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:20:00 - [4] Station trades don't work anymore? Could always put up something for sale for the amount and have him buy it.
Levin Milraco	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:21:00 - [5] you can always put up a sell order of XXXXXXXXX isk for 1 tri and have him buy it... but yeah... you still lose some to broker and tax though
Empire marketslave	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:21:00 - [6] but a sell order up for like one unit of something stupid like a civi unit for whatever you gave him and have him buy it at that
ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:22:00 - [7] The problem is that my char is about 40jumps out now. I don't have a problem with authority... ...as long as it doesn't get in my way.
CrestoftheStars Deviance Inc SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:23:00 - [8] this is a good thing.. you would see alot of isk sellers if this wasn't the chase.. and its not a problem the ccp should be using time on.. i mean there is so much that the subscripted players would need more then this
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:47:00 - [9] buy "insert item with stable market price" jetison on safe spot you pick it up and sell it ------------------------------------------- That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
Angelis666 Amarr The Knights Of Camelot	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:57:00 - [10] nope cant do that either, Same thing happended to me, i put up a market order my mate bought it, he lost the money got the item, i got nothing. The isk just disapeared. so only thing i can think of is the safespot je****on Where Gamers Give Back
Lady Loom Red Mercury Industries Legiones Astartes	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:06:00 - [11] Edited by: Lady Loom on 25/12/2006 00:06:30 Originally by: Angelis666 nope cant do that either, Same thing happended to me, i put up a market order my mate bought it, he lost the money got the item, i got nothing. The isk just disapeared. so only thing i can think of is the safespot je**on yup, noticed that back in August when I tried to send money to a char on another trial account (from a trial account), of course it didn't work so I put up some trit for the amount I wanted to exchange - yet the money just disappeared. The only reliable/safe way to do it is direct trade in a station, unless they even blocked that (which would be pretty stupid IMO) [[ power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat** ]]
Daddy's Belt Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:17:00 - [12] Originally by: ghosttr I got one of my friends to try EVE today. We played for a few hours. and he decided he didnt like it. You don't make a very good impression, do you. And as for "HUGE problem", it's actually pretty small. You've got much bigger problems than ISK. Someone's gonna get a buttwhippin'!
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:19:00 - [13] ask your friend to login and send a petition to a GM to move the isk for him. Only way it will work.
Acinonyx Jubatus International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:21:00 - [14] I always pondered, what of buying isk the commodity, which is usually 1 to 1 ratio, jetting it, then the reciever selling it for the same 1 to 1 ratio...? Try that yet? --- Hooray! :D Watch this one get modded.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Acinonyx Jubatus I always pondered, what of buying isk the commodity, which is usually 1 to 1 ratio, jetting it, then the reciever selling it for the same 1 to 1 ratio...? Try that yet? isk the commodity??
Acinonyx Jubatus International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 01:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Acinonyx Jubatus I always pondered, what of buying isk the commodity, which is usually 1 to 1 ratio, jetting it, then the reciever selling it for the same 1 to 1 ratio...? Try that yet? isk the commodity?? Don't look at me like that... I swear there was something along the lines of currency/money/ isk... or credits and it was in the trade goods at a 1 to 1 ratio, and I've seen it before when I went on a trading expedition... not sure what happened to it, maybe they removed it. --- Hooray! :D Watch this one get modded.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2006.12.25 01:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Hakera ask your friend to login and send a petition to a GM to move the isk for him. Only way it will work. I hate to trivialize the OP's problem but is that petition worthy? I mean, how much ISK are we talking about anyway?
ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.25 02:34:00 - [18] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: Hakera ask your friend to login and send a petition to a GM to move the isk for him. Only way it will work. I hate to trivialize the OP's problem but is that petition worthy? I mean, how much ISK are we talking about anyway? After spending it was only 7mil isk. But its stupid not to be able to even transfer small amounts of isk. I don't have a problem with authority... ...as long as it doesn't get in my way.
darklegionca Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.25 03:01:00 - [19] doesnt like eve wtf is wrong with him ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Barry Cantona	Posted - 2006.12.25 03:05:00 - [20] Bet after a few hours he was gagging to do an ambush and had to go back.
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.12.25 04:03:00 - [21] market trick does not work because you try with items that move alot example. you put sell order of trit for 10 mil isk. but there is already a sell order at the same station for 2 isk. so if your alt wants to buy trit for 10 mil isk he will spend those 10 mil but the order with minimal price will be chosen by the system. And the person with that order will receive your 10 mil isk. that is just how the system works. so try this - as a buyer, use "station" range and try that in station without other sell orders for the same item.
hangnoose Caldari Repo Industries	Posted - 2006.12.25 05:59:00 - [22] CCP is screwing with you because your friend has bad tastes in video games.... I wouldn't hang around him anymore if I were you. Not like eve, blasphemy.
Sun Win Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2006.12.25 06:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Lady Loom Edited by: Lady Loom on 25/12/2006 00:06:30 Originally by: Angelis666 nope cant do that either, Same thing happended to me, i put up a market order my mate bought it, he lost the money got the item, i got nothing. The isk just disapeared. ISK didn't disappear. What happened was that the (very surprised) person who had the lowest sell order of that particular item got the isk and sold one of their items. New to Eve? Learn to Fly - join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Jektai Koba	Posted - 2006.12.25 12:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Angelis666 nope cant do that either, Same thing happended to me, i put up a market order my mate bought it, he lost the money got the item, i got nothing. The isk just disapeared. so only thing i can think of is the safespot je****on Someone realy doesn't understand the market huh? When you buy something it basicly puts up a 1 second buy order with a 1 station radius. The order is automaticaly filled by whoever has the lowest price. The money didn't dissapear, it just didn't go to you. For it to work you would have to sell it at a station where there were no other sell orders for trit. Why do you think people are always trying to undercut each other by half an ISK?
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.25 15:13:00 - [25] oh well tell youre friend its designed to keep the game clear of ISK farmers ( gold farmers) they ruin many a game and eve wants to make sure they are only a small problem here. Or at least paying for accounts These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Lady Loom Red Mercury Industries Legiones Astartes	Posted - 2006.12.26 16:59:00 - [26] Edited by: Lady Loom on 26/12/2006 17:04:39 Edited by: Lady Loom on 26/12/2006 17:03:26 Originally by: Sun Win ISK didn't disappear. What happened was that the (very surprised) person who had the lowest sell order of that particular item got the isk and sold one of their items. actually, no, unless that "very surprised" person managed to replace my order (the only of that kind) with his and managed to fool the game into saying (on the transactions tab of the two characters' wallets) that it was a transfer between the two characters in question, when in reality it was between my buyer and "Very Surprised Seller". Impossible? Yeah, thought so... Originally by: Jektai Koba Someone realy doesn't understand the market huh? When you buy something it basicly puts up a 1 second buy order with a 1 station radius. The order is automaticaly filled by whoever has the lowest price. The money didn't dissapear, it just didn't go to you. For it to work you would have to sell it at a station where there were no other sell orders for trit. Why do you think people are always trying to undercut each other by half an ISK? Seriously, you people need to learn to read - if he's putting up a sell order, and his buddy buys that particular order (distinguishable by funky price, eg.), you know, you can CHOOSE what sell order you buy. The guy who had the money got the item now, and the other guy's sell order vanishes but he doesn't get the money. Buy orders are automatic (ISK automatically goes to the highest buy order in range), Sell orders are not unless you choose them to be. [[ power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat ]]
Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Lady Loom Seriously, you people need to learn to read - if he's putting up a sell order, and his buddy buys that particular order (distinguishable by funky price, eg.), you know, you can CHOOSE what sell order you buy. You do not understand how the market works. You are not able to pick and choose which Sell Order you wish to buy. It doesn't matter which Sell Order you happened to rclick on and say to buy, when you "buy" an item it will fill that order with the lowest priced Sell Order on the market. The market is not useable as a method to selectively transfer ISK. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| CCG Card Lookup
Lady Loom Red Mercury Industries Legiones Astartes	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:28:00 - [28] Edited by: Lady Loom on 26/12/2006 18:38:35 Originally by: Kylania Originally by: Lady Loom Seriously, you people need to learn to read - if he's putting up a sell order, and his buddy buys that particular order (distinguishable by funky price, eg.), you know, you can CHOOSE what sell order you buy. You do not understand how the market works. You are not able to pick and choose which Sell Order you wish to buy. It doesn't matter which Sell Order you happened to rclick on and say to buy, when you "buy" an item it will fill that order with the lowest priced Sell Order on the market. The market is not useable as a method to selectively transfer ISK. so you're saying that when there are two items, one for 30k and the other for 40k sold in a station, I right-click/buy the one for 40k (for whatever reasons), it takes 40k from my wallet and takes the item from the 30k stack? Also doesn't explain why the order disappeared from the seller character's wallet and why the transaction log of the buyer listed the intended seller's name in the transaction that cost him ISK, without the seller actually getting the money [[ power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat ]]
Trina Porter EvR Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:33:00 - [29] and the 30k person gets your 40k yes. as one who plays the market its not unusual for me to get people buying my goods for more than i have them up for, and the amount i get is generally that of the next highest seller.
Synapse X Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Lady Loom Originally by: Kylania Originally by: Lady Loom Seriously, you people need to learn to read - if he's putting up a sell order, and his buddy buys that particular order (distinguishable by funky price, eg.), you know, you can CHOOSE what sell order you buy. You do not understand how the market works. You are not able to pick and choose which Sell Order you wish to buy. It doesn't matter which Sell Order you happened to rclick on and say to buy, when you "buy" an item it will fill that order with the lowest priced Sell Order on the market. The market is not useable as a method to selectively transfer ISK. so you're saying that when there are two items, one for 30k and the other for 40k sold in a station, I right-click/buy the one for 40k (for whatever reasons), it takes 40k from my wallet and takes the item from the 30k stack? Yes. And a 30k seller gets 40k in his wallet.
Trollin	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:39:00 - [31] Synapse is right. --------------------------------------------------- A word to the wise ain't necessary, its the stupid ones that need the advice
Lady Loom Red Mercury Industries Legiones Astartes	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Synapse X Yes. And a 30k seller gets 40k in his wallet. that makes no freaking sense... [[ power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat ]]
Mei Jiang	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:41:00 - [33] sure it does, it's what happens in the stock exchange and in commodities markets around the world.
Lady Loom Red Mercury Industries Legiones Astartes	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:46:00 - [34] makes no sense, period (the real world doesn't either...) care to explain the following? "the order disappeared from the seller character's wallet and the transaction log of the buyer listed the intended seller's name in the transaction that cost him ISK, without the seller actually getting the money" [[ power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat ]]
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.26 18:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Kylania Originally by: Lady Loom Seriously, you people need to learn to read - if he's putting up a sell order, and his buddy buys that particular order (distinguishable by funky price, eg.), you know, you can CHOOSE what sell order you buy. You do not understand how the market works. You are not able to pick and choose which Sell Order you wish to buy. It doesn't matter which Sell Order you happened to rclick on and say to buy, when you "buy" an item it will fill that order with the lowest priced Sell Order on the market. The market is not useable as a method to selectively transfer ISK. I can confirm, some time I have been the surprised seller, even petitioned it fearing it could cause problem as using a bug. GM confirmed that the lowest sell order is the one that get the isk, indipendently by what is the sell order selected.
Red Reaver	Posted - 2006.12.26 19:30:00 - [36] Out of curiosity, could the OP put a hauling contract up with the 7m as collateral and then have the other guy just never deliver it?

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