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Sinner aint'no'Saint
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Posted - 2006.12.24 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sinner aint''no''Saint on 24/12/2006 23:29:39 I think it sucks for level fours but i know there has to be a way to do it. I just took my first lvl 4, Massive Attack, and got wtfspanked. level 2, i was able to clear out everything but the two BS. and when it came to them, i couldn't tank them and I couldn't kill them.
Currently my set up is:
7x heavies
2x Missions Specific Hardners 1x Invul 3x Large Shield extenders
3x Ballistic Controls 1x PDS
w/ T2 small drones.
It handled lvl 3s just fine. shield regen is horrible but I have 12k shield HP so thats nice. I can put t2 everything in place but dont really want to spend the cash to do so at the moment and quite honestly I am not sure how much it will help. I think it needs an AB and better regen. Any thoughts?
edit: I should note that I fly primarily amarr with armor tanking so my skills could be better and ive never flown caldari like this b4.
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Dai007
Caldari Crabbs
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Posted - 2006.12.25 00:43:00 -
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'Cough', Raven
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Slayton Ford
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.25 00:50:00 -
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I dont have the stats in front of me but I think once you use 3 LSE IIs your sig radius is high enough to take full dmg from Cruise or Torps. I had no problem tanking 6 Gur BS in GE room2 using 2 LSE IIs, 2 Kin Hard, 1 Inv, 1 Kin Amp (low on cpu for 3rd hard). Additionally, swap the PDU for a SPR or swap a BCU for a SPR, this will help your regen somewhat.
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PartyVaN
Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.25 00:59:00 -
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all the extra hp is worthless if you're not regenerating it. 2x LSE IIs, 2x SPRs and then the rest hardeners.
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Malcolm Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.12.25 01:30:00 -
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7 x T2 Heavies 4 T2 Active Hardners, 2 x LSE II 2 BCU II, 1 SPR and 1 PDS II
Control the aggro and all level 4's shouldnt be a problem.
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Sinner aint'no'Saint
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Posted - 2006.12.25 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Slayton Ford I dont have the stats in front of me but I think once you use 3 LSE IIs your sig radius is high enough to take full dmg from Cruise or Torps. I had no problem tanking 6 Gur BS in GE room2 using 2 LSE IIs, 2 Kin Hard, 1 Inv, 1 Kin Amp (low on cpu for 3rd hard). Additionally, swap the PDU for a SPR or swap a BCU for a SPR, this will help your regen somewhat.
hey, thanks. I didn't think about the Sig Radius- i still haven't gotten used to the new missile system. So my sig radius affects the missile damage I can tank?
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JoeT
Amarr Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.12.25 01:50:00 -
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Hi: Heayy Luancher x7
Med: 3 rat hardener (or 2 + invul) 3 Large shield extenders II
Lows PDU II 3 shield Power relay
Depending on skills 70+ shields/sec --- If i'm posting on the forums, it's mostly cause i'm at work :D
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GeiJin
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Posted - 2006.12.25 02:17:00 -
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Some more Engineering (shield) skills will help, as will BC skill (for the extra resists)
My Drake uses 3 x LSE 2 (19888 shield) regen is around 75/s 3 x T2 resists (variable per mission) In lows I have 1 Ballistic Control,2 x PDS and an SPR
I find PDS and SPR are almost interchangable, simply because whilst PDS has less innate regen, the extra HP almost makes up for this.
The only time I've encountered a major problem with this setup is not being able to hit hard enough to kill Hoborak Moon (2.5mill bounty) in Vengeance (level 4), but that's my lack of missile skills.
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subvert
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Posted - 2006.12.25 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: subvert on 25/12/2006 10:55:54 A Drake can definately tank it, as a drake can tank better than a raven especially with rigs. The problem is DPS to break battleship tanks fast enough so that the mission is worth your time, and unless you can manage to fit cruise launchers (at least) that probably wont happen. You can still do plenty but it would take so much time.
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SephiriotH
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.25 11:30:00 -
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Drake is useless without assault missiles and any caldari PvE ship is useless without shield booster , imo.
Remember : With a bad word and good torpedo you are always hurting more then with a bad word alone. |
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Shandling
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Posted - 2006.12.25 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: SephiriotH Drake is useless without assault missiles and any caldari PvE ship is useless without shield booster , imo.
Hehe, you're joking right? (Sorry, have to check)
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EPSILON DELTA
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Posted - 2006.12.25 19:49:00 -
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high: 7 heavy med: 2 lse, 3 hardner, 1 sensor booster/painter/webber low: 3 bcu, 1 relay all t2
solo most lv4 missions except 400dps rat ones.
damage not high as raven so takes longer.
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.26 20:35:00 -
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Use heavy launcher IIs and fury heavies perhaps? Expensive ammo, but might just swing it. I haven't tried it yet.
---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." ---------------------------------------------- |
Magnus Card
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.26 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: vanBuskirk Use heavy launcher IIs and fury heavies perhaps? Expensive ammo, but might just swing it. I haven't tried it yet.
Or perhaps some Missle damage rigs. I havn't checked if the CPU hit from those would be too high or not but they do add some nice dps.
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Gungankllr
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.27 03:18:00 -
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7 Heavy Launchers
Large Shield Booster II 2 Kinetic Hardener II 2 Thermal Hardener II Shield Boost Amp II
3 PDS II 1 BCU II
5 Light Drone II
Think of it like a little navy raven.
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
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Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.12.27 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir Tinakin on 27/12/2006 04:04:39
Originally by: Gungankllr 7 Heavy Launchers
Large Shield Booster II 2 Kinetic Hardener II 2 Thermal Hardener II Shield Boost Amp II
3 PDS II 1 BCU II
5 Light Drone II
Think of it like a little navy raven.
A baby raven? :)
I also recommend a Missile RoF rig, the Shield Recharge bonus rig, and either a shield booster cap discount rig or some other hardener/speed/missile rig--the damage boost rig is a good one too. ----------------------------------------------- Adm Vladimir Tinakin CFO / Acting Logistics CO Hadean Drive Yards |
Yolan
Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.07 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Yolan on 07/01/2007 17:59:11 My setup for lvl 4's is:
High: 7 x Heavies, Med nos Mids: 2 x Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster, 2 x Shield Amp, 2 x Specific Active Hardners Lows: 2 x BCU II, 1 PDU II, 1 Named DCU Rigs: 2 x Passive Shield resists boost (I have EM & Thermal) 1 x Cap recharge boost
Works a treat
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.01.07 19:58:00 -
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hrmm..
just did that mission yesterday in my drake, in 40 some odd minutes.
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Nimitz Alexander
Golden Goose Logistics Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.01.08 06:01:00 -
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yeah its possible but slowwww as hell, did angel extravaganza fine 4, but took me three hours.... back to the raven
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Anja Melicon
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:40:00 -
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My setup so far is:
High: 7 x 'Arb' Heavies Mids: 2 x Shield Recharger IIs, 2 x Shield Extender IIs, 1 x Invuln, 1 x Passive EM II Lows: 2 x BCU II, 1 x PDU, 1 x SRU Rigs: 1 x Target Velocity Netraliser
Working towards an EM Passive Resist Rig and either a Damage or RoF rig.
Can't realy claim it as a great lvl 4 setup as so far I've only done 2 'Easy' missions, but during those it handled well (Against 4 BSs firing Paradise Cruise the shield never dropped below 66%) Am looking forward to trying her out in the more difficult missions while I train for Raven
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mrhateboy
Vale Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: SephiriotH Drake is useless without assault missiles and any caldari PvE ship is useless without shield booster , imo.
I know I had better luck with the lvl4s I was running in the drake when boosting instead of passively tanking. Having no extenders fitted makes a nig difference when it comes to torp damage.
I think I was using something to the effect of:
7 X Arbalest Heavy Launchers, 1 med nos(pretty sure this fit) 1 Med Shield booster II, 2 SBAs, Invuln II, 2 DMG spec Hardeners 2 X BCU II, 2 X DB PDU
I'm pretty sure that's what I was running, and I had no issues with it, except against Hoborak Moon on the last stage of Angel vengeance.
--H8
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Anders Chydenius
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:42:00 -
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My standard drake setup for 3s and 4s 7x Arbalest Heavy Launcher 1x Drone Link Augmentor ---- 3x Active Hardeners 3x Large Shield Extender II ---- 2x Shield Power Relay 2x Ballistic Control II ---- 3x extender rigs
25368 Shield 600sec recharge
If you play games with your extenders and lowslots, you can get up to around 32k shields and ~500 sec recharge, which gives you a very tough tank, but crappy dps. OK for 4s if you have someone else there to kill things.
I've lost one drake doing 4s, but I made over 200m before I did, so it's a wash. ------ {o,o} (__(| -"-"- EVEMon - The open source Jamaican wiseman. |
Gorjer
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Posted - 2007.01.11 16:19:00 -
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*7x heavy launcher 2's - *2x shield extender 2's *10mn burner *Shield recharger 2 *2 harderns of choice - *3 SPR *1 BCU 2
I have over 13000 shield with a recharge rate of around 350 seconds. Tbh this is a crappy setup, it looks good on paper - but the sig radius is too much even with 2 LSE2's on, how people are fitting 3 and taking i dont know?
Anyway, defo drop heavy launcher 2's and put 'arb's' on. Im used to a cerb that has range, so i recently found how sucky fury missles are without range bonuses, it means you have to get right in there. I'm gonna go for an active tank now with a cap injector 1 'regolith' LSE and a shield booster 2. Then have 3 BCU 2's on the low so i can actually kill something.
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