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Thanatar Thed
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Posted - 2003.11.27 23:00:00 -
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I don't wanna **** on anyone's parade here.
BUT ....
Seeing as this has turned into an American history post. Here's a little know fact about native Americans ...
Despite the image of being eco-friendly they in fact burned down the largest forest that's ever been so they could hunt buffalo on the open plains.
I'm not trying to slag anyone off but I just thought I'de share that with you.
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2003.11.27 23:21:00 -
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So I guess they were against Pirates...
But not slavery and murder
HAHA! So America had slaves for what? 300 years?
The Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Monglolians, and many MANY other societies enslaved every other nation they gained control of. When you spit on America don't forget all the Europian and Asian countries that practiced it far more efficiently than the Ameracans did.
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Jayad
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Posted - 2003.11.28 00:12:00 -
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Have a good one America, Keep faith in the world.
UK, Southampton
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Kerry
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Posted - 2003.11.28 00:12:00 -
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I don't wanna **** on anyone's parade here.
BUT ....
Seeing as this has turned into an American history post. Here's a little know fact about native Americans ...
Despite the image of being eco-friendly they in fact burned down the largest forest that's ever been so they could hunt buffalo on the open plains.
I'm not trying to slag anyone off but I just thought I'de share that with you.
Were you there?
Or are you regurgitating book or school taught smut?
As for lame atempt at slandering native americans eco savy..., fire is by far natures best and most pure eco system.
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Aethelgrin
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Posted - 2003.11.28 00:16:00 -
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Thanksgiving is just a glorified harvest festival. That's why Canada does it in early October.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2003.11.28 00:56:00 -
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Thanks giving...
Whats that then?
Never selebrated anything called thanks giving and never seen any reason to.
Please do have a nice dinner with your families, who knows when you all get drafted.
Just one question, why turkey?
Its booring meat.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.11.28 01:31:00 -
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have a good holiday everyone |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.28 02:00:00 -
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HAHA! So America had slaves for what? 300 years?
The comment was presumably about the hypocrisy, not the slavery itself. It does kind of smell to hear about the Pilgrim Father's desire to create a better, purer, more noble world, when the Mayflower's second trip across the Atlantic was with a cargo hold full of slaves to do their bidding for them.
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Jake Pliskin
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Posted - 2003.11.28 03:27:00 -
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no thanksgiving in the Uk,
but happy thanksgiving for those over the other side of the pond.
Yoko Ono's Thanksgiving Message
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2003.11.28 05:53:00 -
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So I guess they were against Pirates...
But not slavery and murder
HAHA! So America had slaves for what? 300 years?
The Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Monglolians, and many MANY other societies enslaved every other nation they gained control of. When you spit on America don't forget all the Europian and Asian countries that practiced it far more efficiently than the Ameracans did.
Very true indeed - most countries have their little black sheep part of history. BUT;
Europe; free of slavery since the fall of the Roman Empire.
On a sidenote; Egypt is in Africa, neither Asia nor Europe
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.11.28 08:59:00 -
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Hm, well I wasn't refering to anyone going to their local mall to pick up a survival book but to common sense, if you're cityfolk not knowing much about the land you might want to bring someone who does or learn from him before hand, it's called planning ahead.
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Attila
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Posted - 2003.11.28 09:19:00 -
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Well, what started out as a simple wish of good-will, has ended up as a platform for everyone to spout their little fact-oids of knowledge. Sheeesh. I am American in the US Air Force, and I am currently in Afghanistan. (In fact I'll be here through Christams as well) Yesterday, we celebrated Thanksgiving here with the traditional meal. In fact, joining us in our "American" holiday were Brits, Kiwis, South Koreans, Romanians, Canadians, Afghanis and Italians. We all had good food, and a good time and then went back to the Flightline, Guard Tower or mountain patrol where we work. I wish I could be with my family, but I'll celebrate any holiday with these new friends of different nationalities anytime. Peace.
ps: I am having withdrawls from NO EVE!!! Mate is training characters in my absence, heheh: Gallente Indy lvl 5 WOOHOOO!!
"Keep the Smak low, and the ROF high"
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nails
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Posted - 2003.11.28 10:21:00 -
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I spent thanksgiving sick as a dog, I think I had a bowl of soup for the days meal. The timing of be being sick has always been lame, why can't I get sick during a day I actually work?
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.11.28 10:23:00 -
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Psuedoanalysis say that you're too wound up to take the time to feel that you're sick when you're working, when free the pent up sickness can finally be felt. Fortunecookie coroborates the story.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.28 11:01:00 -
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Europe; free of slavery since the fall of the Roman Empire.
In name only. Slavery wasn't outlawed in the UK until 1827, and it was (as far as I know, and feel free to correct me) the first European country to do so; between the fall of the Roman Empire and well into the middle ages, there were few or no people technically labelled as slaves in the UK, but there were a hell of a lot of people who had to work for their Lord of the Manor at no charge, or else starve to death because they wouldn't be allowed to work their own land.
I think it's safe to say that every country in the world has its fair share of skeletons in the closet, and associated hypocrisy about picking on everybody else's skeletons. It just so happens that this thread was about something American, so they get picked on today. 
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Thanatar Thed
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Posted - 2003.11.28 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Thanatar Thed on 28/11/2003 11:23:51
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I don't wanna **** on anyone's parade here.
BUT ....
Seeing as this has turned into an American history post. Here's a little know fact about native Americans ...
Despite the image of being eco-friendly they in fact burned down the largest forest that's ever been so they could hunt buffalo on the open plains.
I'm not trying to slag anyone off but I just thought I'de share that with you.
Were you there?
Or are you regurgitating book or school taught smut?
As for lame atempt at slandering native americans eco savy..., fire is by far natures best and most pure eco system.
No. I wasn't there but if the sum of my knowledge was everything I'de experienced myself I'de be pretty stupid.
It aint theoretical science that proves these things. Ancient native American art shows them hunting buffalo in thick forest and I suppose you can dig and find evidence of trees and other plants.
I'm not saying I'm some sort of eco-angel (you should the ammount of packaging I throw out every week) just trying to dispel one myth about native Americans.
BACK ON TOPIC ...
It's got to be a good thing when people sit around and have a good time, eat well and hopefully realise how lucky they are while they're gourging themselves.
It would probably be a good time to think about people who don't have much to give thanks for and push the people who can to develop some sort of political will to help the starving on this planet. The problem isn't a lack of food, it's a lack of will to do anything about the problem
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2003.11.28 12:33:00 -
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Now im curious, the native americans burnt down the forests to hunt buffalo on the plains.
Where is this huge forest suposed to have been?
When did they burn it down?
What evidence is there to suport there was a forest there?
What indian tribe, tribes did this?
Where can I find any information on this deleafing campain?
Im sorry but to me it just sounds like so much hogwash, I meen why would they want to torch an entire forest?
Humans only do things because they think it will work to their benefit, how would burning down everything work to their benefit?
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.11.28 12:41:00 -
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"But not slavery and murder"
Just remember who was actually doing the enslaving and murdering at the time, it all started in Europe. The Idea of slavery and slave trade certainly did not start here.
And besides, at what point in time did those European settlers become the mean and nasty Americans everyone so despises???
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.11.28 12:47:00 -
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...there were few or no people technically labelled as slaves in the UK, but there were a hell of a lot of people who had to work for their Lord of the Manor at no charge, or else starve to death because they wouldn't be allowed to work their own land.
Well into the 20th century in some places, some still may consider the current McJobs to be cruel McJokes when compared to the fortrightness of the slave masters.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2003.11.28 12:59:00 -
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Actually Whitedwarf, slavery was not invented by europe, remember those big stone things in egypt? Well the people who built them used slaves and egypt is not a part of europe.
Then lets take a look at Asia, Asia has been way ahead of the west during most of history, we in the west actually only caught up somwhere after 1700AD, guess what, they have used slaves too.
Now then is slavery right?
No ofcorce not, we have outgrown slavery... well not Amarr but their empire will soon fall under the liberation forces of the great Minmatar republic!
History is simply somthing we have to live with, if you asked an american, roman, egyptian or even swede (yes we have had slaves too) from the era when they used slaves if slavery was right then most would say yes, even the slaves would say yes.
Today however we have decided it is moraly wrong and I agree with that.
As for when the people sent to the US turned from lovely europeeans to hated yanks... firstly, in the early days there werent many lovely europeeans leaving for the US, mainly they were religious fanatics and prisoners.
Later with the imigration boom alot of "as good as europeeans get" people moved across the pond.
And then the US started messing with other peoples countries, mainly after the second world war, suporting terrorists, underblowing elected goverments, black op assassinations and so on. Your we are the best and can kick anyones a** attitude isnt helping either, it dosnt matter wether its true or not, its not geting you any friends.
On a personal note I can say I loke americans, most US citizens I have met have been nice people, fun to be around and to know, I do however not agree with your foreign policies but living in a democracy I have the right to that opinion :)
I hope your turkey was tasty, I still think turkey is dull meat but each to his own, a tradition is a tradition :)
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Olag Gan
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Posted - 2003.11.28 13:06:00 -
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Just remember who was actually doing the enslaving and murdering at the time, it all started in Europe. The Idea of slavery and slave trade certainly did not start here.
No, but America was still practising slavery LONG after most 'civilized' nations had abolished it - and it took a civil war to finally do it!
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And besides, at what point in time did those European settlers become the mean and nasty Americans everyone so despises???
1783?
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Ardanwen
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Posted - 2003.11.28 13:17:00 -
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but there were a hell of a lot of people who had to work for their Lord of the Manor at no charge, or else starve to death because they wouldn't be allowed to work their own land.
Thats not slavery, thats capitalism :)
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.11.28 15:49:00 -
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Orestes please lock this thread. It got way out of control.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.28 17:19:00 -
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Im sorry but to me it just sounds like so much hogwash, I meen why would they want to torch an entire forest?
Humans only do things because they think it will work to their benefit, how would burning down everything work to their benefit?
It wouldn't, as you know perfectly well. The point is, they *thought* it would: get rid of all the trees and it's easier to hunt things because there are no trees in the way. It was only after the event that they found out they'd turned huge chunks of land into dust bowls.
A footnote in {I}The Science of Discworld II carefully points out: "Always be careful of the twentieth-century 'story' of 'the natives who live in harmony with their environment.' It tends to gloss over the fact that back in history they killed off most of the really big animals, and now it's a choice between harmony and death.' They don't give a bibliography of where to read about the evidence for this, but being written by highly respected and competent scientists I'm willing to take what they say on trust. If you aren't, do a spot of research and you'll find the evidence without much trouble.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.28 17:20:00 -
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No, but America was still practising slavery LONG after most 'civilized' nations had abolished it - and it took a civil war to finally do it!
36 years is not LONG, by any standards.
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.11.28 17:29:00 -
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ORESTES LOCK THIS ******* THREAD AND DELETE IS PLEASE!!!!!
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Soolin
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Posted - 2003.11.28 17:32:00 -
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No, but America was still practising slavery LONG after most 'civilized' nations had abolished it - and it took a civil war to finally do it!
36 years is not LONG, by any standards.
36 years is an eternity if you're a slave!
Incidently, Brazil still had 1.5 million slaves right up until 1888. So America wasn't the last.
And I agree... please end this thread. 
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.11.28 18:34:00 -
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Jesus F'n Christ I try to tell everyone to have a nice holiday and the thread turns into a political slavery issue!!! Get a grip and Happy F'n Holidays!!!!
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.11.28 22:04:00 -
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BTW Orestes you suck for not closing this thread.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2003.11.28 22:09:00 -
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Soz =|
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