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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.15 20:17:45 -
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To all the people thinking that this is not different from the Character Bazaar - think about what you can do with 50, or even just 20M SP, if you are specializing.
- Make X accounts through the Power of Two program, where X is however many you can/want to afford.
- Create characters and put in +5s into each of them
- Train them for half a year
- Harvest (extract) and combine them all into one
- Keep the harvesting accounts for further SP production.
Do that for each Character slot on your account to have a Super Alt, a PvP alt and a Perfect Production alt.Because you can make them pitch-perfect, they all will fit easily into the 50M, so turnaround rates will be 80% at worst, SP wise. On top of that, all three of them are perfectly clean with no history whatsoever.
That way, you can create perfect characters at multiple times the speed the character bazaar can, because the character bazaar can still only create characters at 2000SP/h or whatever the theoretical maximum is.
Yes, it's expensive if it's to be effective, but that's the whole point of a P2W game, right? |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:06:31 -
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Yep. If lore-wise "skill points" are just data in the first place anyway, why not write the data directly, copy it a bajillion times and sell it to everyone.
Not that I think the lore should limit game mechanics, but anything to keep this from happening is fine with me.
Again, for the "how is this different from the character bazaar"-crowd:
1. Make 5 alts. Train them at Maximim SP/h, the skills you train don't matter. Just go for spaceship command skills, no need to respec.
2. Transfer it all to one Charakter until he hits 50M
That way you can effectively train more than 4 times as fast as you normally would and no, those SP are not being taken out of the game, but created just for the purpose. People are already creating alts just for the CB, and they will do that as well for that new Extraction bullshit, only that this time, turnaround times are much quicker. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
370
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:12:41 -
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Querns wrote:Make 5 alts. Train them at maximum SP on a skill plan that is in-demand. Sell them on the Character Bazaar. Use the proceeds to buy a character with the skills you want.
Exactly the same thing.
No, it's not. I want to create a Mothership alt. Training one would take what? a year - no idea.
Training 5 characters and transferring the SP would take 3 Months, and I don't even have to worry about market availability. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
370
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:22:21 -
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Querns wrote:Make 5 alts. Train them at maximum SP on a skill plan that is in-demand. Sell them on the Character Bazaar. Use the proceeds to buy a character with the skills you want.
Exactly the same thing
No, it would not. Yes, after x time you will have the same amount of skill points over all characters involved. However, with the new system you have that one character you need much quicker and exactly like you need it.
On the character bazaar you can only buy an alt, if one is available. It will more than likely not be perfect and you will have to compete with other potential buyers.
With the extractors, you just make it yourself. With 5 training accounts in 1/4 the time, with 10 in 1/8, beyond that it will probably be even quicker than looking for a suitable alt on the market. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
372
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:31:47 -
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Querns wrote:So, your argument is that the new system is a little more efficient than the character bazaar? That a small increase in efficiency is the straw that broke the camel's back?
Is this so hard to grasp?
If you are hungry - what's would you rather have? Seven pizzas next week, or one pizza right now. The new system would allow anyone with enough money in their bags exactly the characters the want in a very short time. Can you not see how that completely devalues the whole training and skillpoint progression thing? I am not a big fan of the CB, but I see how it helps keeping the E-Bay character trading at bay. But this new system is completely over the top.
Yes, it's more efficient, but you know what would be even more efficient? If everyone started out with every skill at 5. Efficiency is not always good in game mechanics. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
372
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:39:26 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:You seem to be assuming no cost to the extractors. There will be market competition for those as well. Probably more competition than seen on the bazaar for characters. Sure you can train those alts and transfer the SP to yourself, using an extractor for every 500/400/200/50k SP the recipient character will get out of them. But it will also only be for SP over 5 million on each of those alts, so there will always be a base of 5 million SP sitting on those alts that can never be removed.
I dunno. Until we know the value in Aurum for the extractors, and then try and determine the price on the markets as supply and demand goes to work, we have no idea how cost effective this will be for anyone. Let alone what any of it might mean for actual gameplay in EVE. Probably very little.
Buy extractors for Aurum (Which is real money)
Buy 10 new Accounts for PLEX (which is real money)
Start training those and have your very own Super in a month.
The only place where the market comes into play is when you buy the skillbooks, and they are NPC seeded.
Yes, it will probably be more expensive than buying a character from the CB, but that doesn't help. Or would you say, that P2W is less terrible if it's just expensive enough? |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
373
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:47:03 -
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Querns wrote:
You have to bootstrap the bastards with 5m SP in order to start harvesting them. You've grossly underestimated the startup cost.
So, pay to win is okay if it's *grossly* expensive then?
The new accounts will come with a month of trial time and a plex through the Power of Two system. That's 2 Months for free, which is about 4M SP per character. So - no, I don't think I have grossly overestimated the startup cost not that it matters anyway. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
373
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:55:29 -
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Querns wrote:So, pay to win is okay if it's *grossly* expensive then?
The new accounts will come with a month of trial time and a plex through the Power of Two system. That's 2 Months for free, which is about 4M SP per character. So - no, I don't think I have grossly overestimated the startup cost not that it matters anyway.
You know what else was expensive? Buying characters on the Character Bazaar. Mostly rich folks did it.
Strange, then, that no one complains about this.[/quote]
Oh, As I said earlier, I don't like the CB either. But the CB being bad, doesn't mean they should make it even worse.
"Oh, caught a cold? Then you surely don't mind a bit of cancer either"
Yes, I do mind. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.20 07:44:30 -
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That is a very good idea, actually. Hmmm... |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2015.10.20 07:55:24 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:"You, renter scum, you will contribute to your protection by providing us with 5 million SP per month as tribute." which is different to "i'm going to spend your 3bn isk/month rental fee on skill points in jita. thanks guys."? if people ask for SP as payment you just buy it from the market - which is no different than just being flat out asked for a direct isk transfer, which is far less hassle.
Depends on what the market situation on those Packets will be. By asking the renters directly, one could make sure that SP Packets are being produced. |
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