You forget that us 'vets' had to go through the same grind as you are experiencing right now, so there is actually no unfairness on our part, it is all on your part.

I completely agree with the notion mentioned earlier that this paying for SP actually takes away from people actually ~playing the game~.

Your the idiot do you really think people know me by my real name ...were working with entities . You buy an entity that is a huge difference between buying skills.

You buy a rap sheet and you have to live with the consequences...that's the eve i know ...

I have a question for ALL people that say this is a bad idea...


--- WHAT EFFECT WOULD IT HAVE ON YOU AS A PILOT IF THIS WOULD ACTUALLY GO LIVE? ---


There is already an option to buy 0-200m SP characters... Character Bazaar - (Thats Pay2Win if you look at it that way)

One reason why the Character Bazaar and the SP booster plan are critically different: Intel.

Right now, with the way that skills work, you can generally get a rough idea of what the character might be capable of based on their age and corp history. If they're 5 years old, but their corp history is dotted with NPC corps taking up half the time, and their killboards don't show any activity during those times, you can generally guess that they only have about 2.5 years'-worth of SP despite being five years old. Additionally, you can gauge how well they might be able to fight based on their corp history, as somebody who has been in and out of the game is going to probably be less-skilled than someone with less age, but more "dedication" / "consecutive play."

If you see a char that's a year old and had been sold on the Bazaar, you still see that the char has about a year's-worth of SP and what skills they have (based on the Bazaar listing).

Looking at available information, you can make a reasonable guess at what sort of skills and abilities a pilot has.

With SP packs, that goes out the window.

Before, when you saw a month-old NPC char on the battlefield, you knew that they were a month-old char and could estimate their skills based on that. Now, you'll see that month-old char, and instead of the question being "are they a newbie or a vet laying a trap?" you'll have to add "If it's a vet, how much SP have they boosted?"

The same goes for year-old chars. For five-year-old chars. Even for ten-year-old chars, because you have no way of knowing if they took SP out and got rid of it or used it for other skills.

Where before you had an imperfect way to make an imperfect guess at a character's capabilities (something that takes a bit of skill and sleuthing to do well), you're now left with absolutely nothing. No amount of game knowledge is going to give you an idea about what those pilots are capable of until you actually engage. It removes an element of planning and thought without giving anything back in its place.

No don't do this, not in any form or way. Stop now.

Lemme throw this right back at you ...I had to wait 6 years to get my character trained up to be 145 mil sp do you think it fair that you would be able to achieve that by just buying sp and whalla ?

For people quitting in protest I remind them that Operation Magic School Bus does accept donations to help out the new players. Yes, this is a 'can I haz' post but it is one where the material will be put to good use, not just lining a wallet or hanger. Contract to me if you wish to donate.

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200Gé¼ for 145 SP, which are 6 years and several billion isk - so let's say ~ 1500Gé¼ in subscription alone + at least 10.000Gé¼ in ISK (if done the math converted back over PLEX price to RL money )

So spend ~12000Gé¼ not 100.

Thats a big difference because EVE is build by patiences and time and the social structure that develops in your corp and alliances etc.

You SIR are still in an n00b corp. Guess if you have tomorrow that 145m SP ? I and many other I know would not except you in that corps, for the next few years.

No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach.

This argument is also disingenuous,

There is a fixed number of character slots per account, and managing an increasing number of accounts becomes increasingly annoying/problematic.

Practically speaking, If I want to fly Sleipnirs TODAY on my main, buying an extra character wouldn't be my solution. But with this system? Let's run some incursions for that dank sp!

To all you Yay Sayers ...coming from a bitter vet the answer is NO. You want to know why it is NO. Because we said so. The only people carrying eve are the old bitter vets..and you know what if we say NO its means Fucken..NO

Do you idiots really for one minute think after this thread that CCP would implement this hmmm ?

I will pull all 5 active acounts with out blinking an eye if this crap hits TQ..now **** off and go and earn your way into Eve.

The only people carrying eve are the old bitter vets..

You are sitting on your char, the char you created and like. Suddenly FCs come with a new fleet ideia

You need to fly Machariels

You look into your char and think. damn 34 days for me to be able to fly those

You can always buy a char ofc but on your char .... nope

Now with this you can simply go and buy the skillpoints you need, place it on your char ... you can fly a machariel

Pay To Win

Train over 9000 accounts for a month and sell SP to your main

Or rich players can just gift game time to the characters in question. Sat in stations with +5's to farm SP. This will favour rich players far more.

Even worse he didn't read the post.

There's a big difference between an 80M SP char and a 200+M SP char.

This is a terrible idea.

Newer players who want to get ahead in the game can use the character bazaar to get a toon. Evidence of it changing hands is in the forums for all to see, so the disingenuous claptrap about bad rep does not hold water.

Losing the ability to gauge from the age of a character his potential skills will ruin various balances within the game, and will be very horrible for pirates, solo pvpers etc

Have you heard of "street sleepers"? these are super tuned cars which look to all intents and purposes like the standard vehicle that granny uses to run down to the supermarket to buy milk and cat-food. underneath however, they are turbocharged nutters. That's what you are proposing to create.

This is clearly a cash cow, and whilst we don't mind ccp having cash cows to milk, please bear in mind that we are already in the shed every month with our udders out.

Here is my alternative suggestion.

Have your SP reallocators, by all means, but make them only work for the toon the SPs are extracted from.
Give them a delay (24 hrs?) so that you cant fly into the station a maxxed out BS pilot, and undock as a maxxed out carrier pilot 2 mins later.
I'd happily take a 5-1 loss in the exchange rate to get rid of some of the more ******** things I've changed and to gain a small boost on some skills I would still like to gain.

Permit changes of this nature by all means, but don't create the ability for the already super rich and Highly skilled pilots to rattle up to 500m SPs within a month of the change. Likewise don't create the game breaking situation where a two month old character can be able to fly every sup-cap in the game to maximum proficiency, just because he has RL isk to burn, and wants to create a "street sleeper".

If this goes ahead, I for one will finally say enough already, and bid farewell to eve, and hello to one of the other games which are rapidly making steps ahead, such as Elite Dangerous, or Star Citizen. I'll wish you luck, and I won't look back.

clearly you misunderstand, Let me spell it out to you. - A six week old player might choose not to engage a 10 year old player, for obvious reasons.

This change creates the situation where the money rich player can create a toon with the skills of a 10 year old player, that looks like a 2 month old player.

So my argument is entirely the converse to your assumption.

And when it comes to calling people coward.... who's the one in the NPC corp?

RL MONEY => PLEX => CHARACTER BAZAAR => 100M SP CHARACTER

RL MONEY => AUR => SKILLPOINT BOOST => 100M SP CHARACTER


Difference?

CHARACTERS BIRTH DATE
NO BAD CHARACTER HISTORY FOR SKILLPOINT BOOSTED CHARACTER.

Disagree? Why?

I have a question for ALL people that say this is a bad idea...


--- WHAT EFFECT WOULD IT HAVE ON YOU AS A PILOT IF THIS WOULD ACTUALLY GO LIVE? ---


There is already an option to buy 0-200m SP characters... Character Bazaar - (Thats Pay2Win if you look at it that way)

So this is what I will do if this horrible Idea actually makes it to TQ:

I will create x new accounts with the following character slot layout:

1) gank alt
2) gank / infiltration alt
3) SP farm

Since you can now create gank alts within 16min you can start the queue on the SP farm alt right away.

SP farm alt will work like this:

1) buy PLEX from market and add gametime
2) train SP at max efficiency
3) extract and sell the SP
4) => 1)

This will start to simply produce ISK after ~2 months. From this point onwards you will have as many free alts as you want no matter the PLEX price, since the SP you produce by consuming this PLEX will always sell for more than they cost to produce this way.

Welcome to the age of effortless endless free gank alts which will even fill your wallet with the excess money they produce. So no more waiting for 15min after a gank, you just switch to a new alt in your pool or scale your fleet to as much DPS is required for the kill.

I know you could do this with the bazzar in theory, but it involves a lot more effort to actually sell those toons, which makes it impractical.

RIP PLEX prices, sorry

I am starting to like this idea after all.

A single PLEX can take a new player up to 5 million SP or so and leave them with 300-400 million ISK in their wallet.

That statement really sums up this whole **** up

Why? There is a lot of people that have lots of money (in real life). New players (not as lucky) will need to play years to get there where those who are millionaires (in real life) will lough and destroy the gameplay for others...

Just a simple reasoning...

There is a lot of people that have lots of money (in real life). New players (not as lucky) will need to play years to get there where those who are millionaires (in real life) will laugh and destroy the gameplay for others...

Lucas Starwalker

When I started this game there was a note that selling or giving your character to someone else is prohibited. That should be honoured and anyone who's doing anything like that should be destroyed in the game. Easy...

It's sad to see the overreactions in this thread. I'm very impressed with this feature - it's a clever, elegant addition to the game. It takes an arcane and obscure process (trading characters via the forum), and adds depth to the game by creating a new market.

People were already taking advantages of PLEX deals and referral bonuses to start accounts and use them to "grow" characters to sell on the bazaar. This approach just makes that process more approachable and accessible to the majority of players. I really like the idea of being able to trade skill points without having to also trade a character's identity, or get some value out of the skill points I have but no longer want.

The process is totally driven through the player market. You already needed plex to trade characters, anyway. Obviously, they need to balance the details so that trading skillpoints isn't prohibitively expensive, but even if they get it wrong it just means no one will use the feature until they fix it.

Honestly, I think this is the kind of progressive thinking we should be encouraging from CCP.