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StarFleetCommander
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:19:07 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Excepting, SFC, that PIE made an announcement that as a corp it was abstaining from declaring support for an heir.
The basic idea, remember, isn't that this is an alliance tournament or even a corporate tournament, but about individual combat.
AmarrTournament1o1, Morlag's talking about PIE.
its 4v4? |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1566
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:19:57 -
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AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:Morwen Lagann wrote:You seem so shocked that a group of Amarr loyalist roleplayers with about a dozen years of constant dedicated effort towards serving their faction, even before FW was a thing, have successfully applied to help usher in one of the most significant changes to the future of their faction in years, when it was clearly stated from the outset that the Heirs would be involved in the selection of the champions.
Heirs, as in the in-universe, in-character entities. Making decisions as they would, as individuals, within the universe of New Eden. Some of them chose to risk selecting mercenaries with no real demonstration of loyalty to their cause or to the Empire. And some chose to hedge their bets on captains they did not feel were corruptible by ISK or other factors.
It's not favoritism from CCP. It's characters within the game universe acting according to their beliefs.
And given that those characters happen to be Amarrian, it is a little ignorant to expect them to not look at people who have consistently displayed their loyalty more favorably than those who have not. So you're calling PL loyalist towards amarr?:D LAWL You do realise CVA had applications in and guess what THEY DIDN'T GET IN!?!? The biggest amarrian "RP" Entity didn't get in? wtf ill due process is this shiet?
No, you moron, I'm calling PIE loyalists.
I was actually referring to PL's entrants in particular when I used the word "mercenaries," based on the alliance's actions over the years.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
1409
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:20:39 -
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JubbadahuT wrote:This is the biggest bullshit i have ever seen...we tryed to push our standings...made vidoes...
3 PL teams....you are the ****....
Yo I ran close to 400 level 4 missions to get my standings near maxed, read every chronicle, re-read the Empyrean Age, started a war on the RP forum, attended several in-game RP events (which I can say for certain none of you people did), captured a station, and dropped about 10k AUR on Sarum skins and dank Amarr hats. I took "try hard" to its limits.
Your corp members post was nice and the video was neat, but it wasn't a PvP video (part of the requirements for entry). You dubbed an Eve trailer. Everyone else in that house who was selected submitted actual PvP videos.
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AmarrTournament1o1
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:26:46 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:Morwen Lagann wrote:You seem so shocked that a group of Amarr loyalist roleplayers with about a dozen years of constant dedicated effort towards serving their faction, even before FW was a thing, have successfully applied to help usher in one of the most significant changes to the future of their faction in years, when it was clearly stated from the outset that the Heirs would be involved in the selection of the champions.
Heirs, as in the in-universe, in-character entities. Making decisions as they would, as individuals, within the universe of New Eden. Some of them chose to risk selecting mercenaries with no real demonstration of loyalty to their cause or to the Empire. And some chose to hedge their bets on captains they did not feel were corruptible by ISK or other factors.
It's not favoritism from CCP. It's characters within the game universe acting according to their beliefs.
And given that those characters happen to be Amarrian, it is a little ignorant to expect them to not look at people who have consistently displayed their loyalty more favorably than those who have not. So you're calling PL loyalist towards amarr?:D LAWL You do realise CVA had applications in and guess what THEY DIDN'T GET IN!?!? The biggest amarrian "RP" Entity didn't get in? wtf ill due process is this shiet? No, you moron, I'm calling PIE loyalists. I was actually referring to PL's entrants in particular when I used the word "mercenaries," based on the alliance's actions over the years.
But then you're supporting exactly the issue we are refering too! |
Tzuko1
FREE GATES FREE GATES COALITION
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:27:42 -
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Just to be fair, i expected something different. Most teams have a lot experience in AT envirement. Its nice to be a loyal amarrian but in eve it shouldnt count that much. Also that loyal to amarr aliance can play in here, but it seems to me there is no competition to the PL teams. It will most likely end up a free ticket to elise and some other PL guys (PL vs PL final).
So overall im unhappy that AT experience doesnt matter in a close envirement to that and the fact , that being loyal in paper count more.
I would have seen more ATers and ther would be a lot more space for that if u not picking too much from the same group. I feel its unfair. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:27:42 -
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Christ, Elise, you went all in. I wouldn't wish a re-read of Empyrean Age on anyone.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
412
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:31:11 -
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Tzuko1 wrote:Just to be fair, i expected something different. Most teams have a lot experience in AT envirement. Its nice to be a loyal amarrian but in eve it shouldnt count that much. Also that loyal to amarr aliance can play in here, but it seems to me there is no competition to the PL teams. It will most likely end up a free ticket to elise and some other PL guys (PL vs PL final).
So overall im unhappy that AT experience doesnt matter in a close envirement to that and the fact , that being loyal in paper count more.
I would have seen more ATers and ther would be a lot more space for that if u not picking too much from the same group. I feel its unfair.
There's lots of competition, let's not forget Chessur's Warlords of the Deep team :P Exodus have a team, Triumvirate have teams, The Bastards, Hard Knocks.. |
AmarrTournament1o1
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:31:47 -
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Tzuko1 wrote:Just to be fair, i expected something different. Most teams have a lot experience in AT envirement. Its nice to be a loyal amarrian but in eve it shouldnt count that much. Also that loyal to amarr aliance can play in here, but it seems to me there is no competition to the PL teams. It will most likely end up a free ticket to elise and some other PL guys (PL vs PL final).
So overall im unhappy that AT experience doesnt matter in a close envirement to that and the fact , that being loyal in paper count more.
I would have seen more ATers and ther would be a lot more space for that if u not picking too much from the same group. I feel its unfair.
Exactly there were applications from 4-5 other experienced Alliance Tournament teams, but CCP wanted 3x PL 4x PIE 2x Test 3xPFR |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2442
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:34:48 -
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Elise Randolph wrote:Your corp members post was nice and the video was neat, but it wasn't a PvP video (part of the requirements for entry). You dubbed an Eve trailer. Everyone else in that house who was selected submitted actual PvP videos.
This.
Any application that didn't post a combat video was probably ignored outright for not meeting the requirements. And there were a lot of people who didn't.
From the Dev Blog:
Quote:Applications must include:
... A video showcasing your skills in combat. Use of Amarr ships and fighting in small gang/solo scenarios are recommended, but not required. Note that the video does not need to be from an IC perspective. ...
Anyone who failed to follow the requirements has no one to blame but themselves.
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
"Reclaim our Empire"
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
412
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:37:35 -
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I don't think CCP wanted 3 PL teams, they were just being (mostly) fair about selecting based on merit and quality of application.
I'm actually pretty sure they rejected both the 4th and 5th best applications to Ardishapur simply because the applicants were PL , one of the teams they let in there didn't even have a video. |
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AmarrTournament1o1
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:38:31 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:I don't think CCP wanted 3 PL teams, they were just being (mostly) fair about selecting based on merit and quality of application.
I'm actually pretty sure they rejected both the 4th and 5th best applications to Ardishapur simply because the applicants were PL , one of the teams they let in there didn't even have a video.
But then what about 4 PIE teams 2 test teams 2-3 PFR teams etc.?
why not choose others ?? |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1571
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:39:22 -
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AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:But then you're supporting exactly the issue we are refering too! I don't see any issue here.
Characters in a game universe acted like characters in a game universe. As they should, and as it was stated they would in the devblogs and announcement threads. This is all I've got left to say to you.
Tzuko1 wrote:Just to be fair, i expected something different. Most teams have a lot experience in AT envirement. Its nice to be a loyal amarrian but in eve it shouldnt count that much. Also that loyal to amarr aliance can play in here, but it seems to me there is no competition to the PL teams. It will most likely end up a free ticket to elise and some other PL guys (PL vs PL final).
So overall im unhappy that AT experience doesnt matter in a close envirement to that and the fact , that being loyal in paper count more.
I would have seen more ATers and ther would be a lot more space for that if u not picking too much from the same group. I feel its unfair.
As I said in my longer post above, loyalty counts for a whole lot, and CCP said as much from the outset, as did several of the Stewards for the more picky Heirs in their application threads. The selection of Captains was done by the characters of the Heirs. They were picked according to the guidelines that each Heir had their Steward outline, as well as the internal biases of each of the Heirs themselves. Some Heirs would be fine with having mercenaries and non-loyalists flying under their name. They'd consider that a good investment. And some would not, and they would prefer to load their options with people they know to be loyal to their cause. If you don't like it, you too can reference my link for AT1o1.
Furthermore, calling 12 years of constant, dedicated service from groups like PIE "being loyal in paper" is an incredibly insulting and ignorant thing to say. PIE, both as a corp and an alliance, are the definition of loyalist in word and in deed as far as New Eden is concerned.
Makoto Priano wrote:Christ, Elise, you went all in. I wouldn't wish a re-read of Empyrean Age on anyone. Yeah, he did. We were at one of those events together and I regret not going over to chat IC.
I also would not wish such a re-read on anyone either.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:40:10 -
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I think they just chose the best applications for the most part, simple as that |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1571
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:43:33 -
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I don't disagree with that at all. I think some people are just having trouble comprehending that the definition of "the best applications" wasn't necessarily being made on an out-of-character basis, and that it was being done in-character.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
416
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:44:59 -
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Yeah I mean a good application would've taken everything you said into account.
(My last post was in response to AmarrTournament1o1) |
Annie Gardet
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
8
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:45:05 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:I think they just chose the best applications for the most part, simple as that Let's be honest for a minute please. http://puu.sh/kMvsS/46d318db39.png
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4RQIhGLg_o https://zkillboard.com/character/94775260/ |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
416
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:46:13 -
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Haha well Sarum didn't have very many applications, I can't really say whether that one was top 4 or not since I haven't gone over them :) |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1148
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:47:34 -
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In the name of the Empire, non-RP scrubs will STFU now. |
AmarrTournament1o1
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:50:05 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Elise Randolph wrote:Your corp members post was nice and the video was neat, but it wasn't a PvP video (part of the requirements for entry). You dubbed an Eve trailer. Everyone else in that house who was selected submitted actual PvP videos. This. Any application that didn't post a combat video was probably ignored outright for not meeting the requirements. And there were a lot of people who didn't. From the Dev Blog: Quote:Applications must include:
... A video showcasing your skills in combat. Use of Amarr ships and fighting in small gang/solo scenarios are recommended, but not required. Note that the video does not need to be from an IC perspective. ... Anyone who failed to follow the requirements has no one to blame but themselves.
Please don't edite quote you scrub
the text goes
Quote:A video showcasing your skills in combat. Use of Amarr ships and fighting in small gang/solo scenarios are recommended, but not required. Note that the video does not need to be from an IC perspective. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
419
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:51:41 -
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Yeah briefly looking over the Sarum applications I think you're right and that shouldn't be top 4 However we can't see if he aced this part, maybe that's what made the difference;
"those with an extensive record of service to the Throne, with high standings toward organizations within in the Imperial Military will be of highest consideration, including long service with the 24th Imperial Crusade, and high standing with the Amarr Navy and Ministry of War."
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AmarrTournament1o1
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:55:12 -
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AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Elise Randolph wrote:Your corp members post was nice and the video was neat, but it wasn't a PvP video (part of the requirements for entry). You dubbed an Eve trailer. Everyone else in that house who was selected submitted actual PvP videos. This. Any application that didn't post a combat video was probably ignored outright for not meeting the requirements. And there were a lot of people who didn't. From the Dev Blog: Quote:Applications must include:
... A video showcasing your skills in combat. Use of Amarr ships and fighting in small gang/solo scenarios are recommended, but not required. Note that the video does not need to be from an IC perspective. ... Anyone who failed to follow the requirements has no one to blame but themselves. Please don't edit quotes you scrub the text goes Quote:A video showcasing your skills in combat. Use of Amarr ships and fighting in small gang/solo scenarios are recommended, but not required. Note that the video does not need to be from an IC perspective.
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Sibyyl
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
25742
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:56:51 -
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Hey OP, you conveniently avoided responding to Elise's callout post.
If you can't meet the requirements of the Heir, why do you think you should be chosen?
And I wish I could shout you out
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Sibyyl
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
25743
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:58:21 -
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Oh good Lord, you posted a video with a bunch of cutscenes.
Really?
And I wish I could shout you out
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
1052
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:03:55 -
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Why WOULDN'T PIE be picked a lot? 1. They are one of if not the oldest Amarr loyalist group which is RP points 2. more importantly, they do FW which lends itself to small gangs of small ships 3. equally as important, their SOP is to fly ONLY Amarr ships.
So people who specialize in Amarr Frigates are a natural choice for a tournament where you have to fly Amarr frigates. |
AmarrTournament1o1
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:05:57 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:Why WOULDN'T PIE be picked a lot? 1. They are one of if not the oldest Amarr loyalist group which is RP points 2. more importantly, they do FW which lends itself to small gangs of small ships 3. equally as important, their SOP is to fly ONLY Amarr ships.
So people who specialize in Amarr Frigates are a natural choice for a tournament where you have to fly Amarr frigates.
But again then why 2-3x PFR why 3x PL why 2x Test and 0 CVA?????? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
419
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:12:42 -
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Why would CVA even exist without PIE in it ? ;P |
AmarrTournament1o1
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:13:25 -
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Sibyyl wrote: Hey OP, you conveniently avoided responding to Elise's callout post.
If you can't meet the requirements of the Heir, why do you think you should be chosen?
Elise didn't call me out anywhere and if he did please enlighten me, He called out a guy from bikini something something. :) |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
308
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:18:23 -
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AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:Sibyyl wrote: Hey OP, you conveniently avoided responding to Elise's callout post.
If you can't meet the requirements of the Heir, why do you think you should be chosen?
Elise didn't call me out anywhere and if he did please enlighten me, He called out a guy from bikini something something. :) Here, I will quote it to you.
Elise Randolph wrote:Yo I ran close to 400 level 4 missions to get my standings near maxed, read every chronicle, re-read the Empyrean Age, started a war on the RP forum, attended several in-game RP events (which I can say for certain none of you people did), captured a station, and dropped about 10k AUR on Sarum skins and dank Amarr hats. I took "try hard" to its limits. Your corp members post was nice and the video was neat, but it wasn't a PvP video (part of the requirements for entry). You dubbed an Eve trailer. Everyone else in that house who was selected submitted actual PvP videos. This is an example of how the thing should be done properly. Time investment returns profits.
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Sibyyl
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
25744
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:19:34 -
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AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:Elise didn't call me out anywhere and if he did please enlighten me, He called out a guy from bikini something something. :)
I guess I couldn't tell because you're hiding behind an alt.
See how absurd this conversation is? Post with your main.
And I wish I could shout you out
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AmarrTournament1o1
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.10.16 19:23:18 -
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Sibyyl wrote:AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:Elise didn't call me out anywhere and if he did please enlighten me, He called out a guy from bikini something something. :) I guess I couldn't tell because you're hiding behind an alt. See how absurd this conversation is? Post with your main.
Hell no :P that would ruin all the mystery! |
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