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PreTender Amarr R0NIN Industrial THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.12.28 02:09:00 - [31] Originally by: snerdly Rebuttals: Pretender, might I ask how you know this? Looking at the killboard you ronin love talking about so much, I see one kill. And it's a goonfleet kill. Not RISE. try http://kb.eve-ronin.org not the old norad one __________________________ http://www.eve-extra.com http://www.eve-wiki.net
Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.12.28 04:19:00 - [32] Edited by: Hull Cleaver on 28/12/2006 04:23:08 Originally by: Liora Vahan I'd like to point out that RISE weren't formed with OR in mind. They held Cloud Ring at first, and were driven out by YouWhat with Outbreak support. They were driven out because 1/2 their numbers pulled their ships out and ran for EF-F where they have been ever since. Pretender mentions above that they have been sitting in the same spot for 3-4 months....this is absolutely true...they have worn out the seats in the ef-f and 3knk stations while all their POS have been replaced by RISE POS..... Its gotten so bad that I can slow boat my retreiver to GRNJ without getting targeted...I honestly thought you guys set me to blue...now I hear it because you are busy playing connect four online... Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.28 08:34:00 - [33] Edited by: Earthan on 28/12/2006 08:35:05 Originally by: Hull Cleaver Originally by: Earthan Originally by: Miss Overlord CHON ( ronin) have been shoved back into the border of syndicate and placid no longer any real force to contend with this is bull**** Ronin isnt shoved back , they are where they are cause they enjoy it.They got plenty of fights near , what they like. A comment from the peanut gallery? If memory serves me correctly Earthen, you have serious commitment issues. While you have successfully maintianed bonds with everyone involved, you always manage to move on unscathed while adding your uninformed comments. I am a resident of OR and see the goings on everyday. While I belive that Ronin has managed to hold some ground, They certainly don't have the presence they used to have. And Earthy and his amazing fire eaters have never poked his nose in here after leaving first Rise and Finally Ronin. I thought for a minute you would go back to Black Nova Corp and was suprised to hear you were starting your own corp...kudos... So please don't toss in your defensive opinion unless your ready to drag your peeps down here and get back to work Well mr Intel: I have never been in Ronin so not sure how could i leave it Taffe acutlayy was for a minute involved in the conflict , it was short term thing from start , but i got some nice kills nevetheless ( and i lost some also).I ahve paralyzed Rise ops around yz for 2 weeks if i remmber/ You havent seen it, cause porlly you havent been there yet so dont play mr know it all. As part of Breidablik im fighting Xellas/Horde and other BOB pets in Fountain wich i think its a far more reasonable way of spending your time and firepower.You guys paly up there instead of preperaing or thwowing what you can as we do against bob hegemony, BOB will come , kcik you out , install some pets.And im not sure if you are rdy as Norad to fight there outblobed for weeks , without poses. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.28 08:44:00 - [34] Edited by: Earthan on 28/12/2006 08:45:27 Originally by: Hull Cleaver Edited by: Hull Cleaver on 28/12/2006 04:23:08 Originally by: Liora Vahan I'd like to point out that RISE weren't formed with OR in mind. They held Cloud Ring at first, and were driven out by YouWhat with Outbreak support. They were driven out because 1/2 their numbers pulled their ships out and ran for EF-F where they have been ever since. Pretender mentions above that they have been sitting in the same spot for 3-4 months....this is absolutely true...they have worn out the seats in the ef-f and 3knk stations while all their POS have been replaced by RISE POS..... Its gotten so bad that I can slow boat my retreiver to GRNJ without getting targeted...I honestly thought you guys set me to blue...now I hear it because you are busy playing connect four online... Just be silent and dont talk about things you dont have any idea about. Im so sick about again dragging the Rise xzh history , this time i will copy it to a text file to paste next time. The poeple that ar eelft in Rise blocked preperations to make an allaince fund before Youwhat/Toxins striked. Most of Norad corps were instrumental in XZH defence.Most Norad corps wanted to leave Rise before seeing it wasnt waht we wanted and wont be, but stayed to fight longer. Greyc wich i was part of had 100% of members in xzh, fighting everyime they were online.You can check it on killboard.No acess?oh what a shame.You could compare the kills on xzh/youwhat conflict, counting ships only from CR area and compare corps numbers. Hull you love Rise?cool stay with them and have fun.But stop talking about past you dont have any idea. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Manc Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.12.28 10:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Hull Cleaver Edited by: Hull Cleaver on 28/12/2006 04:23:08 Originally by: Liora Vahan I'd like to point out that RISE weren't formed with OR in mind. They held Cloud Ring at first, and were driven out by YouWhat with Outbreak support. They were driven out because 1/2 their numbers pulled their ships out and ran for EF-F where they have been ever since. Pretender mentions above that they have been sitting in the same spot for 3-4 months....this is absolutely true...they have worn out the seats in the ef-f and 3knk stations while all their POS have been replaced by RISE POS..... Its gotten so bad that I can slow boat my retreiver to GRNJ without getting targeted...I honestly thought you guys set me to blue...now I hear it because you are busy playing connect four online... The correct Kill board link has been posted with the figures for everyone to see yet you still insist on spouting you own pathetic version of events. If you're a 3rd shift alt then you might not of seen Ronin in your part of OR/Synd as we are 99% EU, something you are well aware of, but the kills are there for you to read, surely your pilots have been posting there losses on your boards too. Rise are you not embarrassed by what your people are posting here ? I would be if a Ronin posted such BS that can easily be disproved just by clicking on a kill board link !!
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.12.28 12:00:00 - [36] Can anyone post the link to the RISE killboard please? I listen they show their kills and not losses only? http://pietschmann.it/tmp/footer/gfooter.php/3/Shyra%20Storm/gfooter.png Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Nalrath Tolahnia GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.28 12:15:00 - [37] maarud, OR probably has as much a rich and interesting history as any of the other 'outer' regions of Eve, of course every man and his sheep who has spent any time in the area will have an opinion (having spent the better part of 2 years in and around OR i have a very biased view, as anyone would having spent that much time in one place). Your not going to get a straight answer from anyone about whats gone on, is going on, needless to say ill sum up the more obvious points. NORAD held OR/CR approx 2.5 years ago, not long after i joined NORAD/EvE BNC left (i think Blacklights Blog and some other corp histories have more accurate date references), after BNC left a little blew happened between The Merchant Marines and Nemesis in Cloud Ring, corps left and Norad gradually moved into OR only (Ze Germans moved back/into CR at that time) NORAD slowly shrunk over time to a small dedicated group, CA fell apart and the remnants landed in Syndicate, and later Outer Ring (the future Imperium), NORAD Disbanded virtually except for the more hardcore elements(ie CHON), and began the resistance, along with pirate corps annoying IMP in OR and Syndicate (TRS/Teddies/TDG the notables and old hats). Old NORAD corps (and friends from around Syndicate and the likes) eventaully reformed NORAD, fighting IMP while they prepared for what im guessing would be BoB's eventual desire to utterly and totally destroy IMP. BoB attacked, NORAD chose to support IMP somewhat, BoB won and took control while IMP kinda just moved out and NORAD forces continued to be a pest. NORAD and BoB had fun in OR, but OR isnt exactly worth the time or effort for the resources it contains, BoB maintained control of A2 through sheer military force, NORAD got its claim back on OR since BoB had what they wanted and didnt need the rest (ie had complex in A2...). BoB occassionally does a roady to OR, NORAD defends the best we can (we fought at least ), nothing much gets achieved either way other than keeping norad small and unable to get anywhere (good idea tbh), OR becomes the arse end of the universe with the nack of luring every half wit wanna be pirate (and some quite good pirates as well), all sides have fun, NORAD gets spanked at times, we spank them sometimes (i'd call it even, but then im biased, we took losses, they took losses...meh details). Corps that later become PURE pay OR a visit, end up shaking out in D5 in the end fighting NORAD (love you too Drantis), GoonSwarm gets nosey around the same time and decides to invade, we kill them, they kill us (the ratio was far in our favour, but im sure someone will point out, killing 2000 goons is a drop in the ocean), Goons begin to settle in while NORAD goes into resistance mode (while Goon hired merc's go on a POS killing spree), Goons then decided to head to XZH as that little soverignty screw up happened (with STV leaving D2), Cloud Ring turns into hell while NORAD and FA keep talking merger and we retore control over OR (about as much as you can call 'control' over an NPC region) Evenatually NORAD and FA decide to merge, result is RISE, like anything new and composed of two unique groups things take time to settle. In Cloud Ring, Goonswarm withdraws, D2 agrees to let RISE take over control, we move in. The rest, well thats within the last 4 months and is probably well documented in various topics with plenty of flames and biased opinions (including mine). people in RISE atm can provide their side's details for the last 3-4 months, not my place since im no longer in the alliance. most of the corps that joined RISE from the NORAD component of the merger, have since left (i think 2-3 of the current RISE corps were NORAD), some of the ex-RISE corps felt a little miffed with certain issue's, yes the majority of those 'miffed' corps were formally NORAD members (its sheer coincidence i swear ). Hope that helps somewhat (if it sounds biased in some way it probably is, you were warned.) ------------------------------------------------ War is Hell but it is the price we pay for the freedom we so desperately need. A Waffle Life Member, Currently feeling a Grey
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.28 13:08:00 - [38] aww Nalrath you are so articulate it makes me blush over all my posts i ever posted:) Might i add to all my posts: Yep i loved Norad and im proud of our history.Rest in peace Norad, you stay in our hearts. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.28 14:19:00 - [39] Damn me shakes tear away i get all emotional thinking baout Norad :) A video of one of the battles against Pure : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/greyc/boten_anna.wmv The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
skini Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.28 14:51:00 - [40] Edited by: skini on 28/12/2006 14:53:09 http://www.big-pricewatch.net/kill/index.php edit, I post on these boards rarely .. are KB links allowed? Alot of the information is blanked out when your not logged in, but you can see when somebody has lost a ship and can compare to other killboards to find out what it was, or vice-versa to see if a ship we killed was posted on their killboards. If you notice a RISE loss that is not posted, then feel free to evemail one the Alliance's spokespersons (don't have the list offhand) and we'll give them a slap. On a side note, the OP was asking about OR history, not our (RISE and RONIN) life stories. So, to everybody, keep it civil please? Originally by: Shyra Storm Can anyone post the link to the RISE killboard please? I listen they show their kills and not losses only? ~=www.SGHQ.com=~
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.28 15:47:00 - [41] Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 28/12/2006 15:51:50 Outer Ring's political history is far bigger and interesting as most people would think. About three years ago, the Outer Ring Society [ORS] leaded by Umlat had control over Outer Ring, whilst Arcadia Alliance controlled a part of Cloud Ring (all this before conquerable stations off course). In November-December civil war struck Outer Ring, on the one side you had the 'loyalists' that followed Umlat, on the other hand the 'rebels' that opposed Umlat's dictatorship. If I recall correctly, the loyalists had support from FA and Evolution (who had just left FA) whilst the rebels had Arcadia Alliance as friends. In short, ORS got destroyed in the civil war, the rebels formed Black Nova Corp and later on NORAD. The remaining loyalists stayed in Outer Ring waging a small guerilla war, until it eventually died out. NORAD replaced the Phoenix Alliance in the Northern Alliances Security Treaty [NAST] after The Great Northern War had begun. NORAD's friendship with the north grew after months of fighting alongside entities like Fade Union, Northern Star Alliance (former Coalition of Deklein/United Corporations), Reikoku, Evolution, Jericho Fraction, Celestial Apocalypse, etc... Black Nova Corporation, till that time the biggest and most influential corp in NORAD, left to form Band of Brothers with Evolution, Reikoku, m0o corp and Arcane Technologies (ATUK, m0o and Evol teamed up in Curse a few months ago to fight the Curse Alliance alongside the Stain Alliance and the Xetic and Immensea Federation). The remnants of the disbanded Curse Alliance scattered to all corners of the universe, Supremacy (a corp formed from a few old CA/C4 corps, most noteably Omega Syndicate and Zoners) teamed up with the newly founded Imperium Alliance to secure Outer Ring and a part of Syndicate. The rest of the story has been written down in some of the previous posts in this thread. Edit: this is written from my point of view as an ex-ORS CEO and High Council member.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.28 16:16:00 - [42] Edited by: Earthan on 28/12/2006 16:21:31 Edited by: Earthan on 28/12/2006 16:19:17 Good post, I didint think anybody would be interested in such old history:) I would only add from my very personal view that umlat was the sickest person i met in Eve, sick dictator, he ruined ORS. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.28 16:35:00 - [43] Originally by: Earthan Good post, I didint think anybody would be interested in such old history:) Well, I played a good part in it, and a lot of the old BNC/NORAD leadership used to be members of my first corp C-Systems or it's sistercorp GITS. Originally by: Earthan I would only add from my very personal view that umlat was the sickest person i met in Eve, sick dictator, he ruined ORS. I didn't know him that good to be honest, as I became a High Council member in ORS right before the civil war occured, and it was in my corp's best interest at the time to support Umlat and try to keep ORS going. I left for Stain Alliance soon after, so I don't exactly know how it ended. Does anyone know if Geeklab is still active by the way?
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 16:56:00 - [44] Umlat was a very odd dude, he was probably the most socially retarded person that I've come across in EvE to date. It's a good thing we didn't have player Titans back then, he probably would have nuked our own council just to get his way and then demand that we pay for the cost of the Doomsday. Btw, -ex ORS founding CEO (underground rebel to remove Umlat from power) -ex NORAD founding CEO -ex TRS member spanking IMP in OR/Synd (unofficially aiding NORAD; even they didn't know it) You could probably write a small book on OuterRing history and all the stuff that went on in the region back in the day... >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.28 16:59:00 - [45] yea I was at that time CEO of small corp , i was when ORS was founded, and we left cause we coudlnt take umlat bul**** anymore, i had a big argument with him. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.12.28 17:41:00 - [46] Originally by: skini http://www.big-pricewatch.net/kill/index.php edit, I post on these boards rarely .. are KB links allowed? You censoring your losses? Okay, I think I know the reason... By the way, RISE KB is not the state of the art. Good that several other boards around, where we can inform about your big losses! Ah, its interesting that in the alliance maps RISE control outer ring. They are pretty far away to control it. BOB and RONIN controls more than RISE. http://pietschmann.it/tmp/footer/gfooter.php/3/Shyra%20Storm/gfooter.png Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Zirator Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.12.28 17:44:00 - [47] Edited by: Zirator on 28/12/2006 17:48:16 Originally by: skini Edited by: skini on 28/12/2006 14:53:09 http://www.big-pricewatch.net/kill/index.php edit, I post on these boards rarely .. are KB links allowed? Alot of the information is blanked out when your not logged in, but you can see when somebody has lost a ship and can compare to other killboards to find out what it was, or vice-versa to see if a ship we killed was posted on their killboards. If you notice a RISE loss that is not posted, then feel free to evemail one the Alliance's spokespersons (don't have the list offhand) and we'll give them a slap. On a side note, the OP was asking about OR history, not our (RISE and RONIN) life stories. So, to everybody, keep it civil please? Originally by: Shyra Storm Can anyone post the link to the RISE killboard please? I listen they show their kills and not losses only? Sorry but if you only show who lost something without posting what was lost in which system with what fitting you might as well have no losses on your killboard at all. Time to grow up Rise and just show your losses. Or does it hurt when people can see on your killboard that you loose stuff vs the rest of the EVE world that isn't napped with you. edit: I just noticed that the killboard shows the exact details 48 hours or so after the mail was generated. So you can see the losses with all the details. But I still don't see the point. But I guess this is the FA way of doing things.
Zirator Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.12.28 17:49:00 - [48] I just noticed that the killboard shows the exact details 48 hours or so after the mail was generated. So you can see the losses with all the details. But I still don't see the point. But I guess this is the FA way of doing things. ( for some odd reason I can't edit my post )
sableye principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.28 18:03:00 - [49] outer ring has been my home on and off for a few years now and to me always feels like home ingame its quite sad the way thinsg turned out the last few months and to be honest I still don'nt know 100% why they did go that way but thats the way it went. I will say this there is a few clueless people posted about either side who are neither ronin (Shyra Storm) or rise. Join The Fight With Promo Today
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.12.28 18:39:00 - [50] Originally by: sableye I will say this there is a few clueless people posted about either side who are neither ronin (Shyra Storm) or rise. For your information, GALLENTE KOMBINAT (my corp) was member of RISE fought against YOUWHAT. For different reason, we left and now we fight against RISE and their friends. We killed lot of you (watch your killboard)! I can understand you, we live in OUTER RING too. And you fear RONIN (all RISE using more and more WCS), but we don't fear you! http://pietschmann.it/tmp/footer/gfooter.php/3/Shyra%20Storm/gfooter.png Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Erbu Gepwan	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:12:00 - [51] Shyra, have you any idea what you are talking about? apparently not. Fine, Ronin are a dominant force in Syndicate during Euro time. I'll concede that. But there is not a single hour out of the day where The Ronin have control of OR. If they come up, which is rarely, they are dealt with. And their pos's are disappearing quite rapidly. Perhaps you have OR confused with Syndicate. I am the speaker of truth. My truth shall be the shining hammer that shatters your shield of deceit.
snerdly	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:14:00 - [52] Whoops, wrong character. that's me. ^
sableye principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.28 20:39:00 - [53] Originally by: Shyra Storm Originally by: sableye I will say this there is a few clueless people posted about either side who are neither ronin (Shyra Storm) or rise. For your information, GALLENTE KOMBINAT (my corp) was member of RISE fought against YOUWHAT. For different reason, we left and now we fight against RISE and their friends. We killed lot of you (watch your killboard)! I can understand you, we live in OUTER RING too. And you fear RONIN (all RISE using more and more WCS), but we don't fear you! lol I know who you are shyra I know you were there in cloudring always crying about your raven and to say you corp though against youwhat is madness 1 or 2 of you did that does not equel a corp and you don'nt live in outer ring either if you do please tell me where we'll be there to shoot you promply. Join The Fight With Promo Today
Rthor Gallente Smugglers Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.28 21:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Earthan yea I was at that time CEO of small corp , i was when ORS was founded, and we left cause we coudlnt take umlat bul**** anymore, i had a big argument with him. It was very interesting experience. I was on the other side. Since it it history if you have a question what it looked like from within Geeklab I might answer it.
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.12.28 22:01:00 - [55] Originally by: Erbu Gepwan Fine, Ronin are a dominant force in Syndicate during Euro time. I'll concede that. But there is not a single hour out of the day where The Ronin have control of OR. If they come up, which is rarely, they are dealt with. And their pos's are disappearing quite rapidly. Read correctly! I don't wrote that RONIN controls OR, I only tell they control the "foyer" and thats right. You should know this, because we kill many RISE ships who want to travel to/from empire. I have several T2 Stuff and Skills from their cargo in my hangar... The next thing I told is that RISE dont control OR! Or will you tell us, that you can make 10/10 complex? You sit in D5 and 4C and bubble gate (and station), thats all. When RISE is so feaful, why they lost much more ships as RONIN + friends? Quote: lol I know who you are shyra I know you were there in cloudring always crying about your raven and to say you corp though against youwhat is madness 1 or 2 of you did that does not equel a corp and you don'nt live in outer ring either if you do please tell me where we'll be there to shoot you promply. Must be an mistake, I never lost an RAVEN against YOUWHAT. But its true that only 2-3 member of my corp fought there and this was few days after we join. Most of my members needs to travel up to 4c and we got an office there latly. Now we show you that my corp can fight and kill a lot of rise and there friends. Watch your killboard. Our logistics works pretty good. We produce several ships of different class right to the front. I think, if RISE that what they want to tell us, why we can hunt NPC, mining belts and live easily around and you lost so much ships? http://pietschmann.it/tmp/footer/gfooter.php/3/Shyra%20Storm/gfooter.png Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Taladorn Caldari Tech 2 Holdings Limited	Posted - 2006.12.28 22:10:00 - [56] Hmmmmmmmm Outer Rings....... Waves at other old farts
PreTender Amarr R0NIN Industrial THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.12.28 22:29:00 - [57] eek my ex-boss run __________________________ http://www.eve-extra.com http://www.eve-wiki.net
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.28 23:40:00 - [58] Who on gods green earth are The Ronin? I jest of course. The OP asked for a history lesson, not a flame war. We should all atleast try and keep on topic or else go start a new thread. ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
sableye principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.29 03:09:00 - [59] Originally by: Shyra Storm Originally by: Erbu Gepwan Fine, Ronin are a dominant force in Syndicate during Euro time. I'll concede that. But there is not a single hour out of the day where The Ronin have control of OR. If they come up, which is rarely, they are dealt with. And their pos's are disappearing quite rapidly. Read correctly! I don't wrote that RONIN controls OR, I only tell they control the "foyer" and thats right. You should know this, because we kill many RISE ships who want to travel to/from empire. I have several T2 Stuff and Skills from their cargo in my hangar... The next thing I told is that RISE dont control OR! Or will you tell us, that you can make 10/10 complex? You sit in D5 and 4C and bubble gate (and station), thats all. When RISE is so feaful, why they lost much more ships as RONIN + friends? Quote: lol I know who you are shyra I know you were there in cloudring always crying about your raven and to say you corp though against youwhat is madness 1 or 2 of you did that does not equel a corp and you don'nt live in outer ring either if you do please tell me where we'll be there to shoot you promply. Must be an mistake, I never lost an RAVEN against YOUWHAT. But its true that only 2-3 member of my corp fought there and this was few days after we join. Most of my members needs to travel up to 4c and we got an office there latly. Now we show you that my corp can fight and kill a lot of rise and there friends. Watch your killboard. Our logistics works pretty good. We produce several ships of different class right to the front. I think, if RISE that what they want to tell us, why we can hunt NPC, mining belts and live easily around and you lost so much ships? I said you maoned about it never said you lost it, you were too scared to use it just sat there crying all the time and your guys are very rarely seen around outer ring if you are your shot down, 3 of you coming in for a run through on ganking op does not equal living here and I know our killboard well lol and if you live in outer ring you do a fine job of hiding it, you shyra are the most deluded person in eve I've ever met. Your corp was kicked from rise for a reason why not just learn to accept it. Join The Fight With Promo Today
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.12.29 10:48:00 - [60] Originally by: sableye I said you maoned about it never said you lost it, you were too scared to use it just sat there crying all the time and your guys are very rarely seen around outer ring if you are your shot down, 3 of you coming in for a run through on ganking op does not equal living here and I know our killboard well lol and if you live in outer ring you do a fine job of hiding it, you shyra are the most deluded person in eve I've ever met. Your corp was kicked from rise for a reason why not just learn to accept it. I give you the answer before. We was new and dont have any logistic around. RISE was not able to sell us ships (we ordered several)! So we need to bring our own logistic on tour. I dont cry to loose my Raven, I tell that this was the only one (at this time). Our first steps with was horror. They don't support each other, mostly don't want to fight,... But now, we have good support, great logistic and we do what we can to hit you hard again and again. ) But lets get back ontopic. Don't write nonsens here. You know where you can find us (or will find you docked again sometime ) Fly by and fight! http://pietschmann.it/tmp/footer/gfooter.php/3/Shyra%20Storm/gfooter.png Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip

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