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maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.27 15:28:00 - [1] Edited by: maarud on 27/12/2006 15:33:38 I'm a little bored at work, so I was looking back over all the alliance maps and a constant over those maps was NORAD, which I'm guessing, then became RISE. These guys seem to have lived in this regoin for most of EVE. At one stage they contested the regoin with BoB, but from what looks like on the map, they took the regoin back. Is there a story behind this? I'm looking for a bit on indulgence. Could someone give me the history behind the regoin and NORAD/RISE? Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.12.27 15:32:00 - [2] I've been wondering how RISE has progressed so far against CHON in Outer Ring. -
General Xerxes GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 15:44:00 - [3] Originally by: maarud Edited by: maarud on 27/12/2006 15:33:38 I'm a little bored at work, so I was looking back over all the alliance maps and a constant over those maps was NORAD, which I'm guessing, then became RISE. These guys seem to have lived in this regoin for most of EVE. At one stage they contested the regoin with BoB, but from what looks like on the map, they took the regoin back. Is there a story behind this? I'm looking for a bit on indulgence. Could someone give me the history behind the regoin and NORAD/RISE? RISE was a merger between FA and NORAD. Most of the NORAD corps have left for various reasons and the alliance is mostly FA now. I will not say more becuase it is quite an emotional subject among ex-RISE corps and I might get in trouble with my CEO. ----- Drone Fanatic Sig Coming soon...maybe...
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 15:57:00 - [4] what me.. no.. gx you can say what ever you want.. (hover mouse over kick member option) Well as i understand it.. Most former norad corps have left rise, rise still claims OR, 3 major norad corps haev formed r0nin and are fighting rise. ronin dont seek to reclaim OR they are mostly roaming and killign in OR syndicate and sourindings, Since OR is a rather poor region that you cant actually build any infrastructure in (not claimable space) Rise has invited a few minor corps and alliance to the region, so OR is liek it has always been with a bunch of trigger happy people =) and ooh a few of the old NORADs have now formed Breidablik alliance that atm are squatting in Fountain until BOB returns
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 16:03:00 - [5] Originally by: maarud These guys seem to have lived in this regoin for most of EVE. At one stage they contested the regoin with BoB, but from what looks like on the map, they took the regoin back. Is there a story behind this? Reikoku History In the end we had rolled in to Outer Ring and decided that the region was more hassle than it was worth - we kept the diamond in the rough and didn't contest NORAD taking ownership of the region again. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 16:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Earthan on 27/12/2006 16:26:42 Edited by: Earthan on 27/12/2006 16:25:48 Edited by: Earthan on 27/12/2006 16:20:31 Originally by: General Xerxes Originally by: maarud Edited by: maarud on 27/12/2006 15:33:38 I'm a little bored at work, so I was looking back over all the alliance maps and a constant over those maps was NORAD, which I'm guessing, then became RISE. These guys seem to have lived in this regoin for most of EVE. At one stage they contested the regoin with BoB, but from what looks like on the map, they took the regoin back. Is there a story behind this? I'm looking for a bit on indulgence. Could someone give me the history behind the regoin and NORAD/RISE? RISE was a merger between FA and NORAD. Most of the NORAD corps have left for various reasons and the alliance is mostly FA now. I will not say more becuase it is quite an emotional subject among ex-RISE corps and I might get in trouble with my CEO. signed may i add a very shortened timeline of OR events from certain time: control of OR from my point of view: Norad controls OR,Imperium ( kicks norad out for certian amount of time , then guerilla warfare gets stronger and stronger) ,BOB comes and kicks imps out, Norad gets streonger and stronger and comes back to OR, some fighting occures, bobs give up, prolly becuase the region is poor and realize norad wont give up , making it a contstan war (npc stations+ norad stubborn spirit:) ) over a poor region.then Norad merges with FA to found Rise and in short occurs what General Xerxes and Nyack wrote The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.27 16:34:00 - [7] So the fact that its a NPC regoin and pretty poor means not many people are interested in it and generally not worth the effort. Correct me where I'm wrong here, but it doesn't look all that bad. It doesn't have a empire link, so you'll get less roaming pirates than you would in Syndicate or Curse. It's got a 10/10 serp complex (maybe more now since kali), that same system has a -0.85 sec rating, with a -0.79 and -0.70 systems connecting in that order, which are also right at the back of the system, so you can sustain yourself with a industrial base there. While most of the regoin seems pretty crap, it's doesn't seem THAT bad. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:18:00 - [8] Originally by: maarud Correct me where I'm wrong here, but it doesn't look all that bad. It doesn't have a empire link, so you'll get less roaming pirates than you would in Syndicate or Curse. It's got a 10/10 serp complex (maybe more now since kali), that same system has a -0.85 sec rating, with a -0.79 and -0.70 systems connecting in that order, which are also right at the back of the system, so you can sustain yourself with a industrial base there. well in theory yes.. but fact is that bob has control of that 10/10 with an alt corp that farms that plex. if you setup any infrastructure up there bob swoops in and takes it away. and it is 20 or so jumps inot a dead end resulting in all ur assets being trapped there when bob arrives. then you have a system towards fountain with npc stations and zyd ore, but that gets stripmnined in hours after it has respawned. a little dead end with bistot and 4 belts or so not so far from 4c is alos a good asset but you need pos to mine there.. the only good asset in teh region is prolly the few good moons that can be used for moon mining but and that is prolly why bob are left alone cause if you mess with them they swoop in and clean up all towers in the region resutlign u loosing ur own moon mining.. so yes there is poorer regions but the proximity to syndicate and empire makes abit of a gank fest and the region isnt rich enough so u prolly loose more isk then you gain defending it. it is good if you are only going for pvp in bs gangs etc but it can not sustain high playstyle like the bigger boys such as motherships, etc etc
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:22:00 - [9] Well it certianly isnt that bad. But take notice who was fighting over itit wasnt some pushovers, touhg sme of eve like to think it. Bob is BOB. Imperium in start was really strong , ex curse. Norad had better and worse period , but when we fought bob and later , we could muster at short notice ~20 ships, and for ops 30-40 , with good commanders and decent pilots in majority.Also we had some bravery and stubborness that was unique:). It isnt galaxy shattering force but its a force not every wannae be invader can overcome. Not sure about current Rise, but from what i seen seems they have got much better.. So OR isnt that bad but it isnt also that great.Just like the forces fighting for it:) The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:26:00 - [10] Well, from the sounds of what you are saying, even tho BoB don't live there, the residents still seem to live under BoB's rules, even tho they haven't laid them out, they seem to be pretty clear. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Ritchler Gallente Proof Or Stfu	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:52:00 - [11] Originally by: maarud Edited by: maarud on 27/12/2006 15:33:38 I'm a little bored at work, so I was looking back over all the alliance maps and a constant over those maps was NORAD, which I'm guessing, then became RISE. These guys seem to have lived in this regoin for most of EVE. At one stage they contested the regoin with BoB, but from what looks like on the map, they took the regoin back. Is there a story behind this? I'm looking for a bit on indulgence. Could someone give me the history behind the regoin and NORAD/RISE? Um, BOB gave it back, they couldnt be arsed to fight for it
snerdly	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:00:00 - [12] Originally by: maarud Well, from the sounds of what you are saying, even tho BoB don't live there, the residents still seem to live under BoB's rules, even tho they haven't laid them out, they seem to be pretty clear. Don't say that to a RISE member. The main problem RISE has with taking the A2V complex is they don't have the necessary force to destroy the alt corp's pos before BoB rolls in and gets rid of their contesting pos. Add in the current war with ronin, which frequently requires use of the dreads needed to take A2V, and RISE can't really try for it right now.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:03:00 - [13] well actually BOB did fight a bit so it isnt tottaly true. Thej just realized they would have to deploy cosiderbale force over alooong period of time to have hopes of kicking out Norad ( hope not being sure) so they gave up, cause OR wasnt worth it. As for locals living under bob rule dont know about rise , but with Norad we never lived under nobodies rule. Yes Bob alt corp or somethign did have a grasp over the 10/10 complex ( Norad fought them and had soem control over it for some time, but then every time we pushed to hard bob would come with 60+ ships and capitals and raze all poses).But that was all of BOB control. From what i know Rise also fights BOB. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:17:00 - [14] CHON ( ronin) have been shoved back into the border of syndicate and placid no longer any real force to contend with These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:59:00 - [15] Edited by: Kaylis Tzu on 27/12/2006 20:00:13 NORAD as an alliance is no more but many of the corps are still around and those within RISE still maintian NORAD's traditional claim to Outer Ring. RISE was formed about 6 months ago when Fountain Alliance and NORAD merged to form a new stronger alliance. FA moved north into Outer Ring and RISE continued the historical claim that NORAD had maintained for so long. Over the summer and early fall the alliance was challenged by a couple major conflicts and many of our small, carebear and empire based corps began to leave. It was about this time that a number of NORAD corps began to pull out of RISE for various reasons. After the conflicts were over RISE went through a reformation period and trimmed down and focused our efforts within OR in order to become the 23/7 PVP alliance we are today. Recently in October a number of ex-RISE corps (all 3 of which were once NORAD) decided to form The RONIN and challenge our claim to Outer Ring. RISE today is stronger for our conflict with The RONIN. They are very good PVP'ers (as seen in the tourney) and have shown an uncommon persistence in this fight. This conflict has been ongoing since then and seems to be drawing to a close now with all but a handful of RONIN assets still in our claimed space. We have come a long way since the infancy of this alliance and are starting to see the fruits of all the hard work. RISE numbers over 1,100 has a 23/7 presence and now claims and patrols the parts of Syndicate west of K5-JRD, all Syndicate clusters only accessable through Outer Ring and of course Outer Ring. Hopefully this has been helpful in answering your questions. If you have any additional questions please direct them in game to myslef or Vache. You may also find us in our public channel: Rise-Open Fly safe RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Kaylis Tzu Edited by: Kaylis Tzu on 27/12/2006 20:00:13 NORAD as an alliance is no more but many of the corps are still around and those within RISE still maintian NORAD's traditional claim to Outer Ring. RISE was formed about 6 months ago when Fountain Alliance and NORAD merged to form a new stronger alliance. FA moved north into Outer Ring and RISE continued the historical claim that NORAD had maintained for so long. Over the summer and early fall the alliance was challenged by a couple major conflicts and many of our small, carebear and empire based corps began to leave. It was about this time that a number of NORAD corps began to pull out of RISE for various reasons. After the conflicts were over RISE went through a reformation period and trimmed down and focused our efforts within OR in order to become the 23/7 PVP alliance we are today. Recently in October a number of ex-RISE corps (all 3 of which were once NORAD) decided to form The RONIN and challenge our claim to Outer Ring. RISE today is stronger for our conflict with The RONIN. They are very good PVP'ers (as seen in the tourney) and have shown an uncommon persistence in this fight. This conflict has been ongoing since then and seems to be drawing to a close now with all but a handful of RONIN assets still in our claimed space. We have come a long way since the infancy of this alliance and are starting to see the fruits of all the hard work. RISE numbers over 1,100 has a 23/7 presence and now claims and patrols the parts of Syndicate west of K5-JRD, all Syndicate clusters only accessable through Outer Ring and of course Outer Ring. Hopefully this has been helpful in answering your questions. If you have any additional questions please direct them in game to myslef or Vache. You may also find us in our public channel: Rise-Open Fly safe If you require any further clarification on any matters pertaining to Rise, please contact myself, or alternatively Kaylis Tzu with your queries.You will also find us at Rise-Open, in game. This will be the only post made by Rise supporting this matter. Thank you. ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Miss Overlord CHON ( ronin) have been shoved back into the border of syndicate and placid no longer any real force to contend with this is bull**** Ronin isnt shoved back , they are where they are cause they enjoy it.They got plenty of fights near , what they like. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Reverend Mitterak Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Earthan Edited by: Earthan on 27/12/2006 16:26:42 Edited by: Earthan on 27/12/2006 16:25:48 Edited by: Earthan on 27/12/2006 16:20:31 Originally by: General Xerxes Originally by: maarud Edited by: maarud on 27/12/2006 15:33:38 I'm a little bored at work, so I was looking back over all the alliance maps and a constant over those maps was NORAD, which I'm guessing, then became RISE. These guys seem to have lived in this regoin for most of EVE. At one stage they contested the regoin with BoB, but from what looks like on the map, they took the regoin back. Is there a story behind this? I'm looking for a bit on indulgence. Could someone give me the history behind the regoin and NORAD/RISE? RISE was a merger between FA and NORAD. Most of the NORAD corps have left for various reasons and the alliance is mostly FA now. I will not say more becuase it is quite an emotional subject among ex-RISE corps and I might get in trouble with my CEO. signed may i add a very shortened timeline of OR events from certain time: control of OR from my point of view: Norad controls OR,Imperium ( kicks norad out for certian amount of time , then guerilla warfare gets stronger and stronger) ,BOB comes and kicks imps out, Norad gets streonger and stronger and comes back to OR, some fighting occures, bobs give up, prolly becuase the region is poor and realize norad wont give up , making it a contstan war (npc stations+ norad stubborn spirit:) ) over a poor region.then Norad merges with FA to found Rise and in short occurs what General Xerxes and Nyack wrote It is important to note that the fall of Imperium in Outter ring was primarily due to the rise of a short lived but very good PvP Pirate corp Called "The Royal Syndicate" headed by Odet. The corp of 30 active members single handedly broke Imperium's strangle hold allowing for other forced or as we called them "targets" to roll back in. Syndicate pirates have always been a tide changing force in the region, particularly since the downfall of ORS and early NORAD (marked by the depature of BNC, my home and it's primary milatary force). Stability has never been Outter Ring's Strong point, democracies simply do not work in 0.0 when strong likeminded PvPers roam.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:26:00 - [19] BoB took over Outer Ring more with the intention of kicking Imperium out then actually keeping it. OR is a crap region, and we had just conquered Fountain (which is a rather nice region). Nemo me impune lacessit
Reverend Mitterak Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:26:00 - [20] I would further add that BoB could and would retake the region with ease if we thought we needed or wanted it. It is simply not worth our time or effort. Period. We who grew up in eve in O-R know it's true worth. Enjoy.
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:54:00 - [21] I liked OR but there are much better parts of 0.0 all over the place. Sounds like no one else will be able to do anything with it's meager resources til BoB gets taken care of.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.27 21:04:00 - [22] to the guy supporting ronin they have been sitting in placid im seeing their members there as i pass thro and their raids into outer ring and syndicate are reduced as they get spanked by the rise rapid reaction force every time they stick their nose in a few border corparations are friendly with RISE and act as a buffer zone - if numbers permit they attack ronin when they show up otherwise RISE are informed and deal with the matter. Nothing wrong with that as it keeps their enemies in check and brings some stability to the area. Anarchy empire continue to roam thro 2-3 times a day but only when numbers allow otherwise syndicate is still fairly quite these days if we could just scan down those pesky cloaked scout ships that sit there for 6 hours at a time afk but that lobbying will begin now in earnest on other parts of this forum CCP promised it for kali and we are going to get it These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.12.27 21:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Earthan Originally by: Miss Overlord CHON ( ronin) have been shoved back into the border of syndicate and placid no longer any real force to contend with this is bull**** Ronin isnt shoved back , they are where they are cause they enjoy it.They got plenty of fights near , what they like. A comment from the peanut gallery? If memory serves me correctly Earthen, you have serious commitment issues. While you have successfully maintianed bonds with everyone involved, you always manage to move on unscathed while adding your uninformed comments. I am a resident of OR and see the goings on everyday. While I belive that Ronin has managed to hold some ground, They certainly don't have the presence they used to have. And Earthy and his amazing fire eaters have never poked his nose in here after leaving first Rise and Finally Ronin. I thought for a minute you would go back to Black Nova Corp and was suprised to hear you were starting your own corp...kudos... So please don't toss in your defensive opinion unless your ready to drag your peeps down here and get back to work Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO
Aeryn Davenport Claflin Industries	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Reverend Mitterak I would further add that BoB could and would retake the region with ease if we thought we needed or wanted it. It is simply not worth our time or effort. Period. We who grew up in eve in O-R know it's true worth. Enjoy. LOL. Thanks for adding the most obvious and pointless comment to this thread. You guys say this about EVERY region in EVE. We got the "Nice region, think we'll take it" mantra the first million times ya'll posted it. Blah blah blah. Try to come up with something new to add to the dialogue. Originally by: Earthan this is bull**** Ronin isnt shoved back , they are where they are cause they enjoy it.They got plenty of fights near , what they like. This is also funny. Classic "they didn't beat us we chose to leave" excuse. What happened to Shivaja grandiose statement of "OR = CHON"? Or have you conveniently forgotten the "Outer Ring in Flames" post of long ago? Was it also part of the master RONIN plan to get all their POS's in OR blown-up? More like "CHON = crap end of Syndicate."
PreTender Amarr R0NIN Industrial THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:17:00 - [25] Edited by: PreTender on 27/12/2006 23:31:09 Originally by: Miss Overlord to the guy supporting ronin they have been sitting in placid im seeing their members there as i pass thro and their raids into outer ring and syndicate are reduced as they get spanked by the rise rapid reaction force every time they stick their nose in a few border corparations are friendly with RISE and act as a buffer zone - if numbers permit they attack ronin when they show up otherwise RISE are informed and deal with the matter. Nothing wrong with that as it keeps their enemies in check and brings some stability to the area. rise reaction force is that the 20odd man gang ? that goes to cot camps it and when we jump in get the hell out leaving buddies behind to die ? Just to be clear - We are sitting in the same spot as 3-4months ago - As soon as we have 1or 2 ronin jump into a system every docks (VC ) - just check the kb and when is rise gonna make their losses public ? __________________________ http://www.eve-extra.com http://www.eve-wiki.net
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:35:00 - [26] RISE is dead! KNIGHTS OF SYNDICATE is dead! VERTIGO COALITION is dead! GALACTIC APHEILION is really dead! By the way, RISE never controlled the OUTER RING. They lived in 2-3 systems. Not more. In the backyard, BOB ruled da house and in the foyer RONIN and friends controls the entry! Watch several killboads and anyone can see, that an coalition of several alliance with over 2400 pilots lost against their enemies. An handful, fearless fighters! Thats not only my opinion, thats the truth! http://pietschmann.it/tmp/footer/gfooter.php/3/Shyra%20Storm/gfooter.png Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
snerdly	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:58:00 - [27] Rebuttals: Pretender, might I ask how you know this? Looking at the killboard you ronin love talking about so much, I see one kill. And it's a goonfleet kill. Not RISE. So basically, you're making these statements off the massive knowledge of the front you gain from never actually showing up on it. Shyra, your comments are even more inflammatory. Go to 4c, tell me what you see. That's right, 30-40 rise, maybe one ronin docked somewhere. Dead? No. brings hand around in a sweeping gesture You who would ally yourselves with The Ronin, look now upon the face of your ally. The face of an incoherent smacktard. Why would you want to align with such an entity? Tinfoil hat man out.
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.12.28 00:54:00 - [28] So you see 30-40 RISE and yet you, an NPC corp char, are still in local. They're doing well. Ask around, someone in 4c might know who PT's combat alt is.. or did the statment from vache only apply to RISE chars and not their alts? All this posturing from people is boring, especially the semi-coherent ramblings of Miss Overlord. We haven't been pushed back anywhere, the same stuff is happening now that was happening a couple of months ago - We shoot people in OR and Syndicate, win some and lose less. RISE storm through and look hard every night when most of us have gone to bed.
Liora Vahan Gallente Axe Gang	Posted - 2006.12.28 00:59:00 - [29] I'd like to point out that RISE weren't formed with OR in mind. They held Cloud Ring at first, and were driven out by YouWhat with Outbreak support. A legend in my own mind
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.12.28 01:03:00 - [30] Nah, they were formed to live in OR but moved to .xzh after the goonfestation was cleared.

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