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Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2454	Posted - 2015.10.16 21:25:14 - [1] - Quote Not two months since having been given the great gift of forgiveness and the opportunity to ascend to the Imperial Throne and "His Royal Highness" already paints it in sin. http://i.imgur.com/dywTCS5.png https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6059806#post6059806 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6103754#post6103754 Khanid gave up his claim to the throne when he rebelled against God's Holy Empire. Now he calls blood raiders his champions. Are we to replace the Red Chamberlain with a Red Emperor? And they stood before Him, bathed in His light. Yet their eyes were blind, Their hearts rebellious, And their minds refused the Lord. Darkness descended upon them, Spreading inside their minds, And the flames of the Lord died within them. - Gheinok the First 1:13 Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 260	Posted - 2015.10.16 22:17:40 - [2] - Quote I voted for Nauplius.
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 319	Posted - 2015.10.16 22:22:51 - [3] - Quote What Ardishapur, that Khanid. No you faith. One coward, tail between his legs had once fled. The second came up with "false belief" into the fleshin order to spite the Jamyl. Are blind these children. Deluded children. How do I feel sorry for you. Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110 CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. "All these wayward children." You'll have to stand me before February. =)
Lord Kailethre Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 277	Posted - 2015.10.17 06:54:32 - [4] - Quote Have faith Lieutenant, God will see the true heir upon the throne and not this pretender.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1432	Posted - 2015.10.17 07:03:32 - [5] - Quote Lord Kailethre wrote: Have faith Lieutenant, God will see the true heir upon the throne and not this pretender. Well, technically, putting him on the throne could be the best way to put the Empire through... many hardships.. You know what they say in the Scriptures.
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 320	Posted - 2015.10.17 09:05:37 - [6] - Quote Political differences are one thing, even outright sedition. Sanist heresies are completely different and much worse.
Xindi Kraid Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 1054	Posted - 2015.10.17 19:48:28 - [7] - Quote I don't get it. Jamyl allows herself to be cloned which is not allowed for Amarr Royals and becomes Empress without the normal process, and ALL of you claim it's part of God's plan, welcoming her with open arms. Now you continue to call someone who was legally chosen by your own body of government to have the chance to succeed Jamyl a heretic and question his choices? Maybe I don't understand your religion, but right now it seems to me that you expect God's plan to be by popular opinion. Maybe YOU don't understand your religion, claiming to somehow have insight into the mind of an unfathomable being. Perhaps you are wrong, and there is some purpose behind the choice of a "heretic" whether it be redemption or additional punishment. Or, more likely you need to outgrow such silly superstitions. I'm not an expert on your government, but I was under the impression that criticizing the Theology council and heirs was not something you should do. There's some reason for what they do, and, by your own admission the victor of the championship is willed by god, so how can the choices of champion not be?
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 322	Posted - 2015.10.17 19:54:20 - [8] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: I don't get it. Jamyl allows herself to be cloned which is not allowed for Amarr Royals and becomes Empress without the normal process, and ALL of you claim it's part of God's plan, welcoming her with open arms. Now you continue to call someone who was legally chosen by your own body of government to have the chance to succeed Jamyl a heretic and question his choices? Maybe I don't understand your religion, but right now it seems to me that you expect God's plan to be by popular opinion. Maybe YOU don't understand your religion, claiming to somehow have insight into the mind of an unfathomable being. Perhaps you are wrong, and there is some purpose behind the choice of a "heretic" whether it be redemption or additional punishment. Or, more likely you need to outgrow such silly superstitions. It doesn't make any sense because it's a fairy tale. She was Empress capsuleer, a symbol of a new era. Empyrean Age. For this I am her and respected. She was one of us. Blood Reidars is not in vain believe capsuleer the blood the very pure and sacred. Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110 Empress capsuleer. CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. "All these wayward children."
Goldfinch Order of Jamyl 465	Posted - 2015.10.17 20:15:50 - [9] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: Jamyl allows herself to be cloned which is not allowed for Amarr Royals and becomes Empress without the normal process, and ALL of you claim it's part of God's plan, welcoming her with open arms. Jamyl was resurrected. We suggest you keep your baseless off-topic theorycrafting to the sovereign of your own nation. Unless you think you can teach us, the Amarr, something about God and His plan? \J/ veiled and bound my origin story (on R109)
Xindi Kraid Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 1054	Posted - 2015.10.17 20:25:20 - [10] - Quote Everyone in this thread has been resurrected. You cannot dispute these facts: Jamyl Sarum was a capsuleer. She died in her pod She later returned seemingly no worse for the wear. There's a logical explanation for that, but you people would COMPLETELY ignore it because it doesn't fit your worldview rather than accepting maybe your worldview is what was flawed rather than the facts. Why is Jamyl not being a clone mandatory for her ascension to be in God's plan? God can't make exceptions? Or maybe the Sacred Flesh doctrine itself was in error. Maybe you are similarly in error for questioning a single choice by a single heir when it's obvious that faith didn't weigh much if at all into the selection process.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1433	Posted - 2015.10.17 20:31:37 - [11] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: I don't get it. Jamyl allows herself to be cloned which is not allowed for Amarr Royals and becomes Empress without the normal process, and ALL of you claim it's part of God's plan, welcoming her with open arms. Now you continue to call someone who was legally chosen by your own body of government to have the chance to succeed Jamyl a heretic and question his choices? Maybe I don't understand your religion, but right now it seems to me that you expect God's plan to be by popular opinion. Maybe YOU don't understand your religion, claiming to somehow have insight into the mind of an unfathomable being. Perhaps you are wrong, and there is some purpose behind the choice of a "heretic" whether it be redemption or additional punishment. Or, more likely you need to outgrow such silly superstitions. Perhaps it doesn't make any sense because it's a fairly tale. I'm not an expert on your government, but I was under the impression that criticizing the Theology council and heirs was not something you should do. There's some reason for what they do, and, by your own admission the victor of the championship is willed by god, so how can the choices of champion not be? As far as I know the TC only stated that her return was a miracle. Some choose to envision resurrection, others choose to take it for what Occam's Razor suggests it is.
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 323	Posted - 2015.10.17 20:38:43 - [12] - Quote I heard of blind faith? Here is to treat the supporters of Ardishapur. They honestly believe that his faith in the "Godflesh" true faith, and that the throne of can not be capsuleer. Quote: For a brief second, I consider crying out, "Kill me!" to them. Such a command would not be refused by any of them, I should think. Would Yonis strangle me with his own hands or would he refuse to dirty his pure flesh by bringing it into contact with mine? Aritcio, the whispers say, had dirtied his hands a hundred times over now... They are all far from being saints. The banal jealousy behind her successes. Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110 Empress capsuleer. CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. "All these wayward children."
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 558	Posted - 2015.10.17 20:48:19 - [13] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: Everyone in this thread has been resurrected. You cannot dispute these facts: Jamyl Sarum was a capsuleer. She died in her pod She later returned seemingly no worse for the wear. There's a logical explanation for that, but you people would COMPLETELY ignore it because it doesn't fit your worldview rather than accepting maybe your worldview is what was flawed rather than the facts. Why is Jamyl not being a clone mandatory for her ascension to be in God's plan? God can't make exceptions? Or maybe the Sacred Flesh doctrine itself was in error. Maybe you are similarly in error for questioning a single choice by a single heir when it's obvious that faith didn't weigh much if at all into the selection process. And why is a loyalist Caldari corp member, an ostensible Ally picking a fight with the Faithful Amarr from, as far as I can tell, completely out of the blue when the subject of the thread is King Khanid's selection of a known Blood Raider as a champion? Respectfully, Miss Priano, you need to cut back on the coffee in IKANE's break room.
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 325	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:04:13 - [14] - Quote Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: And why is a loyalist Caldari corp member, an ostensible Ally picking a fight with the Faithful Amarr from, as far as I can tell, completely out of the blue when the subject of the thread is King Khanid's selection of a known Blood Raider as a champion? Respectfully, Miss Priano, you need to cut back on the coffee in IKANE's break room. She spoke the truth. Quote: Garkeh Khanid, however, is a bag of vipers dressed as a man. Here the snake got out out of the bag. Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110 Empress capsuleer. CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. "All these wayward children."
Utari Onzo Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 706	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:11:01 - [15] - Quote Mr Kraid, a little education for you. God does not direct and put His hand into every little thing that goes on in the Universe. He is not a micromanaging supervisor at the Helm of the Universe. He is more like a caretaker, He has created the foundations of the Universe, and desires us to follow His plan. He created free will to allow us to explore, and discover, all of the wonders of His creation through science, philosophy and faith. As part of the price of creating free will, there is indeed a chance for Man to fail in His plan, and in the case of Champion selection this act might very well cost His Royal Highness in the long run if the accusations are true, both in the material sense and in the spiritual. It is on each Heir and their Champion to earn God's grace and favour. They must demonstrate their fervour, their faith and skill before Him. God is both generous, and stern, He does not give of gifts freely, so only the most worthy Champion and Heir will in the end be granted the blessing of God. This is called a Trial after all, we're not weak limbed children begging to God for mercy and guidance, but instead demonstrating strength and allowing Him to pick of the best. In regards to Jamyl's return, this was one of those times that God himself felt compelled to act. With corruption in the very heart of the Empire, and the arrival of the Elder Fleet, God decided to bestow upon His faithful a gift in the form of our Empress' return. You don't believe and feel our faith, but we very much do, so your comments about absolutes and facts are irrelevant when you don't take that into account. Belief in miracles and divine wrath is fact in our eyes when the signs are there. Finally, in regards to your 'choice' comments, I have to agree with Mrs Daphiti that it seems some Caldari pilots can be overly eager to chip in their point of view on our Empire. Faith plays a huge and crucial role in the Governing of the Amarr (this being that all peoples of the Empire are Amarr by term, the difference being True Amarr are True by blood and history and only they have the True title.) You might not like this, get this, understand this, but your arguments will hold absolutely no sway with us if you don't address this simple fact. Faith is the centre of everything we do. While I understand this forum is public and open to all to reply, sometimes I feel it would be in the best interest of Caldari allies to not keep mocking us so publically and on topics damn well important to us when it comes to our late Empress and the means by which we'll be provided a new ruler. I get everyone wants to chip in about the issue on slavery, but this particular topic is to do with our Government. Would you kindly show some respect, fair allies? "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Xindi Kraid Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 1055	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:15:00 - [16] - Quote So, because we're allies I should toe the Amarr line? I am an ally of the Amarr people, I am not, however and Amarr; my compliance with your edicts is not necessary, just as your compliance with Caldari edicts is not necessary. I wasn't picking a fight, I am trying to understand what the problem is, and why there is so much flip flop between heretic and God willed it all the time. I also struggle to understand how everything could possibly be God's will, if you keep finding exceptions. Many of the champions are also "allies" rather than faithful, and yet because of a single pick, you are now second guessing the vetting process for picking someone who met all of the requirements. I also noticed the quotes around the word 'heir' in the title which indicates that you don't accept the rulings of your own government, and I was under the impression that, to the Amarr, sedition and heresy were more or less the same thing since questioning the government is to also question god. Have I missed something somewhere?
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 559	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:20:33 - [17] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: I don't get it. Jamyl allows herself to be cloned which is not allowed for Amarr Royals and becomes Empress without the normal process, and ALL of you claim it's part of God's plan, welcoming her with open arms. Or, more likely you need to outgrow such silly superstitions. Perhaps it doesn't make any sense because it's a fairly tale. It's more because you came out of "left field" as the saying goes to immediately and directly attack manifold aspects of the Faith, close to the hearts of the Faithful, without provocation or necessity. Because I value the Society's elationship with IKANE I shall hush for now and refer you to Utari Onzo's capable response. I also urge Ms. Priano to finish her posting guidelines for IKANE before yet another diplomatic incident unfolds.
Utari Onzo Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 708	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:25:56 - [18] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: So, because we're allies I should toe the Amarr line? I am an ally of the Amarr people, I am not, however and Amarr; my compliance with your edicts is not necessary, just as your compliance with Caldari edicts is not necessary. I wasn't picking a fight, I am trying to understand what the problem is, and why there is so much flip flop between heretic and God willed it all the time. I also struggle to understand how everything could possibly be God's will, if you keep finding exceptions. Many of the champions are also "allies" rather than faithful, and yet because of a single pick, you are now second guessing the vetting process for picking someone who met all of the requirements. I also noticed the quotes around the word 'heir' in the title which indicates that you don't accept the rulings of your own government, and I was under the impression that, to the Amarr, sedition and heresy were more or less the same thing since questioning the government is to also question god. Have I missed something somewhere? Mr Kraid, for someone seeking understanding, you certainatly came in with an aggressive matter of fact statement on what the 'fact' of the situation was, rather then trying to be reasonable in engaging in debate. You presented what you felt was the 'correct' stance, and challenged us for having faith. That's not trying to understand, that's mockery. In regards to the denouncement of the Heir and potential Champion, I am not taking a stance on it myself, so I will leave it to others to do so until a formal judgement on the matter is made, if one really is. I was presenting what the consequence could be if it's true, so I hope that much atleast will satisfy until someone else can explain further. Finally, I already outlined God does not will absolutely everything. It's the price of free will, the thing that raises Humanity above beasts. If He truly willed absolutely everything, the Universe would be perfect, but we would never learn. We must be allowed to make mistakes, and be punished for them, so that we learn much as a child does. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 532	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:26:54 - [19] - Quote I am pleased with this news.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7707	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:30:25 - [20] - Quote With due respect, Mr. Kraid, let's withdraw a bit on this subject. While on one hand they should not expect us to agree with their worldview or understand it wholly, and should not be too dismayed when we approach matters with a mind to inquiry, we should similarly not attempt to foist our world view on them. Imagine, if you will, if a member of the Intaki Liberation Front pointedly inquired about and seemed dismissive of an aspect of Caldari culture; would you not be frustrated as well? That on some matters (such as the Empress Jamyl's return) this may be a bit mind-boggling, well... we just have to accept that. In this instance, though, I will say this: I do find Lieutenant Kernher's reaction understandable in one part, and curious in another. On one hand, an imperial heir selecting an overt Blood Raider who has engaged in ritual sacrifice is something that warrants inquiry; on the other hand, her seeming refusal to accept the Theology Council's decision that King Khanid II is indeed an imperial heir seems curious. However, I'm an outsider, so in this matter I'll abstain from further comment. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2094	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:34:48 - [21] - Quote Well, Blood Raiders are somewhat... scary persons. Maybe it was a PR move to inflict fear to contestants? In the mood of "Yarr! After I defeat you, I'll drink blood from your liver!" Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Utari Onzo Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 713	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:35:46 - [22] - Quote Thank you Ms Priano for your timely post. I hope we can have productive debates on matters like these in the future with civility and a mutual understanding, taking in to account that we might not ultimately agree but must respect each other's position. That was the point on respect that I was implying in my previous posting. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Goldfinch Order of Jamyl 470	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:37:40 - [23] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: Maybe I don't understand your religion ... Or, more likely you need to outgrow such silly superstitions. Perhaps it doesn't make any sense because it's a fairly tale. ... I'm not an expert on your government Quote: you people would COMPLETELY ignore it because it doesn't fit your worldview rather than accepting maybe your worldview is what was flawed rather than the facts Quote: I also struggle to understand how everything could possibly be God's will, if you keep finding exceptions. The only thing that is clear to us at this very moment is that you need to stop. Have you ever heard the call to prayer? Have you ever kneeled in surrender to God? Do you know our Scriptures? Our edicts? Do you have Faith? Have you toiled and bled for Amarr? Would you die for God, die for Empire, die to defend your Faith? What you know of our culture and our creed is not sufficient. We will not engage in a theological discussion with a person who has nothing vested in our religion. We Amarr have plenty of disagreements and we argue and debate with each other at every opportunity as a way to understand and strengthen our Faith and our communion with God. But we do not share a connection with you. By your own admission you do not understand our religion and our ways. For the love of IKAME, if nothing else, please desist from your insulting rhetoric. We will not suffer through this parody of a discussion about the Amarr Faith and of the Empress. You are being disrespectful in the way you are choosing to assert your beliefs. You will not find a single insulting word we personally have cast against the Caldari or the State. We expect you to reciprocate in kind, because we think that on the inside you are a better person than you've made yourself out to be in this discussion. Are we mistaken about you? \J/ veiled and bound my origin story (on R109)
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1198	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:46:57 - [24] - Quote Appeal to emotion harder. Maybe if you try again but are super serious this time for reals it might work on someone.
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 559	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:47:33 - [25] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Thank you Ms Priano for your timely post. I hope we can have productive debates on matters like these in the future with civility and a mutual understanding, taking in to account that we might not ultimately agree but must respect each other's position. That was the point on respect that I was implying in my previous posting. Yes. This.
Ascentior PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 214	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:54:16 - [26] - Quote Perhaps since Mr Kraid has been politely asked to stop, and seemingly has, it would be only fair that we cease the rebuttals. To the topic at hand, I sincerely hope that the upcoming trials show the power of faith. May it be God's will. Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment) Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 325	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:56:29 - [27] - Quote Between Mr. Onzo and Lady Rkard, I think everything that needs to be said has been. I would advise my flock to follow the example of Her Majesty in cases like these: When Mex the Heretic attacked Her Majesty in public and in the forums of New Eden, she ignored him, because he was insignificant. Max could no more harm or impinge the Empress than a single fly could bring down the golden towers of Dam-Torsad. A single Caldari or anyone else, for that matter, making such foolish and uneducated statements on the IGS is even less of a concern than Max is. Yes, they are our allies, for now, and we should expect some level of decency from the State, however, worry yourself not with the insignificant mewling of a single pilot. It's clear that no mere words will cause Mr. Kraid to change his mind. So, I will leave the faithful with the old adage that one should never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Xindi Kraid Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 1056	Posted - 2015.10.17 21:56:45 - [28] - Quote I had a quoted out post, but it was lost to a communications error. I would like to thank Onzo for actually bearing with me and explaining things. I think maybe I understand a bit more even if I still remain largely ignorant, and I appreciate him taking the time to explain where everyone else has just said I have no faith and I don't understand without bothering to educate me so that I might actually gain those things. The God's will/plan/etc. makes a bit more sense now, and how it relates to things, though as an ignorant outside. I still must ask, though, don't you think, if this really was a bad choice, that Khanid will get exactly what he deserves? Also, I wasn't trying to question your faith. In fact, I think faith is important, whether or not it is attached to a religion or the divine, since faith is little different than trust and we can't have a functioning society without that. What I take massive issue with is when people alter facts to support beliefs, when, as a scientist, the first duty is to let fact inform beliefs, and be prepared to let go of what you think is true in light of new data. I will exit the discussion and apologize for a poor choice of words, but I won't apologize for sticking my nose in your business and asking about recent events in your politics. As is the way of the Summit, not so long ago you were discussing the politics of other nations even occasionally interjecting with regards to the turmoil the State endured in recent history.
Utari Onzo Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 714	Posted - 2015.10.17 22:05:04 - [29] - Quote Thank you Mr Kraid. I hope we can both move on from this small spat on a simple forum, and as I posted earlier engage in more constructive debate in the future to each side's satisfaction. While I have no doubts attempting to convert you would be quite the methaphorical mountain to climb, I hope that you won't be afraid to ask me in the future if you would like any other clarification and understanding on the way we see things and operate. I would naturally reciprocate on advice regarding the State, but as a former resident I think my bias and understanding there has already firmly been ingrained. Perhaps a chat over tea about Drifters some time? "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 325	Posted - 2015.10.17 22:09:23 - [30] - Quote "Facts - the chain of consciousness and truth mist. Human of faith see through the facts, and the world is changing its image" Sometime I too believed in ... Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110 Empress capsuleer. CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. "All these wayward children."
Xindi Kraid Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 1060	Posted - 2015.10.17 22:23:29 - [31] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Thank you Mr Kraid. I hope we can both move on from this small spat on a simple forum, and as I posted earlier engage in more constructive debate in the future to each side's satisfaction. While I have no doubts attempting to convert you would be quite the methaphorical mountain to climb, I hope that you won't be afraid to ask me in the future if you would like any other clarification and understanding on the way we see things and operate. I would naturally reciprocate on advice regarding the State, but as a former resident I think my bias and understanding there has already firmly been ingrained. Perhaps a chat over tea about Drifters some time? Of course, If you ever pass though Irjunen, feel free to stop by my office. I always appreciate a good discourse, especially when it is instructive. and again thank you for actually putting up with this idiot when it's far too easy to ignore a problem and hope it sorts itself out.
Ascentior PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 217	Posted - 2015.10.17 22:23:51 - [32] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: The God's will/plan/etc. makes a bit more sense now, and how it relates to things, though as an ignorant outside. I still must ask, though, don't you think, if this really was a bad choice, that Khanid will get exactly what he deserves? Good question. It's important to note that is not simply enough to have faith. We must also act on our faith. Lest we all sit around the fire waiting for God to smite the enemy that has surrounded us. It is every Amarrian's duty to act as the embodiment of God's plan. And it is plain to see that we are not given daily instructions, but must look to scripture, our past, our leaders, and the universe for guidance. And be prepared to have our faith tested, have our mistakes laid before us, only when it is all laid bare, can we hope to know God. Quote: "Which test reveals more of the soul, the test that a man will take to prove his faith, or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven? If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure. The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 5:14 Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment) Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 325	Posted - 2015.10.17 22:47:43 - [33] - Quote Ascentior wrote: Quote: "Which test reveals more of the soul, the test that a man will take to prove his faith, or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven? If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure. The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 5:14 No of belief, not in God. no faith in the heirs. For me, of them no one is deserve to be on a golden throne. Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110 Empress capsuleer. CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. "All these wayward children."
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2473	Posted - 2015.10.18 01:07:21 - [34] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: In this instance, though, I will say this: I do find Lieutenant Kernher's reaction understandable in one part, and curious in another. On one hand, an imperial heir selecting an overt Blood Raider who has engaged in ritual sacrifice is something that warrants inquiry; on the other hand, her seeming refusal to accept the Theology Council's decision that King Khanid II is indeed an imperial heir seems curious. No righteous Amarr will recognize Khanid as heir, nor as emperor. He is a traitor and heretic that has clearly used his time since Her Imperial Majesty's forgiveness to plant seeds of corruption in the Empire to try and validate his wickedness. Khanid as heir, and Tetrimon suppression edict lifted? No one but the emperor of Amarr may order these things! There are demons infesting the highest levels of the Empire. It is the Red Chamberlain, all over again. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 329	Posted - 2015.10.18 01:57:51 - [35] - Quote We do not know what edicts the Empress issued in the event of her death, which she knew was coming.
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 376	Posted - 2015.10.18 02:40:10 - [36] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: In this instance, though, I will say this: I do find Lieutenant Kernher's reaction understandable in one part, and curious in another. On one hand, an imperial heir selecting an overt Blood Raider who has engaged in ritual sacrifice is something that warrants inquiry; on the other hand, her seeming refusal to accept the Theology Council's decision that King Khanid II is indeed an imperial heir seems curious. No righteous Amarr will recognize Khanid as heir, nor as emperor. He is a traitor and heretic that has clearly used his time since Her Imperial Majesty's forgiveness to plant seeds of corruption in the Empire to try and validate his wickedness. Khanid as heir, and Tetrimon suppression edict lifted? No one but the emperor of Amarr may order these things! There are demons infesting the highest levels of the Empire. It is the Red Chamberlain, all over again. Those are heavy accusations, Lieutenant, that should not be made lightly. I would suggest that we should adopt a bit more of a wait and see approach to these admittedly disturbing events. The right course for Amarr will make itself clear. That said, the issue of Khanid having selected a heretic as a potential champion is cut and dry. Open supporters of heresy have no place in a Holy Rite such as the Succession Trials. I seriously hope that Khanid is unaware of Edeity's allegiance and that he immediately works to show that his selection of a heretic was not the insult to everything holy that it appears to be. Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2474	Posted - 2015.10.18 03:06:55 - [37] - Quote As you say, my lord. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 1425	Posted - 2015.10.18 06:46:35 - [38] - Quote Let the boy keep whatever company he wishes. Our paths will eventually need to cross, and I assure you my twin swords of judgement will cut him down so thoroughly that all will mistake him for a beggar, crawling on his knees. ~
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 263	Posted - 2015.10.18 08:52:45 - [39] - Quote I didn't even want to speak on this because really. There is a difference between Blood Raiders and Sani Sabik. This guy is a Blood Raider, loyal to Omir Sarikusa, like me. We live in Delve. We are in the boons out here. We are here to make isk and praise red god. You Amarrians are going to say you kicked Omir Sarikusa out of the bleak lands, but really? Really? The bleak lands don't have half as many resources as Delve. Elise and pl want to front like they run Delve. Ha! Please! Blood Raiders run Delve! And we kill and do more than any other faction out here. And we still find the time to do raids in Amarr, Domain, high security space... Next time you see a Blood Raider in space and you want to shoot, just remember we have our own space here in Delve. We don't even need Khanid. Khanid bows to us!
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 263	Posted - 2015.10.18 08:54:35 - [40] - Quote Elise Randolph wrote: Let the boy keep whatever company he wishes. Our paths will eventually need to cross, and I assure you my twin swords of judgement will cut him down so thoroughly that all will mistake him for a beggar, crawling on his knees. STFU
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1434	Posted - 2015.10.18 09:31:10 - [41] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: I had a quoted out post, but it was lost to a communications error. I would like to thank Onzo for actually bearing with me and explaining things. I think maybe I understand a bit more even if I still remain largely ignorant, and I appreciate him taking the time to explain where everyone else has just said I have no faith and I don't understand without bothering to educate me so that I might actually gain those things. The God's will/plan/etc. makes a bit more sense now, and how it relates to things, though as an ignorant outside. I still must ask, though, don't you think, if this really was a bad choice, that Khanid will get exactly what he deserves? I do not... uh... personally subscribe to Mr Onzo intepretation of God. There is Creation, and there is the Divine, or God. God is what the Amarr dogma makes it to be at any time. Finding God is a long and arduous process that is the root of every Amarr life. Finding God can only be accomplished through a better understanding of Creation. God is not the same depending on every individual, or every heterodoxy. God is legion in every mind, an infinite of facets reflected in every individual. God though, eventually, is called to become one and a single one at the end of our journey. It is not a matter of micromanagement and anthropomorphic sky idolatry that only belong to individual fatherly beliefs, but of theological essence. For some that way, Khanid II being brought once again in the Succession Trials is righteous and part of God's plan. For some others, it is not. Eventually, it is a matter of dogma. What the TC says on the matter, is what God should be for Amarr at the time being, and what God's plan is. And it might change and be corrected at some point in the future, the same way Scripture is always kept in motion, and the same way any Emperor can undo what his predecessor did. Justifications of 'resurrections', avoidance of Shatol'Syn, and all political related matters are eventually tied to the laws written by man in accordance to God's plan. Nobody ever claimed that men's struggles are immune to apparent hypocrisy. Even the Amarr are not exempt of sin and mistakes. The Amarr remain pilgrims stumbling and getting back up on the road to the Divine.
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Interstellar Survey and Security 662	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:12:22 - [42] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: No righteous Amarr will recognize Khanid as heir, nor as emperor. He is a traitor and heretic that has clearly used his time since Her Imperial Majesty's forgiveness to plant seeds of corruption in the Empire to try and validate his wickedness. Khanid as heir, and Tetrimon suppression edict lifted? No one but the emperor of Amarr may order these things! There are demons infesting the highest levels of the Empire. It is the Red Chamberlain, all over again. Empress Jamyl welcomed King Khanid and his people back into the Empire. The Privy Council and Theological Council have declared him an Heir. Both Councils are overseeing the selection process. A wise pilot knows that our public facade is not always what we are in private. Did you consider that this pilot might, for example, have been working for one of many Imperial or Kingdom intelligence agencies? It matters not. I find you lacking in Faith. I do not care for what your personal opinions are regarding my King. But he is Amarr. He is an Heir and God-willing, he may end up our Emperor. You on the other hand are a Matari commoner, one step away from a Cleansing Pit. Your lack of honor and obedience to the Empire and our Faith has been noted. This is not the first time you have made public declarations against those who have been proven loyal to the Empire. This is not the first time you have questioned openly the decisions of your betters. Further, your disloyalty to the Councils, Privy and Theological, are not just a reflection of your own base willfullness, but also reflect on your House, your Corp and those you would call friends, family and allies. Must we call into question their loyalty based on your words? Is your treason a reflection of their lack of properly educating you, or do they share in your slanderous, vile, evil and corrupt musings? This is the last time I will provide you with correction here. Repent. Do it now or pay the price for your betrayal to God and Empire. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 392	Posted - 2015.10.18 17:19:20 - [43] - Quote Given that Lieutenant Kernher has already been corrected publicly by her superiors in this thread for being too quick to assume major corruption at work in the selection of Khanid as heir, I wonder if you are just trying to pick a fight with the Praetorians as a whole, Mr. Mokk. You do not have the authority to order one of my pilots to repent. I suggest you back off. Now. It is especially rich that you presume to order a Praetorian to repent while concocting rich spy thriller fantasies to justify the perversion of an open heretic participating in this ritual. Samira is right to be upset about that, as well as at the massive irregularity of this whole process so far. This is true even if she was rash to jump to assuming corruption as the explanation for Khanid's status as heir. Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Mighty Wings. 5851	Posted - 2015.10.18 17:30:20 - [44] - Quote Given that they've brought Shathol'Syn back in its entirety, it'll be interesting to see if Garkeh Khanid actually follows through this time. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Interstellar Survey and Security 663	Posted - 2015.10.18 17:59:45 - [45] - Quote Gaven Lok'ri wrote: Given that Lieutenant Kernher has already been corrected publicly by her superiors in this thread for being too quick to assume major corruption at work in the selection of Khanid as heir, I wonder if you are just trying to pick a fight with the Praetorians as a whole, Mr. Mokk. You do not have the authority to order one of my pilots to repent. I suggest you back off. Now. It is especially rich that you presume to order a Praetorian to repent while concocting rich spy thriller fantasies to justify the perversion of an open heretic participating in this ritual. Samira is right to be upset about that, as well as at the massive irregularity of this whole process so far. This is true even if she was rash to jump to assuming corruption as the explanation for Khanid's status as heir. My dear Lord Admiral, Given that this is not the first time that the Lieutenant has made disparaging public remarks against King Khanid, our people and our relationship to the Empire, I will humbly suggest that the problem resides within her. I and others have only responded to her words, not instigated. This is a matter of public record. As a Khanid and former Praetorian, her words are a deadly insult to my King, my People, my God and my Honor. But as a Khanid and former Praetorian, I will obey your suggestion to allow this matter to be handled internally. I would humbly suggest that any Amarr who has an issue with the selection process for the Trials, obey the rulings of both Councils and follow the chain of command to register any complaints. Open defiance in a public forum is most...unseemly... Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 534	Posted - 2015.10.18 19:35:13 - [46] - Quote Moments ago on 1919 Hours on 2015.10.18, over 1,000,000 Slaves were sacrificed to the Red God in order that he bless Team edeity and the future Red Emperor, King Khanid, in the upcoming succession trials. These slaves, these filthy Minmatar subhumans, were purchased some months ago at bargain blowout prices at M-N7WD VIII - Moon 12 - Dominations Assembly Plant. Now the opportunity has presented itself for them to glorify God in their destruction. Faced with the formidable logistics of slave sacrifice at such a remote location, I decided not to give these slaves a death in space, but instead they were fed directly into the station's trash compactor, alive, a horrific act that shocked even the Angels working the station. Despite these unusual conditions, be assured that proper sacred consecrations were performed over the slaves in order that they be a worthy sacrifice onto the Red God. With this ritual sacrifice, surely, God will lead the future Red Emperor, King Khanid, and his Champion edeity to victory. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 267	Posted - 2015.10.18 19:39:31 - [47] - Quote They sell slaves at blowout prices in Delve too you know.
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 332	Posted - 2015.10.18 19:40:24 - [48] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: As a Khanid and former Praetorian, her words are a deadly insult to my King, my People, my God and my Honor. But as a Khanid and former Praetorian, I will obey your suggestion to allow this matter to be handled internally. I would humbly suggest that any Amarr who has an issue with the selection process for the Trials, obey the rulings of both Councils and follow the chain of command to register any complaints. Open defiance in a public forum is most...unseemly... Oh get over it. There's always a significant amount of posturing, factionalism, bickering, and insults that happen in the run up to the trials. Always. In the end, we all come together to support the new Emperor, except for this one time. . . . The amount of whining by the Khanid does their king no credit.
Avio Yaken Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 2146	Posted - 2015.10.18 19:41:28 - [49] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Moments ago on 1919 Hours on 2015.10.18, over 1,000,000 Slaves were sacrificed to the Red God in order that he bless Team edeity and the future Red Emperor, King Khanid, in the upcoming succession trials. These slaves, these filthy Minmatar subhumans, were purchased some months ago at bargain blowout prices at M-N7WD VIII - Moon 12 - Dominations Assembly Plant. Now the opportunity has presented itself for them to glorify God in their destruction. Faced with the formidable logistics of slave sacrifice at such a remote location, I decided not to give these slaves a death in space, but instead they were fed directly into the station's trash compactor, alive, a horrific act that shocked even the Angels working the station. Despite these unusual conditions, be assured that proper sacred consecrations were performed over the slaves in order that they be a worthy sacrifice onto the Red God. With this ritual sacrifice, surely, God will lead the future Red Emperor, King Khanid, and his Champion edeity to victory. Amen. Amarr Victor. Also BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA (.___________________________________________.)/
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 326	Posted - 2015.10.18 20:54:00 - [50] - Quote Khanid. Snake emperor on the throne of. (clone himself, have supporters among Blood Raiders) Ardishapur. Fanatic emperor on the throne of. (A false belief in the flesh and not in the human soul) Kor-Azor. The demon in human form emperor on the throne of. (a little confidence, and if he had not killed the demon within yourself) Tash-Murkon. Tycoon Empress on the throne of. (money and power) Sarum. The boy emperor on the throne of. (No experience in politicians him will be eaten) Kador. Bad warlord emperor on the throne of. (not worthy to be as his ancestor Heideran VII) Continue to support such colorful heirs. I present that someone of them will be the Emperor, becomes terrible about the future the Empire. Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110 Empress capsuleer. CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. "All these wayward children."
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Interstellar Survey and Security 664	Posted - 2015.10.18 22:23:33 - [51] - Quote Alizebeth Amalath wrote: Sinjin Mokk wrote: As a Khanid and former Praetorian, her words are a deadly insult to my King, my People, my God and my Honor. But as a Khanid and former Praetorian, I will obey your suggestion to allow this matter to be handled internally. I would humbly suggest that any Amarr who has an issue with the selection process for the Trials, obey the rulings of both Councils and follow the chain of command to register any complaints. Open defiance in a public forum is most...unseemly... Oh get over it. There's always a significant amount of posturing, factionalism, bickering, and insults that happen in the run up to the trials. Always. In the end, we all come together to support the new Emperor, except for this one time. . . . The amount of whining by the Khanid does their king no credit. I am satisfied that the Lord Admiral will attend to his pilot's lapse in judgement. If she, like many others, were to call into question Jamyl Sarum's fitness to rule, I think you would be equally vocal. We serve God and Emperor. This is unconditional. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 392	Posted - 2015.10.18 22:32:02 - [52] - Quote So long as Khanid continues to have Ediety as a potential Champion, I will be echoing questions of Khanid's fitness to rule. This is a cut and dry issue, a blood raider champion is unacceptable and any victory by said figure will be illegitimate by nature. I can only hope that Khanid will remove him. Barring that, I can only hope that he loses early in the championship. What I will not support is the idea that this means there is corruption at the highest levels of the system. That charge is weighty and should be kept quiet unless it has clear and irrefutable evidence that demands action. Ediety actively winning the championship would in and of itself qualify as clear and irrefutable evidence that the ceremony and those involved in its management were corrupted. Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 332	Posted - 2015.10.18 22:42:15 - [53] - Quote Gaven Lok'ri wrote: So long as Khanid continues to have Ediety as a potential Champion, I will be echoing questions of Khanid's fitness to rule. This is a cut and dry issue, a blood raider champion is unacceptable and any victory by said figure will be illegitimate by nature. I can only hope that Khanid will remove him. Barring that, I can only hope that he loses early in the championship. What I will not support is the idea that this means there is corruption at the highest levels of the system. That charge is weighty and should be kept quiet unless it has clear and irrefutable evidence that demands action. We, as Holy Mother of the Order of Jamyl, echo this as our official policy. There are a great many things happening and I will be patient to see what Her Majesty had ordered upon her death.
Yockerbow Aliastra Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:03:34 - [54] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Given that they've brought Shathol'Syn back in its entirety, it'll be interesting to see if Garkeh Khanid actually follows through this time. Or abolishes the practice if he wins. That being said, I find it amazing that anyone is taking this as a surprise. Khanid has always been known for practicality; he'll use what works and to hell with "how it looks." On a side note, it's also quite humorous how so many pilots here seem to think that disagreement equals disrespect.
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Interstellar Survey and Security 664	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:40:56 - [55] - Quote Gaven Lok'ri wrote: So long as Khanid continues to have Ediety as a potential Champion, I will be echoing questions of Khanid's fitness to rule. This is a cut and dry issue, a blood raider champion is unacceptable and any victory by said figure will be illegitimate by nature. I can only hope that Khanid will remove him. Barring that, I can only hope that he loses early in the championship. What I will not support is the idea that this means there is corruption at the highest levels of the system. That charge is weighty and should be kept quiet unless it has clear and irrefutable evidence that demands action. Ediety actively winning the championship would in and of itself qualify as clear and irrefutable evidence that the ceremony and those involved in its management were corrupted. So in short, you have no faith in the Privy or Theology Council? If the Lord you support does not win, you will see it as a sign of corruption and not the Will of God? Perhaps my earlier words were correct. I urge faith. Faith in God and Empire. We are at war, besieged by enemies on all fronts. We do not need dissection and insurrection from within. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2477	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:47:27 - [56] - Quote No Khanid loyalist can claim faith in either God or Empire. Nor can he comment on the faith of those who remained true to Amarr. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 219	Posted - 2015.10.19 00:29:51 - [57] - Quote Spreading accusations left and right is beyond unwise, especially if they are targeted at royal heirs. This shouldn't have been made into public showcasing in the first place.
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 397	Posted - 2015.10.19 02:34:57 - [58] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: So in short, you have no faith in the Privy or Theology Council? If the Lord you support does not win, you will see it as a sign of corruption and not the Will of God? Perhaps my earlier words were correct. I urge faith. Faith in God and Empire. We are at war, besieged by enemies on all fronts. We do not need dissection and insurrection from within. I have faith that they will do the right thing and make sure that a blood raider is not responsible for the helping chose the next Emperor. My sincere expectation is that this is merely an oversight on their part that will be rectified. I also have faith that if the ritual of the Holy Succession is done properly, the blood raider will not manage to win even if he is allowed to compete. It is only a problem if my faith on both issues is misplaced. But if that faith is misplaced and the ritual is allowed to be corrupted to such an extent that a blood raider is allowed to win it... well I lived through the Red Chancellor and I will not suffer a Red Emperor. Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Kador Ouryon Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 26	Posted - 2015.10.19 02:35:13 - [59] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Gaven Lok'ri wrote: So long as Khanid continues to have Ediety as a potential Champion, I will be echoing questions of Khanid's fitness to rule. This is a cut and dry issue, a blood raider champion is unacceptable and any victory by said figure will be illegitimate by nature. I can only hope that Khanid will remove him. Barring that, I can only hope that he loses early in the championship. What I will not support is the idea that this means there is corruption at the highest levels of the system. That charge is weighty and should be kept quiet unless it has clear and irrefutable evidence that demands action. Ediety actively winning the championship would in and of itself qualify as clear and irrefutable evidence that the ceremony and those involved in its management were corrupted. So in short, you have no faith in the Privy or Theology Council? If the Lord you support does not win, you will see it as a sign of corruption and not the Will of God? Perhaps my earlier words were correct. I urge faith. Faith in God and Empire. We are at war, besieged by enemies on all fronts. We do not need dissection and insurrection from within. One might assume that King Khanid would have had the good sense to understand that any victories attained through the efforts of a Sani Sabik representative would only create a slew of negative feelings surrounding his decisions as a participant in the Succession Trials. Any division here is as a result of a simple choice the good King has made of which the repercussions are very implicit.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1435	Posted - 2015.10.19 09:25:28 - [60] - Quote Oversight, from the TC and the PC altogether? Also, how could a succession ritual prevent a blood raider to win when the trials are from what I understand, mere capsuleer combat in an arena? This thread is becoming increasingly confusing...
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 404	Posted - 2015.10.19 09:55:17 - [61] - Quote The events of the trial when it is a properly administered holy rite are the manifestation of the will of God. In a proper succession trial it is as much the hand of God that chooses the victor as it is personal skill. A blood raider choosing the next emperor cannot be the will of God. If such a thing happens, it is a dark sign that cancers in the system must be rooted out by the faithful. A blood corrupted trial would be the greatest threat to the Amarrian Empire since the days of Molok or the Usurper who cannot be named. A blood corrupted succession trial would demand the execution of whatever usurper the corrupted trial appointed to the throne, as well as all of those involved in allowing the holy rituals to be corrupted. I pray that it does not come to such a dire pass and that the sanctity of the holy succession trials is confirmed with the disqualification or defeat of the blood raider scum. Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Sinti Vailatti Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration 50	Posted - 2015.10.19 12:10:33 - [62] - Quote Gaven Lok'ri wrote: The events of the trial when it is a properly administered holy rite are the manifestation of the will of God. In a proper succession trial it is as much the hand of God that chooses the victor as it is personal skill. A blood raider choosing the next emperor cannot be the will of God. If such a thing happens, it is a dark sign that cancers in the system must be rooted out by the faithful. A blood corrupted trial would be the greatest threat to the Amarrian Empire since the days of Molok or the Usurper who cannot be named. A blood corrupted succession trial would demand the execution of whatever usurper the corrupted trial appointed to the throne, as well as all of those involved in allowing the holy rituals to be corrupted. I pray that it does not come to such a dire pass and that the sanctity of the holy succession trials is confirmed with the disqualification or defeat of the blood raider scum. Oh please. Let's take a look at some of the other "champions." House Ardishapur? Zealot and Venix are known NullSec pirates. House Kor-Azor? Morgaine Mighthammer is also a NullSec operative, more interested in setting up "Free Ports" than having anything to do with the Empire. Lysus? Another pirate. House Sarum? 3/4 pirates. House Tash-Murkon? 3 NullSec pirates and a Matari professor. House Kador? Really? Two Gallente, a pirate and MAX F*UCKING SINGULARITY!?!? Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED. The Trials are not a question of who is right, but who is left. When I was a slave, if I said half the crap that PIE members have said in this thread, I would have had my tongue cut out. We serve God we serve the Empire. So serve and stop acting like a bunch of Gallente. This the Trials, not an election. GÇ£Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.GÇ¥
Leopold Caine Stillwater Corporation 602	Posted - 2015.10.19 12:15:40 - [63] - Quote Awkward. I'll suppose Gerkeh isn't actually a Sabik sleeper agent as some blooders are trying to make him ( Red Emperor? Seriously? ) and further suppose he and his administration will keep quiet, hoping Mr. Edeity will fall out of the tourney via... natural selection. Then we can go back to pretending it never happened. If that doesn't happen... well, then it will really be a problem. Looking forward to seeing how this one plays out. Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Alar Chakaid Royal Khanid Navy Khanid Kingdom 4	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:10:51 - [64] - Quote Prattle. Lord Alar Chakaid Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid
Skyweir Kinnison King's Irregular Lancers 102	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:15:22 - [65] - Quote Alar Chakaid wrote: Prattle. Profound. Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Goldfinch Order of Jamyl 473	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:29:58 - [66] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: NullSec pirates. ... 3 NullSec pirates and a Matari professor. ... Two Gallente, a pirate and MAX FUCKING SINGULARITY!?!? ... Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED. ... We serve God we serve the Empire. So serve and stop acting like a bunch of Gallente. This the Trials, not an election. 1. The Matari professor is a pagan, and the Gallente are likely agnostics or atheists. These people have religious or a-religious beliefs of their own and it makes no sense to judge them just* on their faith. They may have ulterior motives for participating, but we have no information to make that judgment or level accusations. 2. The pirates are infidels.. those who do not believe in God's Word and oppose the Empire with violence. Infidels do not exist in specific opposition to Amarr. They simply serve the (albeit mistaken) premises of their own culture. The motivations of these so-called pirates are not known, and stereotyping them is an amateur's mistake. 3. Sani Sabik, and by extension Blood Raiders are heretics. They exist in direct opposition of the Amarr Religion, and in direct opposition to God. Sani Sabik have conspired to throw the Empire into chaos at the highest of levels. Blood Raiders have specifically targeted the Amarr as recently as this week. Every Sani Sabik and every Blood Raider is an enemy of the Empire, an enemy of the Throne, and an enemy of God. By our religious law, their sentence is death. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance --The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45 4. Max Singularity is a heretic, no doubt. But he is also of partially royal blood, as per his claims which we do not dispute. His assault upon the Holy Office of Jamyl was an assault on the Amarr Faith itself, but his heresy has no lineage in the same way the Sani Sabik do. Clemency for his acts are within the purview of the Councils and not for us to discuss further. We are not sure if your false equivalency is an honest mistake or intellectual dishonesty. If you were once a slave, then it seems like the process of your Reclaiming did not contain any lessons to educate you on the simplest of Theological distinctions. Otherwise, how is it possible that you think that pagans, atheists, and infidels are in any way similar or the same as heretics.. much less heretics who once compromised the Throne and Empire itself. GÇï Sinjin Mokk wrote: A wise pilot knows that our public facade is not always what we are in private. Did you consider that this pilot might, for example, have been working for one of many Imperial or Kingdom intelligence agencies? Lord Mokk, could you explain why this hypothetical intelligence agent would blow his cover by volunteering himself as a champion in a spectacularly public, holy Amarr ceremony? Blind obedience to the Theology Council or the Privy Council is not a requirement of being Amarr. Our Faith is not blind. Our Faith belongs first and foremost to God, and if we feel that any entity under God.. and that includes the Theology Council.. is working against God then it is our duty to serve God above anything and anyone else. We live righteously and in the fear of God. Do you, Lord Mokk? Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good. Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land. The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood. But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God. Thus they were saved and became God's chosen. --The Scriptures, Book II 2:1 \J/ veiled and bound my origin story (on R109)
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1674	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:42:21 - [67] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Oh please. Let's take a look at some of the other "champions." House Ardishapur? Zealot and Venix are known NullSec pirates. House Kor-Azor? Morgaine Mighthammer is also a NullSec operative, more interested in setting up "Free Ports" than having anything to do with the Empire. Lysus? Another pirate. House Sarum? 3/4 pirates. House Tash-Murkon? 3 NullSec pirates and a Matari professor. House Kador? Really? Two Gallente, a pirate and MAX F*UCKING SINGULARITY!?!? Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED. The Trials are not a question of who is right, but who is left. When I was a slave, if I said half the crap that PIE members have said in this thread, I would have had my tongue cut out. We serve God we serve the Empire. So serve and stop acting like a bunch of Gallente. This the Trials, not an election. This seems like a sign of increasingly chaotic times. Against people like these, relying on the well-intentioned might just be a sign of terminal naivete. Perhaps this is partly a test of the Heirs' ability to use ruthless means to principled ends. I wonder, though, whether, in situations where champions stood for the Heirs, there hasn't always been a lot of this. If you want someone who will fight for your life with utter ferocity, you might not want a shining paladin so much as a stained killer. Reading Lady Rkard's thoughts, though, selecting a Sani champion does seem....
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 333	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:42:51 - [68] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Oh please. Let's take a look at some of the other "champions." House Ardishapur? Zealot and Venix are known NullSec pirates. House Kor-Azor? Morgaine Mighthammer is also a NullSec operative, more interested in setting up "Free Ports" than having anything to do with the Empire. Lysus? Another pirate. House Sarum? 3/4 pirates. House Tash-Murkon? 3 NullSec pirates and a Matari professor. House Kador? Really? Two Gallente, a pirate and MAX F*UCKING SINGULARITY!?!? Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED. The Trials are not a question of who is right, but who is left. When I was a slave, if I said half the crap that PIE members have said in this thread, I would have had my tongue cut out. We serve God we serve the Empire. So serve and stop acting like a bunch of Gallente. This the Trials, not an election. About the fine. So I suspected with the departure of Jamyl, the Empire is going to hell. Now do not faithful paladins will participate in the fate of the Empire. And the bandits, murderers, and Mysterious the unknown ouououou "the drifters". Long live ! next false Emperor. Thank God she does not see it all. She found a lost paradise. Where will come true all her hopes and dreams. Oh, but I look at it another 4 months, I envy her. Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110 Empress capsuleer. CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. "All these wayward children."
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 405	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:43:48 - [69] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED. Are you seriously suggesting that criminals who are primarily guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots are equivalent to a Blood Raider? Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1435	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:50:44 - [70] - Quote Perhaps, besides all the demanded claims of loyalty and required (easily farmable..) standings to the Amarr Empire, all these champions are nothing more than combat hounds thrown in a pit to decide the fate of the Throne, much like people bet on furriers. And fickle freelance capsuleers not exactly famous for their sticking loyalties and knowing perfectly they will never be part of any official entity of any faction that they claim supporting... In such a view, does it matter so much where their so called sympathies lie? Gaven Lok'ri wrote: Sinti Vailatti wrote: Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED. Are you seriously suggesting that criminals who are primarily guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots are equivalent to a Blood Raider? Are you suggesting that a freelance capsuleers probably only guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots that felt to write something in his public record about supporting Sarikusa, is a Blood Raider...? Might be though, did he run missions for them?
Skyweir Kinnison King's Irregular Lancers 103	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:06:24 - [71] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: Perhaps, besides all the demanded claims of loyalty and required (easily farmable..) standings to the Amarr Empire, all these champions are nothing more than combat hounds thrown in a pit to decide the fate of the Throne, much like people bet on furriers. And fickle freelance capsuleers not exactly famous for their sticking loyalties and knowing perfectly they will never be part of any official entity of any faction that they claim supporting... In such a view, does it matter so much where their so called sympathies lie? As an interested observer, I find myself convinced by the arguments put forth by Lieutenant Onzo and Lady Rkard, that such mercenaries are perfectly acceptable within tradition to be champions for the Heirs. I reflect on the Mannar sagas from when we were a monarchy. The crown was often won in bloody warfare - great contending armies rather than individual champions - and these battles were not gilded events peopled by shining silver knights (save in poetry) but violent, brutal, horrific affairs between entitled thugs, impressed peasants and yes, hordes of mercenaries, bought and paid for. Having said that, I think there is a strong argument, when considering the theological role of the Emperor, to view a heretical champion as deeply worrying. A temporal crown may rely on brutes - the spiritual guidance of an entire people must, perforce, be unblemished. Lady Rkard explains this extremely well for we unbelievers. Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2482	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:34:09 - [72] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: When I was a slave, if I said half the crap that PIE members have said in this thread, I would have had my tongue cut out. When I was a slave, my tongue would have been cut out for even saying the name "Garkeh Khanid", because he was struck from the Book of Records for treason and heresy. Unlike you, when I was a slave, I was raised to uphold the faith. I would be whipped for staying silent against heresy, not for speaking! All citizens of the Empire are called upon to expose evil, not to allow it to thrive in our midst! Today I am a capsuleer, and I use my tongue to say what everyone in the Empire has been thinking ever since your wicked king was allowed to step one foot into hallowed Amarr. "His Majesty" has spit on the forgiveness he was gifted. Quote: We serve God we serve the Empire. No, you do not. You, and Mokk, and all those like you, are the servants of a fiend. We are not united in faith. You are infidels that hid your evil under the skirt of Her Imperial Majesty's mercy. But she is gone now, and now we can all see the rot you are festering. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 411	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:42:44 - [73] - Quote Lyn, before you continue to act as if Edeity is anything less than a clear heretic of the worst sort, I suggest you look at his own post in which he applied for the position. Some relevant highlights for you. Quote: I pen this letter clad in my only real possession, a prayer robe. Caked in blood both old and fresh of rebels, heretics, traitors, pirates and beings lesser of race, dogma or belief. Like all of my order, I am sworn to three vows. Obedience. Humility. Poverty. The very definition of selflessness, there is no pride or ambition within this soul nor these words. This instrument is yours, to serve as our Lord and future Emperor sees fit. Quote: Pax Domini Garkeh Khanid. Pax Sanguinis Emperor. The translation of the latter is "Peace of the Lord Garkeh Khanid/ Peace of the Red Emperor" There is also the matter of his public support for a massacre of Slaves in a public sacrifice in Arzad several years back. Quote: The primitive moralising of the Theology Council blind you brother. All serve the divine purpose. For some this purpose is to give of themselves in a great act of donation. This is not a lowly act, it was helping guide these souls to the fulfillment of the greatest and truest moment of their lives. I cry with happiness at this momentous event. We all should. This is not a run of the mil pirate, this is a man who runs around in a blood caked sacrificial robe. The one point you have made so far that is accurate is that it is unlikely that this is an oversight, given that he announced his support for a Red Emperor and his belief that Khanid was that Red Emperor in his very announcement post. I pray that it was an oversight, but prayer is about the best I can muster on this point. Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 417	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:59:02 - [74] - Quote Alar Chakaid wrote: Prattle. Lord Alar Chakaid Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid I would suggest that this is an ill advised response given the situation. When does this scandal your King has created rate more than "prattle"? Are you going to pretend to be surprised when your would be champion attempts to blood the contestants killed in the Holy Succession trial, as he has publicly stated he would? Will it still be prattle then, as Khanid's chosen contestant actively brings blood raider practice into the holiest of rituals? Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 566	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:01:09 - [75] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: Perhaps, besides all the demanded claims of loyalty and required (easily farmable..) standings to the Amarr Empire, all these champions are nothing more than combat hounds thrown in a pit to decide the fate of the Throne, much like people bet on furriers. And fickle freelance capsuleers not exactly famous for their sticking loyalties and knowing perfectly they will never be part of any official entity of any faction that they claim supporting... In such a view, does it matter so much where their so called sympathies lie? Gaven Lok'ri wrote: Sinti Vailatti wrote: Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED. Are you seriously suggesting that criminals who are primarily guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots are equivalent to a Blood Raider? Are you suggesting that a freelance capsuleers probably only guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots that felt to write something in his public record about supporting Sarikusa, is a Blood Raider...? Might be though, did he run missions for them? Adepta Farel, It does matter when it is a professed Blood Raider and Omir sycopant. This is the agenda of the person in question " Peace of the Lord Garkeh Khanid/ Peace of the Red Emperor". I expect the Society will shortly be issuing a more formal communication our position in this matter to the appropriate authorities. It is my hope that once the appropriate authorities are notified of this apparent oversight, appropriate action will be taken. Directrix Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 220	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:12:40 - [76] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Sinti Vailatti wrote: When I was a slave, if I said half the crap that PIE members have said in this thread, I would have had my tongue cut out. When I was a slave, my tongue would have been cut out for even saying the name "Garkeh Khanid", because he was struck from the Book of Records for treason and heresy. Unlike you, when I was a slave, I was raised to uphold the faith. I would be whipped for staying silent against heresy, not for speaking! All citizens of the Empire are called upon to expose evil, not to allow it to thrive in our midst! Today I am a capsuleer, and I use my tongue to say what everyone in the Empire has been thinking ever since your wicked king was allowed to step one foot into hallowed Amarr. "His Majesty" has spit on the forgiveness he was gifted. There is right time, place and people for such things. What you are doing right now is jumping above your station even before your betters had any say in the matter. Lord Ardishapur didn't make his official statement yet, same thing about MIO and Theology Council. Let the right people do their work first.
Alar Chakaid Royal Khanid Navy Khanid Kingdom 6	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:42:52 - [77] - Quote Gaven Lok'ri wrote: When does this scandal your King has created rate more than "prattle"? The only scandal I see is that in which a so-called 'Lord Admiral' allows a subordinate, of lesser blood, to manipulate him into questioning the decisions of a Royal Heir. There will be consequences for this seditious agitation against the person of His Majesty. I call upon you to disavow your words and repent your impiety in slandering a Royal Heir. As for the lesser, who dares claim that wallowing in a slime-filled egg confers special rights on an insect such as her, she is beyond redemption and taints you all. Cast her out now. For when His Majesty takes the Throne of Amarr it will be far, far too late. Lord Alar Chakaid Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 32194	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:03:26 - [78] - Quote Finally. Now this thread is worth a damn. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Seraphim Risen Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 26	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:04:04 - [79] - Quote I believe the common term for what just happened is... REKT! What's that? I'm bad posting? Okay. I'll go back to my corner now. And root quietly for Lord Kor-Azor.
Mitara Newelle PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 251	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:10:27 - [80] - Quote It would be prudent for a representative of the Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order to speak to this matter before it escalates further.
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 32197	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:11:29 - [81] - Quote Fun killer. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 269	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:14:00 - [82] - Quote Mitara Newelle wrote: It would be prudent for a representative of the Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order to speak to this matter before it escalates further. Theology Council and Ministry of Internal Order are both going to lie as usual.
Deitra Vess Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 688	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:15:00 - [83] - Quote Amarr and their collective unity and faith at work.... What a unified front.
Mitara Newelle PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 253	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:15:03 - [84] - Quote Anslo wrote: Fun killer. I approve of this moniker.
A Good Poster Hedion University Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:15:24 - [85] - Quote Mitara Newelle wrote: It would be prudent for a representative of the Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order to speak to this matter before it escalates further. It would be prudent of you to consult a cosmetologist before your fashion "individualism" escalates further.
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 32197	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:16:15 - [86] - Quote Mitara Newelle wrote: Anslo wrote: Fun killer. I approve of this moniker. Too bad the Theology Council doesn't approve a good post of yours to share. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kin Rotschreck Cartel 24	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:16:30 - [87] - Quote This appears to be a runaway court of public opinion. Neither of the men accused of heresy have had the opportunity to say a single word in their own defense. I know it must be very tempting to render judgment when the evidence seems so obvious. But we the Amarr should practice some deference to Heir Khanid because justice requires collective, not one-sided participation in the proceedings, even by the accused. Perhaps you will say I am a weak Amarr, but I don't believe that deference and respect should mean that we are somehow complacent in our Faith and dedication to God. I know all too well what happens when men of good intent and strong Faith jump to conclusions. My family was burned alive because of an accusation, a punishment made in error as it was shown by the evidence collected posthumously. It does not hurt anyone to wait and listen to what Heir Khanid and his so-called Blood Raider champion have to say as a direct response to these accusations. Until then we must fight the temptation to decide in our own minds. I must have quoted this before, and here I do so again. Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin. Be Watchful. Free Thought is the Begetter of Disorder. Be Respectful. Uniform Thought is the Way of Life. --The Scriptures, Book I, The Code of Demeanor +«+Ä+ä+Ä+é+Ä +º+ä+Æ+Ñ+É+å+¦+Ä+º+å+Ä +à+É+å+Æ +¦+Ä+ä+Ä+é+ì GïàGïàGïà ß¦âß¦¦ß¦ê ß¦¦ß¦Æß¦ê ß¦£-¦ß¦ëß¦âß¦ùß¦ëß¦ê ß¦Éß¦âß¦¦GïàGïàGïà ß¦Æß¦ÿß¦ù ß¦Æß¦á ß¦â ß¦£ß¦½ß¦Æß¦ù
A Good Poster Hedion University Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:22:33 - [88] - Quote Kin wrote: My family was burned alive because of an accusation, a punishment made in error as it was shown by the evidence collected posthumously.... I must have quoted this before, and here I do so again. Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin. Be Watchful. Free Thought is the Begetter of Disorder. Be Respectful. Uniform Thought is the Way of Life. --The Scriptures, Book I, The Code of Demeanor There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe. - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming, 25:10
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1072	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:26:55 - [89] - Quote Alar Chakaid wrote: Gaven Lok'ri wrote: When does this scandal your King has created rate more than "prattle"? The only scandal I see is that in which a so-called 'Lord Admiral' allows a subordinate, of lesser blood, to manipulate him into questioning the decisions of a Royal Heir. There will be consequences for this seditious agitation against the person of His Majesty. I call upon you to disavow your words and repent your impiety in slandering a Royal Heir. As for the lesser, who dares claim that wallowing in a slime-filled egg confers special rights on an insect such as her, she is beyond redemption and taints you all. Cast her out now. For when His Majesty takes the Throne of Amarr it will be far, far too late. Lord Alar Chakaid Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid I already knew that King Khanid II was a Rude King. And that Commodore Arraz Nomoya was also rather Rude. I see now, that Rudeness is a trait common in the Kingdom. A Rude King of a Rude Kingdom. How Rude. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 569	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:27:57 - [90] - Quote Kin wrote: Neither of the men accused of heresy have had the opportunity to say a single word in their own defense. Lady Rothshreck, Respectfully, but Edeity has had a great deal to say. edeity wrote: This is a fantastic opportunity for collection of some of the highest quality capsuleer genetic material. Please note we will bring a specialist ship fit accordingly to assist us in our research. Thank you all for your donations in advance. Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6109419#post6109419 edeity wrote: Pax Domini Garkeh Khanid. Pax Sanguinis Emperor. Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6059806#post6059806 And most damningly: edeity wrote: "In nomine domini Omir Sarikusa" Savant of Zul-Matah Source: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/edeity?_ga=1.59542957.1842000958.1434467318 He has had a lot to say and in so doing has convicted himself by his words as a follower of Omir Sarikusa.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1163	Posted - 2015.10.19 18:17:06 - [91] - Quote I urge that everyone remain calm and save their harsh words for when the trials have progressed a bit. There is a fair chance that the bridges being burnt now need not have been crossed in the first place.
Kin Rotschreck Cartel 24	Posted - 2015.10.19 18:23:35 - [92] - Quote Directrix Aspenstar, I know the quotes and I appreciate how damning it must seem, but no evidence should be weighed without a direct testimony from the accused. We must wait, be patient, and not lose our composure or our heads. We the Amarr are a noble, intensely devout people. We should not wield pitchforks and use public outcries as a platform on which to have a Theocratic discussion. I appreciate you calling me a Lady, it makes me smile. However, I am now simply a commoner and a merchant. What is left of what was once our Holdership is in ashes, and the parts of it that were untouched have long been annexed. I would be honored to show you our ancestral home, the ruins of which still stand as a testament to the will of House R+¦tschreck's forebearers. +«+Ä+ä+Ä+é+Ä +º+ä+Æ+Ñ+É+å+¦+Ä+º+å+Ä +à+É+å+Æ +¦+Ä+ä+Ä+é+ì GïàGïàGïà ß¦âß¦¦ß¦ê ß¦¦ß¦Æß¦ê ß¦£-¦ß¦ëß¦âß¦ùß¦ëß¦ê ß¦Éß¦âß¦¦GïàGïàGïà ß¦Æß¦ÿß¦ù ß¦Æß¦á ß¦â ß¦£ß¦½ß¦Æß¦ù
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1072	Posted - 2015.10.19 18:53:21 - [93] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: I urge that everyone remain calm and save their harsh words for when the trials have progressed a bit. There is a fair chance that the bridges being burnt now need not have been crossed in the first place. Well, yes, if the Rude King pratfalls at the first hurdle, then, hurdehurr. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 424	Posted - 2015.10.19 19:28:32 - [94] - Quote Alar Chakaid wrote: Gaven Lok'ri wrote: When does this scandal your King has created rate more than "prattle"? The only scandal I see is that in which a so-called 'Lord Admiral' allows a subordinate, of lesser blood, to manipulate him into questioning the decisions of a Royal Heir. There will be consequences for this seditious agitation against the person of His Majesty. I call upon you to disavow your words and repent your impiety in slandering a Royal Heir. As for the lesser, who dares claim that wallowing in a slime-filled egg confers special rights on an insect such as her, she is beyond redemption and taints you all. Cast her out now. For when His Majesty takes the Throne of Amarr it will be far, far too late. Lord Alar Chakaid Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid I thank you for your enlightening response. I take it the answer to my question is that you will walk hand in hand with the heretic right to the ruination of everything holy before you accept that heresy is more than mere prattle. Does your Lord know that you are throwing in his lot with a would-be-champion who has already declared your King to be the Red Emperor? Does he know that you do not see a scandal in his being represented by the faction who murdered the Emperor Doriam II? Perhaps I was wrong to assume that King Khanid was creating this scandal. I certainly had thought him too canny to actively accept the support of someone who would brand him a blood raider Emperor. I cannot imagine him surviving such a long career while acting so! Did he perhaps delegate the selection of the candidates to you? It certainly seems possible that it is you who thinks it would be a good idea to have as champion an open supporter of Omir, who calls your King "Red," and who actively crows about corrupting the trials with blood rites. For all I know, King Khanid is busy and trusted you to handle this matter. If this is the case, I will happily apologize to him for assuming his fault. But you! You have no excuse. This thread is filled with the evidence of the evils of Edeity. His guilt is clear. He proclaims it himself! The evidence was linked in the very post you responded to as you called out me and mine. It was your thread in which the degenerate pile of excrement bragged about his ownership of a blood robe, his prize possession! It was in your thread that he had the gall to label your King a Sanguinis Emperor. There is no explanation for your acceptance of such a debased heretic. What could explain your getting into bed with an oozing cankerous sore such as Edeity. Did you also sell your soul directly to Omir Sarikusa or is there some other reason that you ignore Edeity's corruption? What possibly could justify such a vile association? Do you also prance around in a bloody robe in some private recess of your estate, slowly bleeding your slaves to death in an unholy rite designed by a pervert? Or do you just think that people who do so are good allies? If the corruption ends at you, I will happily apologize to King Khanid. So tell me, how high does the acceptance of Doriam's murderers go in the Kingdom? Whom do you really serve? It cannot be God. Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Slobodan Hawkwood Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 48	Posted - 2015.10.19 19:43:39 - [95] - Quote I'd also like to call all parties to calm down and stop this before escalate further. I agree that having proven and declared heretic as champion for His Majesty King Khanid II is very concerning, we should all have faith that Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order will deal with this properly. There is no need for causing rift between Amarr and Kingdom loyalist, we should all be working on full reunification which will make Amarr Empire stronger. "I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." Paladin's Creed
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1437	Posted - 2015.10.19 20:20:34 - [96] - Quote Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Lyn Farel wrote: Perhaps, besides all the demanded claims of loyalty and required (easily farmable..) standings to the Amarr Empire, all these champions are nothing more than combat hounds thrown in a pit to decide the fate of the Throne, much like people bet on furriers. And fickle freelance capsuleers not exactly famous for their sticking loyalties and knowing perfectly they will never be part of any official entity of any faction that they claim supporting... In such a view, does it matter so much where their so called sympathies lie? Gaven Lok'ri wrote: Sinti Vailatti wrote: Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED. Are you seriously suggesting that criminals who are primarily guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots are equivalent to a Blood Raider? Are you suggesting that a freelance capsuleers probably only guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots that felt to write something in his public record about supporting Sarikusa, is a Blood Raider...? Might be though, did he run missions for them? Adepta Farel, It does matter when it is a professed Blood Raider and Omir sycopant. This is the agenda of the person in question " Peace of the Lord Garkeh Khanid/ Peace of the Red Emperor". His agenda goes directly to the security and integrity of the Empire and the Faith in a way that, frankly, no one else in the trials does. I expect the Society will shortly be issuing a more formal communication our position in this matter to the appropriate authorities. It is my hope that once the appropriate authorities are notified of this apparent oversight, appropriate action will be taken. Directrix Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti Praefecta, It is not a professed official Blood Raider, but a freelance capsuleer sympathizer, which was simply my point... Otherwise, I am sorry if I was not clear enough that I can not say that I disagree with you... My apologies.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2284	Posted - 2015.10.19 20:37:31 - [97] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: Mitara Newelle wrote: It would be prudent for a representative of the Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order to speak to this matter before it escalates further. Theology Council and Ministry of Internal Order are both going to lie as usual. I'm not sure if having a Sani Sabik cultist supporting edeity does his case any favours. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Interstellar Survey and Security 671	Posted - 2015.10.19 20:41:10 - [98] - Quote Slobodan Hawkwood wrote: I'd also like to call all parties to calm down and stop this before escalate further. I agree that having proven and declared heretic as champion for His Majesty King Khanid II is very concerning, we should all have faith that Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order will deal with this properly. There is no need for causing rift between Amarr and Kingdom loyalist, we should all be working on full reunification which will make Amarr Empire stronger. Lord Slobodan, Thank you for these words. If there is a rift now between Khanid and certain others within the Empire, do please remember that we did not cause it. As we are, we do not seek enemies within the Empire. But as we are, we do not surrender our honor to those who would besmirch it. We will follow the words of Lord Alar Chakaid and our King and Heir and await the justice due to those who think it appropriate to question their betters. Khanid Victor! Amarr Victor! Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2285	Posted - 2015.10.19 20:48:26 - [99] - Quote There can be no doubt that edeity is a cultist. I will be treating him as such and in my view there's one sort of trial that he should be involved in and it's not this one. However, unless anyone can provide evidence to the contrary I am prepared to accept that his inclusion is likely down to embarrassing screw-up rather than conspiracy. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 428	Posted - 2015.10.19 21:26:05 - [100] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Slobodan Hawkwood wrote: I'd also like to call all parties to calm down and stop this before escalate further. I agree that having proven and declared heretic as champion for His Majesty King Khanid II is very concerning, we should all have faith that Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order will deal with this properly. There is no need for causing rift between Amarr and Kingdom loyalist, we should all be working on full reunification which will make Amarr Empire stronger. Lord Slobodan, Thank you for these words. If there is a rift now between Khanid and certain others within the Empire, do please remember that we did not cause it. As we are, we do not seek enemies within the Empire. But as we are, we do not surrender our honor to those who would besmirch it. We will follow the words of Lord Alar Chakaid and our King and Heir and await the justice due to those who think it appropriate to question their betters. Khanid Victor! Amarr Victor! Careful, lest you tar yourself a blood raider collaborator right alongside your Lord Alar Chakaid, who has clearly damned himself of outright collaboration at the worst, and gross incompetence at the best in his handling of this issue. The case against Edeity is damning. So is the case against whomever reviewed his application and chose to accept it and against anyone who saw that application and chose to not take action to bar it. Everyone involved is guilty of either collaboration or negligence and certainly not the better of anyone in the Praetoria. The key question is who made those decisions. I am fully prepared to believe that the person who reviewed that application and accepted it was not King Khanid, but rather one of his underlings. As I stated earlier, I cannot believe that Khanid would be happy to be called the Red Emperor. If he truly was not involved with this decision, I will personally formally apologize to Khanid for having assumed the worst in my distress at the discovery of this nest of diseased adders. Of course, whether or not he is ignorant of the issue, if he remains so for too long and Edeity manages to corrupt the finals of the Tournament, he will find that the foundation of his new reign is built on sand. Any Succession Trial a blood raider wins is by definition not a Succession Trial. And an Emperor crowned on false pretenses is not an Emperor but rather a Usurper. If Khanid wants to protect his legacy and his potential reign, it is imperative that he condemn Edeity and punish those within his administration who have put him in this compromised position. Alar Chakaid will certainly be among the guilty. As for rifts between the Khanid and Amarr. We have no interest in furthering any rifts with the Khanid Kingdom, but we will not stand by and ignore the corruption of blood raiders. In fact, to any right minded person, we are doing the Khanid people a service by drawing this sordid nest of blood raider apologists into the light of day! There is no excuse and no hiding place for Doriam's Killers! There can be no Second Karsoth! Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 32198	Posted - 2015.10.19 21:30:01 - [101] - Quote So the Amarr poster group is now slamming a Khanid official. Is the Theology council going to let PIE continue this way? Is their silence unofficial approval of public contempt of Khanid? Will Khanid himself react? TUNE IN TO FIND OUT FOLKS [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 269	Posted - 2015.10.19 23:20:55 - [102] - Quote A Good Poster wrote: Mitara Newelle wrote: It would be prudent for a representative of the Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order to speak to this matter before it escalates further. It would be prudent of you to consult a cosmetologist before your fashion "individualism" escalates further. You can't talk. You look like someone left their musty cheesy sacs on your face and put you in an oven for a few hours too long. You need to get a resculpt certificate. You might need a few actually.
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 340	Posted - 2015.10.19 23:26:20 - [103] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: There can be no doubt that edeity is a cultist. I will be treating him as such and in my view there's one sort of trial that he should be involved in and it's not this one. However, unless anyone can provide evidence to the contrary I am prepared to accept that his inclusion is likely down to embarrassing screw-up rather than conspiracy. My mind recalls another screw up. One that was a mere typo and many people committed suicide out of shame. Many others were killed. At this point, it would probably be best should the Steward disavow Ediety and depart this life posthaste. Failing that, Lord Khanid should disavow Steward Chakaid and Edeity and put a bullet in the back of Chakaid's head.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 269	Posted - 2015.10.19 23:35:14 - [104] - Quote Alizebeth Amalath wrote: Rodj Blake wrote: There can be no doubt that edeity is a cultist. I will be treating him as such and in my view there's one sort of trial that he should be involved in and it's not this one. However, unless anyone can provide evidence to the contrary I am prepared to accept that his inclusion is likely down to embarrassing screw-up rather than conspiracy. My mind recalls another screw up. One that was a mere typo and many people committed suicide out of shame. Many others were killed. At this point, it would probably be best should the Steward disavow Ediety and depart this life posthaste. Failing that, Lord Khanid should disavow Steward Chakaid and Edeity and put a bullet in the back of Chakaid's head. Drifters did New Eden a great service.
Goldfinch Order of Jamyl 486	Posted - 2015.10.20 00:05:32 - [105] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: Praefecta, It is not a professed official Blood Raider, but a freelance capsuleer sympathizer, which was simply my point... Otherwise, I am sorry if I was not clear enough that I can not say that I disagree with you... My apologies. Lynnara, our friend, Dochuta Karsoth was in [CO], or the Court Chamberlain Corporation, for the period of time that he was in league with the Blood Raiders. He was not, in fact, in [TBR]. Are we to think that by your logic the Red Chamblerlain is only "but" a "freelance sympathizer" and therefore of no concern? \J/ veiled and bound my origin story (on R109)
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 1430	Posted - 2015.10.20 00:10:33 - [106] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: Elise and pl want to front like they run Delve. Ha! Please! Blood Raiders run Delve! And we kill and do more than any other faction out here. Yo I get that you like playing dress-up, but can you explain to these fine people who controls all the assets of value in Delve? Just press your lips together and say "you do". The region makes 450 billion a month, and you legit control 0% of that. I bet you can barely keep an office rented in that ****-hole you call a home in KFIE, and if you don't watch your tongue I can take that away from you as well. "Oh I don't want it I have other things to do" lmao the only reason you have nothing is because you're completely at my mercy. So go on with your whimsy fairy-tales about how you're "a vicious Delve resident ", I'm sure eventually some idiot will believe you. But keep my name out your mouth before it puts you in a situation that you can't afford. ~
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Interstellar Survey and Security 672	Posted - 2015.10.20 00:57:09 - [107] - Quote Gaven Lok'ri wrote: As for rifts between the Khanid and Amarr. We have no interest in furthering any rifts with the Khanid Kingdom, but we will not stand by and ignore the corruption of blood raiders. Lies. You are false. As has been noted, Kador has chosen the known heretic Max Singularity to represent their House. You do nothing to mention this. You do nothing to decry the criminal actions of the Pandemic Legion pilots, nor the other NullSec pirates, nor the Matari, nor the Gallente that have been chosen. You are specifically targeting House Khanid. You and yours have made no secret that you were displeased by the Councils' decision to allow my King to take his rightful place in the Trails. And you fear the loss of station a Khanid reign will bring you. You fear what Khanid represents on the battlefield. Since you could not get a pilot to fly for Khanid and you fear him in space, you attempt to discredit my King with slander? PIE has three different pilots flying for three different Houses. This isn't loyalty, this is hedging a bet. Are you so desperate to be tied to the winner? Have you no faith that God will guide the hand of the victor? No. You are false. Faithless. And yes, very, very afraid. When I flew as a Praetorian, I flew proudly. Our ships swept the Bleak Lands and the savages cowed in terror and docked when our ships appeared in local. We fought. We died. We fought again. Every death, every lost ship, all those lost crew...all died for naught because your base words besmirch the honor of all Praetorians. You requested that I not take your pilot to task for her words, although she is beneath me. I now highly recommend you and all your lot cease your treasonous words against those in station above you. Because no matter who wins the Throne, all will remember your treasonous words. What Emperor would have ones such as you serving them? Remember pilot. Faith and loyalty to a real Amarr mean nothing if they have conditions. You could have quietly petitioned your superiors if you had an issue. Instead you had your pet screech on GalNet like a Vherokior fishwife. And then you added your own screechings, even when one of greater rank and station ordered your silence. These are the actions of the mighty Praetorians? This is conspiracy and treason against God and Empire. You want Edeity removed from Khanid because he is a Heretic? Fine. First remove Max Singularity, and the PIE pilots for the same reasons. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 269	Posted - 2015.10.20 00:57:38 - [108] - Quote Elise Randolph wrote: Anyanka Funk wrote: Elise and pl want to front like they run Delve. Ha! Please! Blood Raiders run Delve! And we kill and do more than any other faction out here. Yo I get that you like playing dress-up, but can you explain to these fine people who controls all the assets of value in Delve? Just press your lips together and say "you do". The region makes 450 billion a month, and you legit control 0% of that. I bet you can barely keep an office rented in that ****-hole you call a home in KFIE, and if you don't watch your tongue I can take that away from you as well. "Oh I don't want it I have other things to do" lmao the only reason you have nothing is because you're completely at my mercy. So go on with your whimsy fairy-tales about how you're "a vicious Delve resident ", I'm sure eventually some idiot will believe you. But keep my name out your mouth before it puts you in a situation that you can't afford. You lead an alliance of slaves. You fight like slaves. You act like slaves. So STFU, slave!
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 341	Posted - 2015.10.20 01:00:25 - [109] - Quote Gaven Lok'ri wrote: [quote=Alar Chakaid The only scandal I see is that in which a so-called 'Lord Admiral' allows a subordinate, of lesser blood, to manipulate him into questioning the decisions of a Royal Heir. There will be consequences for this seditious agitation against the person of His Majesty. I call upon you to disavow your words and repent your impiety in slandering a Royal Heir. As for the lesser, who dares claim that wallowing in a slime-filled egg confers special rights on an insect such as her, she is beyond redemption and taints you all. Cast her out now. For when His Majesty takes the Throne of Amarr it will be far, far too late. Lord Alar Chakaid Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid I would sooner cast out Lord Khanid and the entire kingdom than cast out Samira.
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 1434	Posted - 2015.10.20 01:39:23 - [110] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: Elise Randolph wrote: Anyanka Funk wrote: Elise and pl want to front like they run Delve. Ha! Please! Blood Raiders run Delve! And we kill and do more than any other faction out here. Yo I get that you like playing dress-up, but can you explain to these fine people who controls all the assets of value in Delve? Just press your lips together and say "you do". The region makes 450 billion a month, and you legit control 0% of that. I bet you can barely keep an office rented in that **-hole you call a home in KFIE, and if you don't watch your tongue I can take that away from you as well. "Oh I don't want it I have other things to do" lmao the only reason you have nothing is because you're completely at my mercy. So go on with your whimsy fairy-tales about how you're "a vicious Delve resident ", I'm sure eventually some idiot will believe you. But keep my name out your mouth before it puts you in a situation that you can't afford. You lead an alliance of slaves. You fight like slaves. You act like slaves. So STFU, slave! Clarification: Elise and PL don't run but their mouths. And anyone can come to Delve and make as much isk as they want without PL doing ** about it. lmao yea you can run missions Enjoy shooting red crosses buddy. Duckin' pathetic. ~
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Interstellar Survey and Security 672	Posted - 2015.10.20 02:05:13 - [111] - Quote Alizebeth Amalath wrote: I would sooner cast out Lord Khanid and the entire kingdom than cast out Samira. My Lady, You would rather accept the faith of a Matari commoner over the words of Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain Cardinal Sourem Itharen? For she did state, "Enforcement of the rules of the Amarr Championships will be absolute, and under the gaze of God, the Court Chamberlain will ensure that the Succession Trials stay true to the sanctity of the Holy Imperial Throne. "There will be a zero tolerance approach to corruption, attempted collusion, and any other tomfoolery that may occur as a result of capsuleer involvement. Any instances of such behavior will be fully investigated, and any offenders eliminated. " I have every faith that the Cardinal knows what she is doing. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Stalking Mantis No.Mercy Triumvirate. 884	Posted - 2015.10.20 02:29:11 - [112] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Khanid gave up his claim to the throne when he rebelled against God's Holy Empire. And they stood before Him, bathed in His light. Yet their eyes were blind, Their hearts rebellious, And their minds refused the Lord. Darkness descended upon them, Spreading inside their minds, And the flames of the Lord died within them. - Gheinok the First 1:13 Be careful calling those that overlooked the trials of our late Empress 'God' or their word 'devine'. Also the texts you brought up are out of context to your post. Merely an attempt to give holy scripture validation to your personal agenda. Not proper or becoming of the holy texts. Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread
Goldfinch Order of Jamyl 486	Posted - 2015.10.20 03:18:54 - [113] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: You would rather accept the faith of a Matari commoner over the words of Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain Cardinal Sourem Itharen? As you misunderstand the meaning of the word you so carelessly throw around, we quote a Matari who knows better about such things: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Matari means more than Minmatar blood. It means an understanding and connection to the ways of the Tribes. It means a belonging which is starting to become rare among the blood. Lieutenant Kernher is Amarr. This means that when she meets God in Paradise, she will receive no lesser dispensation than you Lord Mokk, as you are of a race which is not True, forever tainted by the sin of your ancestors; no matter how pious, no matter how fervent and faithful. Take heed, how your defense of a Blood Raider makes you sound more like Nauplius. We will take the word of an Amarr Lieutenant of PIE who is devout in her conviction and her Faith above the direct supporter of a Blood Raider provocateur in close proximity to the holiest of mortal offices of Heir and possibly Emperor. Heir Khanid has no mandate from the Empress to bring an unrepetant, defiant Blood Raider into the fold. If he has no mandate, then neither does his spokesman or anyone else in the Empire under any other authority. \J/ veiled and bound my origin story (on R109)
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2491	Posted - 2015.10.20 03:26:49 - [114] - Quote Alar Chakaid wrote: As for the lesser, who dares claim that wallowing in a slime-filled egg confers special rights on an insect such as her, she is beyond redemption and taints you all. Cast her out now. Did I strike a nerve? I hope you remember, "my lord", that we both are descended from apostate races. Decorate your tent in all the fine livery you want, but you're still dwelling down here in the mud with me. At least my line stayed faithful after we were Reclaimed. Amarr fights a two-front crusade. The ships and weapons are pointed at the Republic, but that's not the only rebellious colony we are Reclaiming. I am not special. Being a capsuleer makes me a monster, but such monsters the cluster has been loathe to enforce restrictions and consequences on. So while your blooder allies use that status to engage in wanton sacrifice and blasphemous rituals, I will use it to simply speak the truth. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Grash Uriza Obsidian Cadre 24	Posted - 2015.10.20 03:31:35 - [115] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: We do not need dissection and insurrection from within. Yet we seem to all forget that Heideran won. Oh, My apologies to the Khanids, apparently that was too soon. Sinjin Mokk wrote: You want Edeity removed from Khanid because he is a Heretic? Fine. First remove Max Singularity, and the PIE pilots for the same reasons. Ah, the tried and true Khanid response to everything: Throw it back in your face and charge you with being the heretic, or disloyal,or breeding insurrection because you dare to critique or comment on their ways. Of note has been Sinjin Mokk, who has on this particular issue been a pleasure to watch flop about like a fedo gorging on a leaking ozone container. Of course when that's not enough, threaten them. On a personal note, it will be an honor to resume a family tradition of "cultural" exchanges with Khanid kin.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7726	Posted - 2015.10.20 03:42:02 - [116] - Quote With all due respect to the august participants, as someone who has had to deal with a number of diplomatic missteps as of late, this topic is perhaps becoming unseemly. If PIE wishes to express its discontent with an heir selecting an avowed Blood Raider, perhaps a formal statement may be advised, instead of what's transpiring here...? I apologize, of course, for stepping in as an outsider. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 435	Posted - 2015.10.20 03:56:08 - [117] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Gaven Lok'ri wrote: As for rifts between the Khanid and Amarr. We have no interest in furthering any rifts with the Khanid Kingdom, but we will not stand by and ignore the corruption of blood raiders. Lies. You are false. As has been noted, Kador has chosen the known heretic Max Singularity to represent their House. You do nothing to mention this. You do nothing to decry the criminal actions of the Pandemic Legion pilots, nor the other NullSec pirates, nor the Matari, nor the Gallente that have been chosen. You are specifically targeting House Khanid. You and yours have made no secret that you were displeased by the Councils' decision to allow my King to take his rightful place in the Trails. And you fear the loss of station a Khanid reign will bring you. You fear what Khanid represents on the battlefield. Since you could not get a pilot to fly for Khanid and you fear him in space, you attempt to discredit my King with slander? PIE has three different pilots flying for three different Houses. This isn't loyalty, this is hedging a bet. Are you so desperate to be tied to the winner? Have you no faith that God will guide the hand of the victor? No. You are false. Faithless. And yes, very, very afraid. When I flew as a Praetorian, I flew proudly. Our ships swept the Bleak Lands and the savages cowed in terror and docked when our ships appeared in local. We fought. We died. We fought again. Every death, every lost ship, all those lost crew...all died for naught because your base words besmirch the honor of all Praetorians. You requested that I not take your pilot to task for her words, although she is beneath me. I now highly recommend you and all your lot cease your treasonous words against those in station above you. Because no matter who wins the Throne, all will remember your treasonous words. What Emperor would have ones such as you serving them? Remember pilot. Faith and loyalty to a real Amarr mean nothing if they have conditions. You could have quietly petitioned your superiors if you had an issue. Instead you had your pet screech on GalNet like a Vherokior fishwife. And then you added your own screechings, even when one of greater rank and station ordered your silence. These are the actions of the mighty Praetorians? This is conspiracy and treason against God and Empire. You want Edeity removed from Khanid because he is a Heretic? Fine. First remove Max Singularity, and the PIE pilots for the same reasons. The only reason I can imagine for this willful acceptance of a champion draped in a blood stained robe is that Omir has got his claws into you as well. The supporters of Khanid should be leading the charge against this corruption, you should be desperate to deny Edeity's labeling of your king as a Blood Emperor. Instead you aid and abet it. You pretend that the vilest of heresies is somehow not that big of a deal. I must conclude that you have slummed with more than just the Angels that appear on your record! Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2492	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:02:21 - [118] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: As has been noted, Kador has chosen the known heretic Max Singularity to represent their House. You do nothing to mention this. You do nothing to decry the criminal actions of the Pandemic Legion pilots, nor the other NullSec pirates, nor the Matari, nor the Gallente that have been chosen. You are specifically targeting House Khanid. How little you know. I run an organization that has not been silent on these points. The difference is, Mokk, that not all crimes are equal. Some are graver, and such gravity requires a greater response. This thread specifically targets House Khanid, because House Khanid is the most undeserving of its place as heir and is championed by the most vile of heretics. Quote: PIE has three different pilots flying for three different Houses. This isn't loyalty, this is hedging a bet. Are you so desperate to be tied to the winner? Have you no faith that God will guide the hand of the victor? No. You are false. Faithless. And yes, very, very afraid. PIE has three different pilots flying for three different houses because despite what some may want to assume, PIE is not a single hivemind of one belief and one ideology. We are not Sansha. Our members come from many different regions, under many different lords, and our loyalties fall with many different heirs. We did not declare for any one heir, as an organization, because as an organization we do not support any one heir. As an organization we support the Imperial Throne, and we will support whichever one of the five families ascends. As for God's guidance. Amarr is not a faith of passive acceptance. We are the hands of God and it is our own actions that prove to Him whether or not we are worthy. God's choice is not known until we demonstrate to Him who He is best served by. God demands action, not apathy. The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. - Book I 1:14 Quote: When I flew as a Praetorian, I flew proudly. Our ships swept the Bleak Lands and the savages cowed in terror and docked when our ships appeared in local. We fought. We died. We fought again. Every death, every lost ship, all those lost crew...all died for naught because your base words besmirch the honor of all Praetorians. The only besmirching of Praetorian honor that I see is that a heretic and Angel like you once held the title. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Ascentior PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 219	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:43:36 - [119] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: PIE has three different pilots flying for three different houses because despite what some may want to assume, PIE is not a single hivemind of one belief and one ideology. We are not Sansha. Our members come from many different regions, under many different lords, and our loyalties fall with many different heirs. I normally don't like to nitpick, however considering the tone of others in this thread, it is probably best we are clear and open about any mistakes. PIE has FOUR different captains, who have been selected as champions for THREE different houses. And it's completely possible that some of the pilots who have been selected as these champions' retainers would also come from within the ranks of PIE. It is a shame that once again an important issue is being ignored to instead talk about the way that issue has been raised, backed with threats from those who should instead be seeking to support their King by ousting a self-admitted blooder. And again it is filled with the vitriol of Khanid's best, foaming at the mouth to attack faithful Amarrians, while completely ignoring the actual matter at hand. Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment) Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
Grash Uriza Obsidian Cadre 26	Posted - 2015.10.20 05:17:17 - [120] - Quote "So instructed the Queen to her champion, GÇÿBeware the righteous who seek truth in spirit alone; The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word, Great misery follows those who heed what only the weak have heard." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:18 Samira Kernher, In regards to the Amarrian Battle Monk in question: You are correct about his origins. And as it stands, your concern can be applied to several other selected captains. However, your concerns misses a key element: the Amarr Championships portion in Trials of Succession purpose is to be a measure of a Heir's might. In short, only the strongest shall lead us. Because the nature of the Championships is a purely martial, the choice of champion is matter of the Heir's prerogative. Thus questions of a combatant's background is generally ignored as long as they are not considered persona non grata in the eyes of our Empire because all combatants have all declared loyalty to the heir. While I am unable to provide specific examples from history right now, there have been rare occasions in which an Heir has chosen an unusual captain or champion. Again, because the combatants have all declared loyalty to the heir, it opens the field for the Heir to choose from heathens, heretics, pirates (especially those preying on other houses), and slaves themselves. Thus if an Heir thinks an unusual choice this is their best option, then so be it. Having said that we are faced with where in this trial, the unusual seems to be the order of the day with the chosen champions! As for Edeity himself, he is a member of Local Is Primary, an ally of Habitual Chaos (The Alliance of my Obsidian Cadre). They are also another alliance under the oversight of the 24th Imperial Crusade. No different from PIE. More importantly, he is apart a close ally in the battlefield and thus I know first hand the martial skill of the Battlemonks. (One myth has it that they taught DNG the ancient arts of weaponizing local) As such, the sole and only reason why he selected as a champion is that he's got the chops to take your theology book from you and beat you into the ground with it. As such, I am honored to see him selected as captain. I know that you (Samira) wished (and unfortunately unable) to present yourself to Lord Yonis Ardishapur. For consideration, let us consider a situation where you had applied and become a chosen champion. Very easily this thread here could have been about you, "The Slave". I want to stress, how that would be a crass and uninformed opinion ignoring your achievements. To be clear, you are highly respected and lauded as you have found the path of Truth and Light of redemption. And as seen in many converts, your zeal is commendable. However in this rare case for you, It's just off the mark. I hope this lays out your concerns, and helps others to understand better. Deus Vult. Amarr Victor. Grash Uriza.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2493	Posted - 2015.10.20 05:30:12 - [121] - Quote Where you are wrong is in your claim that the nature of the championships is purely martial. There is no such separation between body and spirit. A victory won through sin is no victory at all, and God will remember such faithlessness when He bestows His final judgment. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Grash Uriza Obsidian Cadre 27	Posted - 2015.10.20 06:04:39 - [122] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Where you are wrong is in your claim that the nature of the championships is purely martial. There is no such separation between body and spirit. A victory won through sin is no victory at all, and God will remember such faithlessness when He bestows His final judgment. You're confusing The Championships, which is a part of the trials, with the Trials of succession itself. The Championship itself is purely Martial. The Trials of Succession is not. There's a strain of thought that by choosing the outcast (a heathen, heretic, ect) that the Heir is going of of their way to proving their potential to the Devine Right of Emperor to bring about good by raiding the ranks of the evil. What enables this as possible is that the submission of the outcast to the Heir out weights their sins. This bring us to the fact that the choice of captain or champion is the Heir's alone. So if The Heir has picked poorly, they will be facing questioning for Final Judgement very quickly!
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 438	Posted - 2015.10.20 06:16:40 - [123] - Quote You fail to comprehend the scope of the Blooder corruption. A corruption that very recently took the life of an Amarr Emperor and led to one of the worst episodes of internal corruption in recent history. Everything that the followers of Omir touch is corrupted and made worse by the contact. If Edeity or those who have allowed him into this holy rite manage to subvert the trials by means of some dark ritual, the Trials themselves are invalid. If the Trials are invalid, the Emperor chosen by those trials is a Usurper. Even if he is defeated, Edeity's intention to blood the deceased in the trial is an insult to everything that is holy and a desecration of the trials should he participate in them. There can be no tolerance when this corruption has spread so far that it is taking part in the very Succession Trials. The blooder rot must be excised. Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 343	Posted - 2015.10.20 07:06:43 - [124] - Quote Grash Uriza wrote: As for Edeity himself, he is a member of Local Is Primary, an ally of Habitual Chaos (The Alliance of my Obsidian Cadre). They are also another alliance under the oversight of the 24th Imperial Crusade. No different from PIE. More importantly, he is apart a close ally in the battlefield and thus I know first hand the martial skill of the Battlemonks. (One myth has it that they taught DNG the ancient arts of weaponizing local) As such, the sole and only reason why he selected as a champion is that he's got the chops to take your theology book from you and beat you into the ground with it. As such, I am honored to see him selected as captain. So, you would break bread with Nauplius, as he is part of the 24th IC? Being a part of the crusade does not mean that one is righteous. As to the rest of your post, nearly everything Samira has said, I say also. This is not about Samira; do not attack her.
Ascentior PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 221	Posted - 2015.10.20 07:59:23 - [125] - Quote Grash Uriza wrote: "So instructed the Queen to her champion, GÇÿBeware the righteous who seek truth in spirit alone; The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word, Great misery follows those who heed what only the weak have heard." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:18 Samira Kernher, In regards to the Amarrian Battle Monk in question: You are correct about his origins. And as it stands, your concern can be applied to several other selected captains. However, your concerns misses a key element: the Amarr Championships portion in Trials of Succession purpose is to be a measure of a Heir's might. In short, only the strongest shall lead us. Because the nature of the Championships is a purely martial, the choice of champion is matter of the Heir's prerogative. Thus questions of a combatant's background is generally ignored as long as they are not considered persona non grata in the eyes of our Empire because all combatants have all declared loyalty to the heir. While I am unable to provide specific examples from history right now, there have been rare occasions in which an Heir has chosen an unusual captain or champion. Again, because the combatants have all declared loyalty to the heir, it opens the field for the Heir to choose from heathens, heretics, pirates (especially those preying on other houses), and slaves themselves. Thus if an Heir thinks an unusual choice this is their best option, then so be it. Having said that we are faced with where in this trial, the unusual seems to be the order of the day with the chosen champions! As for Edeity himself, he is a member of Local Is Primary, an ally of Habitual Chaos (The Alliance of my Obsidian Cadre). They are also another alliance under the oversight of the 24th Imperial Crusade. No different from PIE. More importantly, he is apart a close ally in the battlefield and thus I know first hand the martial skill of the Battlemonks. (One myth has it that they taught DNG the ancient arts of weaponizing local) As such, the sole and only reason why he selected as a champion is that he's got the chops to take your theology book from you and beat you into the ground with it. As such, I am honored to see him selected as captain. I know that you (Samira) wished (and unfortunately unable) to present yourself to Lord Yonis Ardishapur. For consideration, let us consider a situation where you had applied and become a chosen champion. Very easily this thread here could have been about you, "The Slave". I want to stress, how that would be a crass and uninformed opinion ignoring your achievements. To be clear, you are highly respected and lauded as you have found the path of Truth and Light of redemption. And as seen in many converts, your zeal is commendable. However in this rare case for you, It's just off the mark. I hope this lays out your concerns, and helps others to understand better. Deus Vult. Amarr Victor. Grash Uriza. We are well aware that the 24th has long turned a blind eye to terrible madmen and heresy. It's a widely understood fact that even those who have declared themselves an enemy of the Empire can still sign up as long as there is a corporation with enough standing and low enough moral fibre, or if they spend a few days working for Amarr agents. The fact that you believe being enlisted in the Militia makes you 'No different from PIE' shows how mentally and spiritually unequipped you are to correct the Lieutenant, let alone 'help[s] others to understand better'. We have 12 years of history supporting Amarr You have shown yourself to be a sycophant of little worth. Blindly leaping to the defense of Blood Raiders and their supporters. Comparing a slave (note: Lieutenant Kernher is no slave) to a Blood Raider is just another example of your incomparable ignorance of what is happening around you. Pray that... Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment) Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
Slobodan Hawkwood Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 50	Posted - 2015.10.20 08:01:50 - [126] - Quote I'd try again and call all parties to be patient and let proper authorities to deal with this incident. I fail to see purpose in slandering PIE pilots who proven their loyalty to Empire countless of times, as well as Khanid loyalist pilots who are fighting beside us. Let us not assume worst scenario in advance, there will be plenty of time to react if something like Red Emperor looks to be happening. PIE is not alone in it's concerns... "I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." Paladin's Creed
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary 38	Posted - 2015.10.20 08:23:29 - [127] - Quote Gaven Lok'ri wrote: If Edeity or those who have allowed him into this holy rite manage to subvert the trials by means of some dark ritual, the Trials themselves are invalid. If the Trials are invalid, the Emperor chosen by those trials is a Usurper. There is a a lot of prattle here. Lesser minds obsessed with minutae of lesser machinations. For the record Gaven, I am not nor have ever been a "Blood Raider", the mythical boogeyman of deepspace that drunken lawless pirates and failed pilots use as excuse in the failure of their endevours. What I am, and have always been is a loyalist. So loyal in fact that I have applied my full faculties to my faith, and unlike others of your brethren do not suffer a myopic blindness bolstered by false hubris and arrogance to speak on behalf of the mind of That Which Is True. The only heresy here is yours. You claim ascendency in station over your betters, over the very institutions which you simultaneously cling to for legitimacy of your delusions and then not only deride but actively subvert their decisions. I am a champion of Amarr. I am bound only by Khanid mandate. Proclamations of heresy and disloyalty by your circle of friends hold no legitimacy here. To deny this is to deny legitimacy of the court, legitimacy of the very foundations of the faith which you serve. Correctly, there is no separation between spirit and action. They are one. Your actions speak loudly of grave sin. Lets see if your actions can back them up. I question you, are you a "savant" the supposed super beings that shall lead us to salvation that this convenient fiction of a great conspiracy says have the only authority to take what is their due? I think not. What say you? Are you indeed a greater judge of fitness of service and loyalty? We know that truth is bigger than a man can comprehend. Are you greater than a man? Take off your hat of foil, oh noble knight of Amarr. You do great disservice to yourself and your followers. I have no interest here but the rightful promotion through selection on field of battle of one who stands for all of the Amarrian faith. For myself, I find our Lord Garkeh both the most orthodox and most progressive of heirs. He is the hope and the future of our faith. He embraces the fullness of our past, not the limited reducted version spoonfed by your petty lickspittle of a tool politic known as the Theology Council. He stands for not just those of pure Amarrian birth, but all who believe. He is a true and rightful heir. To speak otherwise is declare onself heretic. The decision has been made. Your decision, your stance on this matter opens a great many questions however. Stand with me brother, a night of such darkness is coming - do not fall back on old and petty ways. Your arrogance and false entitlement are a thing of another era. Amarr must find strength in its past yet recognise its future is eternally new. Pax Amarr my brother. May we find common ground in the fight against heresy and evil, WHATEVER form it may take.
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 344	Posted - 2015.10.20 08:30:19 - [128] - Quote edeity wrote: Pax Amarr my brother. May we find common ground in the fight against heresy and evil, WHATEVER form it may take. The heresy and evil is you.
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 441	Posted - 2015.10.20 08:43:43 - [129] - Quote Quote: I am not nor have ever been a "Blood Raider" If it prances around in a bloody robe like a blood raider, sacrifices its victims in immoral rites like a blood raider, and calls Omir's unholy name like a Blood Raider. Then, by Junip, I think it probably qualifies as a blood raider. Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Slobodan Hawkwood Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 50	Posted - 2015.10.20 09:00:11 - [130] - Quote edeity wrote: For the record Gaven, I am not nor have ever been a "Blood Raider", the mythical boogeyman of deepspace that drunken lawless pirates and failed pilots use as excuse in the failure of their endevours. Yet you openly state your loyalty to Omir Sarikusa ( https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/edeity?_ga=1.53032737.829432483.1433490118 ) Blood raider and heretic of worst kind you are...I can only hope you'll find your way to trough faith and repent before you meet your maker. "I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." Paladin's Creed
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 344	Posted - 2015.10.20 09:03:57 - [131] - Quote "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary 38	Posted - 2015.10.20 09:06:51 - [132] - Quote Gaven Lok'ri wrote: If it prances around in a bloody robe like a blood raider, sacrifices its victims in immoral rites like a blood raider, and calls Omir's unholy name like a Blood Raider. Then, by Junip, I think it probably qualifies as a blood raider. You are a man mired in a past right when times move faster than ever before. You and your brothers cripple not only your minds with rigid thinking, but your prowess in battle using only the technologies and tools of a singular civilisation. Do you not have real faith? Do you think truth needs to be sheltered or hidden? Are you so scared of your own weakness you cannot expand your mind to become more? I wear a blood raider uniform, yes. Acquired on field of battle. I admire Lord Omir. He is a man of passionate spirituality that has made a great mark upon many lives. Do I approve of everything he and his followers do? Of course not. But who am I to truly judge the divine will? All creation serves a purpose. I know I need not lecture a man of such knowledge as yourself on the history of our shared and singular (although you have declared a large portion of it off limits) faith. Blood is intrinsic to our faith. We celebrate with wine today, this very day and age in memory of this. I am not some fantastical invention of a crazed space cannibal. This here is a rational, educated, devout, mindful, caring, generous and loyal servant of the very same faith as yours. I just educate myself not just in words but actions about the breadth of this faith. I believe I can say with an honest heart, I am more experienced in our beliefs brother. I wish you knew them as I do. Years alas do not always equate to wisdom.
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 432	Posted - 2015.10.20 09:21:08 - [133] - Quote Ascentior wrote: And again it is filled with the vitriol of Khanid's best, foaming at the mouth to attack faithful Amarrians, while completely ignoring the actual matter at hand. On the contrary my vitriol has been entirely absent and as Khanid's best I'll be taking care of the problem on the battlefield, if Lord Khanid wishes to see the death of a heretic I have no problem with providing that service.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2493	Posted - 2015.10.20 09:23:14 - [134] - Quote edeity wrote: Years alas do not always equate to wisdom. The wise do not embrace heresy. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary 38	Posted - 2015.10.20 09:28:25 - [135] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: edeity wrote: Years alas do not always equate to wisdom. The wise do not embrace heresy. And lesser beings should know their place. Fortunately this shall all be resolved in time. Have faith sister.
Ascentior PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 221	Posted - 2015.10.20 09:29:13 - [136] - Quote edeity wrote: I wear a blood raider uniform, yes. Acquired on field of battle. I admire Lord Omir. He is a man of passionate spirituality that has made a great mark upon many lives. Do I approve of everything he and his followers do? Of course not. But who am I to truly judge the divine will? All creation serves a purpose. Divine will was to cast the Heretic out, to deny his horrific, bastardized sect. You cannot ignore this and still claim to be a man of faith. Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment) Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary 38	Posted - 2015.10.20 09:38:50 - [137] - Quote Ascentior wrote: edeity wrote: I wear a blood raider uniform, yes. Acquired on field of battle. I admire Lord Omir. He is a man of passionate spirituality that has made a great mark upon many lives. Do I approve of everything he and his followers do? Of course not. But who am I to truly judge the divine will? All creation serves a purpose. Divine will was to cast the Heretic out, to deny his horrific, bastardized sect. You cannot ignore this and still claim to be a man of faith. One can admire, even have a loyalty to the spirit of a religious movement without being a member of it. There is much to admire about people, brought together under the most trying and desperate of circumstances, a people from all races and places - to pursue a common religious goal. This is indeed my dream, as it is the dream of all true believers in the faith of Amarr. The only actual point of religious contention is my upholding the validity of the full texts of Amarr as sacred, as defended by Saint Tetrimon. Khanid is where the followerrs of this full orthodoxy, the only and last of the True Amarrians were granted sanctuary. The debate over suitability resides in this. Claims of Blood Raider this or that are unsubstantiated, all capsuleer pilots deal with the corpses of vanquished foes at one point or another, I am no different. It is sad to see such low serving and desperate misuse of claimed piety to effect a political outcome. I am ashamed to have flown in company of many of those who reduce themselves so far.
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 443	Posted - 2015.10.20 10:01:33 - [138] - Quote Only a blood raider would spout garbage like "In nomine domini Omir Sarikusa" and "Pax Sanguinis Emperor" while bragging about being "clad in [your] only real possession, a prayer robe. Caked in blood both old and fresh of rebels, heretics, traitors, pirates and beings lesser of race, dogma or belief." You can try to tell us that black is white all day, but it won't change what you are. Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 32200	Posted - 2015.10.20 11:46:33 - [139] - Quote No Theology Council huh? Guess no one coming to shut PIE up means the Theology Council officially endorses taking a metaphorical ** on the Khanid, the same Khanid who were already stated to be rightfully allowed to participate as heir. Except now they're not really welcome... But kind of are. The Council should make up it's mind. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]**
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 576	Posted - 2015.10.20 11:51:52 - [140] - Quote Anslo wrote: No Theology Council huh? Guess no one coming to shut PIE up means the Theology Council officially endorses taking a metaphorical **** on the Khanid, the same Khanid who were already stated to be rightfully allowed to participate as heir. Except now they're not really welcome... But kind of are. The Council should make up it's mind. Anslo, it's not just PIE that has grave concerns....
Sourem Itharen Court Chamberlain Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2015.10.20 12:52:27 - [141] - Quote Faithful of Amarr, I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter. Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon. In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials. The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists. All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination. But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease. One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon. Cardinal Sourem Itharen Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2493	Posted - 2015.10.20 13:15:05 - [142] - Quote Not all foes are flesh, Cardinal. Some are more subtle. Such demons cannot be defeated by mere "martial excellence", and they strike deeper than any laser. May our next emperor purge the many evils that threaten to consume Holy Amarr. The enemies of the outside must be defeated, and the enemies of the inside controlled. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Goldfinch Order of Jamyl 493	Posted - 2015.10.20 14:02:56 - [143] - Quote Sourem Itharen wrote: All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination. As impossible as this statement seems when applied to a Sani Sabik, as we ourself have not demonstrated the bravery required to participate in the trials, we will make no further arguments against the choice of the good Councils and the Order. We wish all Champions, including this one, good luck. OOC: As this is a matter of a human being, who also happens to be more than a decent FW PVPer, traveling to Iceland and having fun with his EVE mates in a tourney, I am going to make the OOC decision not to pursue this further. I can't really justify stepping on somebody else's fun just so I can 100% stay in character. Good luck to you edeity, and Tyrrax too. GÖÑ \J/ veiled and bound my origin story (on R109)
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 347	Posted - 2015.10.20 14:28:50 - [144] - Quote Cardinal Itharen, It is not faithlessness that causes us to ask these questions, but our love for God and Empire. Even as the threat by the blooder to harvest the bodies of the champions and their crews is recognized and honored, the objection to the participation of a Sani Sabik in one of our most holy rituals is dismissed as without merit. Even now, Blood Raiders are attacking throughout the cluster. This morning I spent time traveling Imperial space killing them, but a Sani Sabik champion, one that claims Blood Raiders are not real, is a complaint without merit. Blooders killed Emperor Doriam II, but the idea that a Sani Sabik champion taints the trials is a complaint without merit. I must retire to pray on this matter and hope that the guidance of the Divine and the spirit of Her Majesty and all the saints of Holy Amarr illuminate my way in this very dark hour. I will pray for you as well, your grace, and all the heirs. May God be with you.
Utari Onzo Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 721	Posted - 2015.10.20 14:50:56 - [145] - Quote I naturally bow to the judgement of the authorities in the matter of the Championship and ediety's participation. However, considering this man openly and publically praised Omir, and in this very thread, would it not be prudent to investigate this? At best, he is a sympathiser of the Blood Raiders. While the decision of his participation in the Championship appears to have been made, at the very least speaking positively towards enemies of Amarr should be admonished, let alone if he was actively working for the Blood Raiders or not. Either way, I pray to God that the Trials shall proceed with the due reverence and respect it demands by all participants, and that God's will and favour shines through in these dark and troubling times. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2291	Posted - 2015.10.20 16:41:10 - [146] - Quote Sourem Itharen wrote: Faithful of Amarr, I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter. Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon. In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials. The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists. All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination. But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease. One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon. Cardinal Sourem Itharen Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain Your Grace, your words have been noted, and I will heed them well. However, I would appreciate it if you could clarify the following point: If being a Sani Sabik cultist is not in contradiction with being a good Amarrian, then why did the Cult of Catechization call its 47th Crusade Against Heresy? Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 456	Posted - 2015.10.20 16:50:53 - [147] - Quote Sourem Itharen wrote: Faithful of Amarr, I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter. Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon. In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials. The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists. All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination. But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease. One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon. Cardinal Sourem Itharen Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain Understood, Cardinal Itharen. Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1170	Posted - 2015.10.20 16:52:05 - [148] - Quote As I have stated before, the fate of the Heirs and the Empire rests in the hands of God, and we candidates are merely His instruments in the coming trials. I think it would be wise to watch as things unfold, rather than to rabble-rouse and upset the balance of things as they stand now. Surely the Lord will show where His favor lies on the field of battle. Take heart; I am sure I will plant a laser bolt right through this cur's reactor should we face each other.
Utari Onzo Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 725	Posted - 2015.10.20 16:52:55 - [149] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: As I have stated before, the fate of the Heirs and the Empire rests in the hands of God, and we candidates are merely His instruments in the coming trials. I think it would be wise to watch as things unfold, rather than to rabble-rouse and upset the balance of things as they stand now. Surely the Lord will show where His favor lies on the field of battle. Take heart; I am sure I will plant a laser bolt right through this cur's reactor should we face each other. I hear and obey. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Interstellar Survey and Security 675	Posted - 2015.10.20 18:34:45 - [150] - Quote Sourem Itharen wrote: Faithful of Amarr, I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter. Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon. In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials. The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists. All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination. But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease. One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon. Cardinal Sourem Itharen Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain Cardinal, Thank you for taking the time to respond. As I've stated, I will trust and keep faith with God and Empire. I pray that my brothers and sisters will also hear and obey your words in faith and loyalty. I pray for a speedy completion to the Trials and and placement of our new Emperor or Empress as guided by the hand of the One True God of Amarr. For the Glory of God! Khanid Victor! Amarr Victor! Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 578	Posted - 2015.10.20 18:42:27 - [151] - Quote We hear and obey, Cardinal Sourem Itharen.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 271	Posted - 2015.10.20 18:46:46 - [152] - Quote Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: We hear and obey, Cardinal Sourem Itharen. Be a good slave, honey.
Louella Dougans Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine 234	Posted - 2015.10.20 19:04:36 - [153] - Quote Anyanka Funk is terribly gobby for someone who supposedly took a vow of silence. Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary 48	Posted - 2015.10.20 19:27:13 - [154] - Quote Sourem Itharen wrote: Faithful of Amarr, I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter. Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon. In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials. The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists. All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination. But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease. One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon. Cardinal Sourem Itharen Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain Loyalty to the Throne, and in these times the Court and of course the Order are never to be questionable. I would seek clarity on the terminology "interference" but that is best discussed in private. I for one have concerns should a capsuleer be directly exposed to a smart bomb upon destruction of their ship that their body be afforded all due respect with as rapid recovery, aid and assistance provided by the nearest ship as possible. It would be the minimum of respect at least that is due to a fellow warrior of the Faith. That said, appearances are critically important, truths hidden from others must not cause panic or rifts within our faithful. I stand by the edicts and rules as interpreted by the Council and the Order.
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 32202	Posted - 2015.10.20 19:43:09 - [155] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: We hear and obey, Cardinal Sourem Itharen. Be a good slave, honey. Vow of silence means don't talk. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 271	Posted - 2015.10.20 20:12:57 - [156] - Quote Anslo wrote: Anyanka Funk wrote: Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: We hear and obey, Cardinal Sourem Itharen. Be a good slave, honey. Vow of silence means don't talk. STFU ASSLO
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 32205	Posted - 2015.10.20 20:49:58 - [157] - Quote That's not a vow of silence either. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Deitra Vess Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 690	Posted - 2015.10.20 21:16:10 - [158] - Quote Maybe I missed something here, but where exactly is this faith you all tout right now? If your god sees something as wrong wouldn't he make it fail? If the Khanid King is unfit won't your own faith dictate that "gods work" or whatever will intervene, much like the late Empress' "divine reincarnation?" Why are any of you worried? Its safely in your lord's hands... right? Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying this territorial ******* match you have going. Its pretty comical as an outsider looking into Amarrian affairs, but really? (( Good luck Edeity & Tyrrax! ))
Sahriah BloodStone No.Mercy Triumvirate. 194	Posted - 2015.10.20 22:43:16 - [159] - Quote Sourem Itharen wrote: Faithful of Amarr, I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter. Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon. In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials. The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists. All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination. But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease. One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon. Cardinal Sourem Itharen Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain Well now. This is certainly an interesting development. I hope you have chosen your words well Chamberlain, for they will ever be recorded in the books of history, Sahriah Bloodstone Praetor, No.Mercy "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Quattras Peione Vagrant Skies A Band Apart. 167	Posted - 2015.10.21 04:37:21 - [160] - Quote I'm a bit confused about this fellow; perhaps someone with more knowledge of the inner workings of the Faith can help me. This fellow is quite certainly a practitioner of Sani Sabik - by his own admission and all evidence. However, his public profile - as well as that of his organization - seems to imply some affiliation with the Order of St. Tetrimon. Are these two compatible? It would seem to my untrained outsider observation that the militant xenophobia innate in the former would be difficult to reconcile with the apparent egalitarianism of the latter. Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 352	Posted - 2015.10.21 05:13:27 - [161] - Quote At this point, I am not sure enough to give you an answer.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2502	Posted - 2015.10.21 07:03:14 - [162] - Quote Traditionally the Order has been strongly opposed to Sani Sabik. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1439	Posted - 2015.10.21 08:01:19 - [163] - Quote Some older Sabik teachings reliying on newer parts that were not necessarily apocryphon in the times of the Council of Apostles might still hold a certain value to them, but on that, I am rather uncertain... So it might be best to consider it pure speculation to that point, especially when the Order has now been reinstated, which would tend to point to the opposite.
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary 51	Posted - 2015.10.21 12:24:49 - [164] - Quote All I can see here is confirmation bias and delusional misinterpretation. Stop looking for zebras when there is but horses. This is but an Amarrian Loyalist, with piety and dedication in his heart, educated and trained within institutions founded by his very accusers. Where does the fault lie if there is any? As for the confusion of this dogma versus that dogma of heresy, there is a simple explanation if one realises there just simply is no heresy. The ignorance of your supposed feared fictions of evil doers, of which none has raised any evidence of actually existing beyond ramblings of madmen. The legend is that no real "sabik" I think that is the term bandied around loosely here, would ever actually claim to be one. They would only be able to be identified by another who knew their ways. This entire discussion is just ridiculous. What kind of heretic would serve in the heart of the Imperial Crusade, surrounded by the most talented and skilled in identifying heresy, persist through constant accusations to prove genuine loyalty not just with cheap words but action. Far more than the claimed loyalty of many of those throwing accusations here. I do not see most of you on the field of battle, and yes I am there every day. Furthermore, this utterly crude attempt at slander with Blood Raider accusation. Any even cursory glance one can tell this is no barbaric cretin out to destroy and harm for no good reason. So what kind of man would claim the deepest of orthodoxy to the faith and in the same breath be genuinely a servant of this completely separate group of outsiders? The mind boggles indeed. I mean sure, if there was the most fanciful of notions of the Order of Tetrimon's protection of some odd tracts here and there which some wayward minds studying led them to some bizarre conclusion in finding truths in this supposed "sabik" conspiracy which in turn was in league with this Omir character who was regarded as a potential "savant" and in turn formed a relationship within members of the Amarrian aristocracy or powerful, I mean that would be something logically that could explain it, but it is utter fancy. But really, why on earth would they go to all this effort. It makes no sense.
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 462	Posted - 2015.10.21 12:56:58 - [165] - Quote edeity wrote: So what kind of man would claim the deepest of orthodoxy to the faith and in the same breath be genuinely a servant of this completely separate group of outsiders? Only one who is either insane or truly perverse. I wonder which you are? Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Kin Rotschreck Cartel 26	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:59:04 - [166] - Quote Faithful Amarr who toil and bleed for the Empire, respectfully.. I think two of the qualities that set us apart from those who are not of the Amarr Faith, and set us apart from Sani Sabik, is that we hold these virtues in the highest regard: honesty reverence for Order above chaos respect for our holy institutions submission to our elders patience above passion eloquence in our proselytization of the Faith Evidence has been collected against the accused, and perhaps it is possible to interpret the emergence of more damning evidence in the words edeity has said since. Do we think this is evidence enough? If I can say one thing about edeity is that he has been prolific in his defense. And I am concerned that we the Amarr Faithful have not responded with eloquence or patience. It does not bode well for our own Faith if we are not able to enunciate the concerns against edeity. We have quotes from edeity, yes, but in my opinion these quotes are suspicious and ambiguous.. but are they a clear indictment of his heresy? Do Sani Sabik have a monopoly on celebrating victory over the enemy? How many bloody robes do we think our own ancestors have worn during the countless crusades that have laid the foundation of our great Empire? Does edeity's exultation of the genetic preeminence of his opponents in the field automatically mean he is interested in 'blooding' them? If there is proof against him, I have yet to find it in his public kill record. His history of combat tells us he is nothing but loyal Amarr. The Council has not just examined edeity's publicly recorded statements on IGS, which in and of themselves are sparse, but likely have also conducted a rigorous background check using data we have no access to. If edeity has personal, political influence over Heir Khanid, where is the evidence? How did Lord Alar Chakaid, a person with no public history, suddenly become a conspirator when we have absolutely no information on him to accuse him with? I am not saying that I don't believe edeity is Sani Sabik. Instead, what I am saying is that I don't have all the facts on hand. It is possible that I am overlooking the evidence sitting in front of the Court Chamberlain, which I have no knowledge of or any access to. I am also saying that because I am a commoner and a Capsuleer, and not a high ranking member of the government of our holy nation, what I think is not akin to fact at all. We do not live in a democracy, and we do not conduct our affairs like other nations do. +«+Ä+ä+Ä+é+Ä +º+ä+Æ+Ñ+É+å+¦+Ä+º+å+Ä +à+É+å+Æ +¦+Ä+ä+Ä+é+ì GïàGïàGïà ß¦âß¦¦ß¦ê ß¦¦ß¦Æß¦ê ß¦£-¦ß¦ëß¦âß¦ùß¦ëß¦ê ß¦Éß¦âß¦¦GïàGïàGïà ß¦Æß¦ÿß¦ù ß¦Æß¦á ß¦â ß¦£ß¦½ß¦Æß¦ù
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 277	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:07:53 - [167] - Quote edeity wrote: All I can see here is confirmation bias and delusional misinterpretation. Stop looking for zebras when there is but horses. This is but an Amarrian Loyalist, with piety and dedication in his heart, educated and trained within institutions founded by his very accusers. Where does the fault lie if there is any? As for the confusion of this dogma versus that dogma of heresy, there is a simple explanation if one realises there just simply is no heresy. The ignorance of your supposed feared fictions of evil doers, of which none has raised any evidence of actually existing beyond ramblings of madmen. The legend is that no real "sabik" I think that is the term bandied around loosely here, would ever actually claim to be one. They would only be able to be identified by another who knew their ways. This entire discussion is just ridiculous. What kind of heretic would serve in the heart of the Imperial Crusade, surrounded by the most talented and skilled in identifying heresy, persist through constant accusations to prove genuine loyalty not just with cheap words but action. Far more than the claimed loyalty of many of those throwing accusations here. I do not see most of you on the field of battle, and yes I am there every day. Furthermore, this utterly crude attempt at slander with Blood Raider accusation. Any even cursory glance one can tell this is no barbaric cretin out to destroy and harm for no good reason. So what kind of man would claim the deepest of orthodoxy to the faith and in the same breath be genuinely a servant of this completely separate group of outsiders? The mind boggles indeed. I mean sure, if there was the most fanciful of notions of the Order of Tetrimon's protection of some odd tracts here and there which some wayward minds studying led them to some bizarre conclusion in finding truths in this supposed "sabik" conspiracy which in turn was in league with this Omir character who was regarded as a potential "savant" and in turn formed a relationship within members of the Amarrian aristocracy or powerful, I mean that would be something logically that could explain it, but it is utter fancy. But really, why on earth would they go to all this effort. It makes no sense. A Sani Sabik would never admit it? No! We destroy weak Sani Sabik who are not strong enough to admit their faith. Fess up and join us or die like a coward! If you are not with the Blood Raider Covenant, you are just keeping your blood from those of us that need it to glorify Red God. So don't you dare cower now! Take all of their blood! Everyone's! Open the gates for Sani Sabik! Destroy the Theology Council for your master so we do not have a reason to be bothered with cowards like you! In plain terms, grow a ***** sac and admit who you are or shut the ** up!
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 463	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:16:59 - [168] - Quote Kin wrote: We have quotes from edeity, yes, but in my opinion these quotes are suspicious and ambiguous.. but are they a clear indictment of his heresy? What do you possibly find to be ambiguous about "In the name of the lord Omir Sarikusa" or "Peace of the Blood Emperor"? Lord Admiral of PIE inc.
Kin Rotschreck Cartel 26	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:36:06 - [169] - Quote Gaven Lok'ri wrote: Kin wrote: We have quotes from edeity, yes, but in my opinion these quotes are suspicious and ambiguous.. but are they a clear indictment of his heresy? What do you possibly find to be ambiguous about "In the name of the lord Omir Sarikusa" or "Peace of the Blood Emperor"? He places this statement in quotes, just like you just did. Does that make you a heretic, too? Lord Admiral Lok'ri, I am no one, a petty merchant. You are a great man given his life to the service of the Empire. So know that I say this with as much respect as is possible. When we try and make the evidence fit the crime, as investigators we see patterns emerge that will inevitably lead to a false conviction. I cannot say that I have all the facts at hand that Her Eminence Sourem Itharen evaluated. Can you? +«+Ä+ä+Ä+é+Ä +º+ä+Æ+Ñ+É+å+¦+Ä+º+å+Ä +à+É+å+Æ +¦+Ä+ä+Ä+é+ì GïàGïàGïà ß¦âß¦¦ß¦ê ß¦¦ß¦Æß¦ê ß¦£-¦ß¦ëß¦âß¦ùß¦ëß¦ê ß¦Éß¦âß¦¦GïàGïàGïà ß¦Æß¦ÿß¦ù ß¦Æß¦á ß¦â ß¦£ß¦½ß¦Æß¦ù
Sahriah BloodStone No.Mercy Triumvirate. 206	Posted - 2015.10.21 18:48:35 - [170] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: A Sani Sabik would never admit it? No! We destroy weak Sani Sabik who are not strong enough to admit their faith. Fess up and join us or die like a coward! If you are not with the Blood Raider Covenant, you are just keeping your blood from those of us that need it to glorify Red God. So don't you dare cower now! Take all of their blood! Everyone's! Open the gates for Sani Sabik! Destroy the Theology Council for your master so we do not have a reason to be bothered with cowards like you! In plain terms, grow a ***** sac and admit who you are or shut the ** up! Clearly you require an education in your own faith. The Sani Sabik have a long history of remaining in the shadows and effecting the world from there. The original sects on Athra hid from the inquisition, the founders of the Takmahl and indeed many other sects chose to leave the Amarr behind once space travel was readily available to them. Even today many Sabik hide in plain sight across all four empires. It is only the Blood Raiders and other radical offshoot sects that felt the need to wave a flag around and rub their eccentric and pointless rituals in everyone's faces, and while as amusing and inflammatory as it is, only proves one thing. Your bark is worse than your bite. It is amusing to see you come here and scream to the heavens that you are superior, when all the Blood Raiders have managed to accomplish is to be pushed back by a superior forces for their entire existence. The very thing you think you should be doing, is the very thing that causes you to fail. The real danger is the dagger you don't see. Not the sword waved about in front of your face. I won't bother to address Edeity's point, as you obviously lack the ability to comprehend it. Sahriah Bloodstone Praetor, No.Mercy "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 581	Posted - 2015.10.21 20:03:26 - [171] - Quote While I adhere and obey as to the decision as to your participation in the trials, since you are continuing to post in this thread as to whether you are Sani Sabik or a Blood Raider, I feel compelled to respond. Perhaps we can start another thread so as not to muddle issues? edeity wrote: All I can see here is confirmation bias and delusional misinterpretation. Stop looking for zebras when there is but horses. This is but an Amarrian Loyalist, with piety and dedication in his heart, educated and trained within institutions founded by his very accusers. Where does the fault lie if there is any? Yours, of course. edeity wrote: As for the confusion of this dogma versus that dogma of heresy, there is a simple explanation if one realises there just simply is no heresy. The ignorance of your supposed feared fictions of evil doers, of which none has raised any evidence of actually existing beyond ramblings of madmen. So unreal in fact, that footage of Omir himself made Scope News yesterday and blood raider "gauntlets" have suddenly appeared throughout the cluster? I myself destroyed several yesterday. So unreal that multiple systems had not been raided and religious sites descrated requiring the call of the Seventh fleet? I am sure the timing of these troubling events is also a pure coincidence and they have not been emboldened by any recent events. edeity wrote: The legend is that no real "sabik" I think that is the term bandied around loosely here, would ever actually claim to be one. They would only be able to be identified by another who knew their ways. Yes, well this is true. The typical Sabiks are known for their secret infiltration lest they be put to death by burning. This has even occurred up to the highest levels of government requiring action by the MIO and Theology Council on a myriad of occasions. Witness the Red Chancellor. In secrecy, they communicating to each other with hidden references and secret bywords of "savants" , "force of will" and "blood". Know someone else who writes like that? I think you do. Blood Raiders, on the other hand are even more overt, even to the point if putting forth information in their biographies, like perhaps someone you know rather well. edeity wrote: This entire discussion is just ridiculous. What kind of heretic would serve in the heart of the Imperial Crusade. A madman or a shrewd one. Witness again, the Red Chancellor who served at the highest levels of government. Witness even their infiltration into popular culture throughout the cluster. Witness also their sad infiltration into the 24th Imperial Crusade, as demonstrated by their sacrifice of millions of slaves after Huola fell last year or even in this thread, Nauplius's perverse sacrifice in support of you.
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary 54	Posted - 2015.10.21 20:26:03 - [172] - Quote Kin wrote: Faithful Amarr who toil and bleed for the Empire, respectfully.. I think what sets us apart from those who are not of the Amarr Faith, and sets us apart from Sani Sabik, is that we hold these virtues in the highest regard: honesty reverence for Order above chaos respect for our holy institutions submission to our elders patience above passion eloquence in our proselytization of the Faith Such balanced, reasonable and thoughtful discussion bodes well. I would encourage all who claim to be faithful to use all of their faculties, including their mind and not just jump to trite simplistic interpretations by rabid zealots gone made from floating around the Arzad system too long without much in the form of social interaction. I fear for my PIE brothers, the loneliness atop their lofty towers of narrowmindedness must be soul crushing at times. On the subject of the admirable leader and driving force that is Omir Sarikusa, who has help significantly civilise what was one a vile rabid band of mad pirates, I think we should look to how much worse it would be without saner more educated and dedicated minds leading them. We have supported others with just as heinous crimes being brought into political dialogue. In this time with the Drifters striking into the heart of the empire, we should be looking to all who can bring strength. I believe there is merit in consideration of political cooperation, at least once the trials are complete. Amarr needs fewer enemies, and we need support of the strong.
Ascentior PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 225	Posted - 2015.10.21 21:14:36 - [173] - Quote edeity wrote: On the subject of the admirable leader and driving force that is Omir Sarikusa, who has help significantly civilise what was one a vile rabid band of mad pirates, I think we should look to how much worse it would be without saner more educated and dedicated minds leading them. We have supported others with just as heinous crimes being brought into political dialogue. In this time with the Drifters striking into the heart of the empire, we should be looking to all who can bring strength. I believe there is merit in consideration of political cooperation, at least once the trials are complete. Amarr needs fewer enemies, and we need support of the strong. Just to be clear, you are saying that you believe Amir Sarikusa to be a potential ally? Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment) Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2502	Posted - 2015.10.21 21:43:05 - [174] - Quote Amarr conquers its enemies. We do not embrace them. And make no mistake, any follower of Sani Sabik heresies is an enemy of Amarr and an enemy of God. It is better to fight and lose righteously, than to win with the devil's aid. The blood raiders are not and never will be our allies. They are attacking us at this very instant! These people butcher innocents and bathe in their blood. Sarikusa just broadcast exactly that kind of filth on the Galnet days ago! If you consider this to be "civilized" behavior, then you are even more insane than I thought. The blasphemy here is intolerable. It is becoming more and more clear how much we need Lord Ardishapur on the throne. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 280	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:26:12 - [175] - Quote Sahriah BloodStone wrote: Anyanka Funk wrote: A Sani Sabik would never admit it? No! We destroy weak Sani Sabik who are not strong enough to admit their faith. Fess up and join us or die like a coward! If you are not with the Blood Raider Covenant, you are just keeping your blood from those of us that need it to glorify Red God. So don't you dare cower now! Take all of their blood! Everyone's! Open the gates for Sani Sabik! Destroy the Theology Council for your master so we do not have a reason to be bothered with cowards like you! In plain terms, grow a ***** sac and admit who you are or shut the ** up! Clearly you require an education in your own faith. The Sani Sabik have a long history of remaining in the shadows and effecting the world from there. The original sects on Athra hid from the inquisition, the founders of the Takmahl and indeed many other sects chose to leave the Amarr behind once space travel was readily available to them. Even today many Sabik hide in plain sight across all four empires. It is only the Blood Raiders and other radical offshoot sects that felt the need to wave a flag around and rub their eccentric and pointless rituals in everyone's faces, and while as amusing and inflammatory as it is, only proves one thing. Your bark is worse than your bite. It is amusing to see you come here and scream to the heavens that you are superior, when all the Blood Raiders have managed to accomplish is to be pushed back by a superior forces for their entire existence. The very thing you think you should be doing, is the very thing that causes you to fail. The real danger is the dagger you don't see. Not the sword waved about in front of your face. I won't bother to address Edeity's point, as you obviously lack the ability to comprehend it. I'll gladly go to a Blood Raider Prison Camp to be re-educated. Will you? You seem to think Sani Sabik is synonymous with cowardice. Maybe you should try converting. It's about strength! Those cowards that choose to hide their faith are killed by people who actually give a damn about Sani Sabik, the Blood Raiders! So why should we hide again? Did Jamyl hide? Do any of these Amarrian shitlords hide? Hmm. Maybe they are not as dumb as you. If this guy wants to hide his faith then he is a coward. The same for anyone that hides because of what they believe. They are betraying us all. You should probably educate yourself on how to not be a coward.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 280	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:36:19 - [176] - Quote edeity wrote: Kin wrote: Faithful Amarr who toil and bleed for the Empire, respectfully.. I think what sets us apart from those who are not of the Amarr Faith, and sets us apart from Sani Sabik, is that we hold these virtues in the highest regard: honesty reverence for Order above chaos respect for our holy institutions submission to our elders patience above passion eloquence in our proselytization of the Faith Such balanced, reasonable and thoughtful discussion bodes well. I would encourage all who claim to be faithful to use all of their faculties, including their mind and not just jump to trite simplistic interpretations by rabid zealots gone made from floating around the Arzad system too long without much in the form of social interaction. I fear for my PIE brothers, the loneliness atop their lofty towers of narrowmindedness must be soul crushing at times. On the subject of the admirable leader and driving force that is Omir Sarikusa, who has help significantly civilise what was one a vile rabid band of mad pirates, I think we should look to how much worse it would be without saner more educated and dedicated minds leading them. We have supported others with just as heinous crimes being brought into political dialogue. In this time with the Drifters striking into the heart of the empire, we should be looking to all who can bring strength. I believe there is merit in consideration of political cooperation, at least once the trials are complete. Amarr needs fewer enemies, and we need support of the strong. You will do nothing. You are a joke even to your own faith.
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary 56	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:48:35 - [177] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: You will do nothing. You are a joke even to your own faith. Carrot and stick little pup. Learn your lesson lest you have to learn another. The most fearsome of beasts hides as they hunt. It is the blundering prey that bleats loudly before it is slain. Control your tongue. Some may take offense that you think your place elevated. I am not a man of words.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 280	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:56:20 - [178] - Quote edeity wrote: Anyanka Funk wrote: You will do nothing. You are a joke even to your own faith. Carrot and stick little pup. Learn your lesson lest you have to learn another. The most fearsome of beasts hides as they hunt. It is the blundering prey that bleats loudly before it is slain. Control your tongue. Some may take offense that you think your place elevated. I am not a man of words. You're a coward! Just bleed them already!
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 280	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:02:10 - [179] - Quote Ediety is the worst wannabe Blood Raider I've ever seen! Take a tip from what Grand Master Omir Sarikusa has shown you, you cowardice slave, Bleed them all and bathe in their blood naked! Like us actual Blood Raiders!
Sinti Vailatti Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration 54	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:18:36 - [180] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Amarr conquers its enemies. We do not embrace them. And make no mistake, any follower of Sani Sabik heresies is an enemy of Amarr and an enemy of God. It is better to fight and lose righteously, than to win with the devil's aid. The blood raiders are not and never will be our allies. They are attacking us at this very instant! These people butcher innocents and bathe in their blood. Sarikusa just broadcast exactly that kind of filth on the Galnet days ago! If you consider this to be "civilized" behavior, then you are even more insane than I thought. The blasphemy here is intolerable. It is becoming more and more clear how much we need Lord Ardishapur on the throne. If you still have a problem with how the Cardinal Itharen and the Court Chamberlain doing their jobs, I'm sure your nav computer can show you fastest route to the Republic. Our job in this Empire is to serve and obey. This isn't even remotely open to debate. In the spirit of sisterhood, accept these words with all my love and respect.; please shut the **** up before you get yourself killed. GÇ£Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.GÇ¥
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2503	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:25:53 - [181] - Quote We are not sisters. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor "Reclaim our Empire"
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1173	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:39:59 - [182] - Quote And this is why blooders will never progress beyond the 'raider' moniker; they fall apart bickering the moment they try to form a coalition larger than a raiding party. I suspect King Khanid selected Edeity on a lark, partly because he is a good pilot of Amarrian hardware and partly because he likes to play jokes on the enemies he still has in the Empire. Of course, he also might be trying to flush out people who might challenge his rule should he become Emperor, which seems to be working out nicely right now... Anyway, to my fellow faithful, the only thing left to do now is defeat this most distasteful of prospective champions. There is never any point in arguing with heretics that are this far gone. Death is the only cure for their disease.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1205	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:44:46 - [183] - Quote Won't God see the truly righteous victorious in the end? Isn't that the whole reason for this ritual of fratricide?
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary 58	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:53:31 - [184] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: And this is why blooders will never progress beyond the 'raider' moniker; they fall apart bickering the moment they try to form a coalition larger than a raiding party. I suspect King Khanid selected Edeity on a lark, partly because he is a good pilot of Amarrian hardware and partly because he likes to play jokes on the enemies he still has in the Empire. Of course, he also might be trying to flush out people who might challenge his rule should he become Emperor, which seems to be working out nicely right now... Anyway, to my fellow faithful, the only thing left to do now is defeat this most distasteful of prospective champions. There is never any point in arguing with heretics that are this far gone. Death is the only cure for their disease. Aldrith, you are a wise man that sees more than you say. I know that you know that I know. As I have said many times, there is not a real blood raider in these parts. Just rabid fanbois that don a uniform and spout words of bravado. This is my proof in point that there really is nothing to fear here - just look, is those proclaiming their loyalties to a "false" god really the greatest of threats to the empire? I think not. My peace upon you.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1173	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:55:39 - [185] - Quote And my blade upon your throat.
Merdaneth Tzedakah Aegis Militia 375	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:17:28 - [186] - Quote I hope anyone can see this as the diversion it probably is and look for the less obvious but more potent danger.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 281	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:18:21 - [187] - Quote edeity wrote: Aldrith Shutaq wrote: And this is why blooders will never progress beyond the 'raider' moniker; they fall apart bickering the moment they try to form a coalition larger than a raiding party. I suspect King Khanid selected Edeity on a lark, partly because he is a good pilot of Amarrian hardware and partly because he likes to play jokes on the enemies he still has in the Empire. Of course, he also might be trying to flush out people who might challenge his rule should he become Emperor, which seems to be working out nicely right now... Anyway, to my fellow faithful, the only thing left to do now is defeat this most distasteful of prospective champions. There is never any point in arguing with heretics that are this far gone. Death is the only cure for their disease. Aldrith, you are a wise man that sees more than you say. I know that you know that I know. As I have said many times, there is not a real blood raider in these parts. Just rabid fanbois that don a uniform and spout words of bravado. This is my proof in point that there really is nothing to fear here - just look, are those proclaiming their loyalties to a "false" god really the greatest of threats to the empire? I think not. My peace upon you. Bow to your masters boi!
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 537	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:57:10 - [188] - Quote Lady Funk, if I may offer a suggestion: heaping vitriol upon pilots such as edeity and, earlier, the leader of Pandemic Legion is...perhaps not the best way to glorify the Red God. When I rebuke and chasten pilots, as I do all the time, I rebuke and chasten them for their sins. I preach the theology of the corrected Scriptures and the true meaning of the Apocryphon. But I do not make accusations of cowardice or overstate my own importance in combat or galactic politics. As a solo frigate pilot, among Empyreans I am the equivalent of a street preacher (albeit one who can afford to buy and sacrifice more slaves and build more temples than most baseliner street preachers). I expect a glorious, glorious reward from God at the Judgement...but try to be level-headed about my relative importance (or lack thereof) in this world. Consider this. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 281	Posted - 2015.10.22 01:01:36 - [189] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Lady Funk, if I may offer a suggestion: heaping vitriol upon pilots such as edeity and, earlier, the leader of Pandemic Legion is...perhaps not the best way to glorify the Red God. When I rebuke and chasten pilots, as I do all the time, I rebuke and chasten them for their sins. I preach the theology of the corrected Scriptures and the true meaning of the Apocryphon. But I do not make accusations of cowardice or overstate my own importance in combat or galactic politics. As a solo frigate pilot, among Empyreans I am the equivalent of a street preacher (albeit one who can afford to buy and sacrifice more slaves and build more temples than most baseliner street preachers). I expect a glorious, glorious reward from God at the Judgement...but try to be level-headed about my relative importance (or lack thereof) in this world. Consider this. Amen. Amarr Victor. There is no judgement for the chosen. We are eternal!
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 281	Posted - 2015.10.22 02:10:14 - [190] - Quote Evi Polevhia wrote: Won't God see the truly righteous victorious in the end? Isn't that the whole reason for this ritual of fratricide? No. This whole charade is because of lies enforced by the Theology Council. The truly chosen, like us Blood Raiders, do not fight like petty slaves. We take what red god has given us in this divine garden! To truly appreciate all life. All blood. And be equal with God. If we are to strike someone, they will be struck as red god strikes. Without mercy!
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary 62	Posted - 2015.10.22 02:27:34 - [191] - Quote A lesson passed on to me by elders is that the faithful fight for truth, and only one who defeats the most skilled and poweful is suitable to lead. Amarr has always had this truth in its heart. A truth we can all here acknowledge. Should any wish to test their suitability to bear authority, I can always be found quite easily. Until then boasts of knowledge and pedantry of recital of supposed learned sources ring hollow.
Sahriah BloodStone No.Mercy Triumvirate. 213	Posted - 2015.10.22 06:57:53 - [192] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: I'll gladly go to a Blood Raider Prison Camp to be re-educated. Will you? You seem to think Sani Sabik is synonymous with cowardice. Maybe you should try converting. It's about strength! Those cowards that choose to hide their faith are killed by people who actually give a damn about Sani Sabik, the Blood Raiders! So why should we hide again? Did Jamyl hide? Do any of these Amarrian shitlords hide? Hmm. Maybe they are not as dumb as you. If this guy wants to hide his faith then he is a coward. The same for anyone that hides because of what they believe. They are betraying us all. You should probably educate yourself on how to not be a coward. Amusing considering the first words of Omir's poem indicate he is indeed fleeing. edeity wrote: The most fearsome of beasts hides as they hunt. It is the blundering prey that bleats loudly before it is slain. Truer words have not been spoken Sahriah Bloodstone Praetor, No.Mercy "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1208	Posted - 2015.10.22 13:15:57 - [193] - Quote Sahriah BloodStone wrote: Amusing considering the first words of Omir's poem indicate he is indeed fleeing. Minor correction but I believe it's fled, not fleeing. They fled to Delve after persecution in the Empire. My assumption is during the inter Imperial strife of the Succession trials, the Drifter invasion, and the stalled out "war" against the Republic all three have made it a prime time for the Blood Raiders to 'return'. The Empire finds it self besieged by many foes. And yet, they have many more enemies waiting in the shadows. It was only a matter of time before those figures would step forth and attack too now that the Empress is dead and the Empire can scarcely hold their own. That is of course just an assumption.
Anise Tig'res Duchy Ministry of Slave Affairs 42	Posted - 2015.10.22 14:42:34 - [194] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Not two months since having been given the great gift of forgiveness and the opportunity to compete for the Imperial Throne and "His Royal Highness" already paints it in sin. http://i.imgur.com/dywTCS5.png https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6059806#post6059806 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6103754#post6103754 Khanid gave up his claim to the throne when he rebelled against God's Holy Empire. Now he calls blood raiders his champions. Are we to replace the Red Chamberlain with a Red Emperor? And they stood before Him, bathed in His light. Yet their eyes were blind, Their hearts rebellious, And their minds refused the Lord. Darkness descended upon them, Spreading inside their minds, And the flames of the Lord died within them. - Gheinok the First 1:13 At first I had doubt, I thought my King had betrayed us by spitting on the graves of the soldiers that won our freedom. Diving into the arms of a backwards throne held by a pretender and clone. Now I know he's just finding creative ways to insult the Empire and rattle some feathers. Masterful.
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 341	Posted - 2015.10.22 14:49:15 - [195] - Quote Of the Red Sunrise sun. Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110 Empress capsuleer. CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. "All these wayward children."
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 293	Posted - 2015.10.22 14:58:06 - [196] - Quote Anise Tig'res wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Not two months since having been given the great gift of forgiveness and the opportunity to compete for the Imperial Throne and "His Royal Highness" already paints it in sin. http://i.imgur.com/dywTCS5.png https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6059806#post6059806 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6103754#post6103754 Khanid gave up his claim to the throne when he rebelled against God's Holy Empire. Now he calls blood raiders his champions. Are we to replace the Red Chamberlain with a Red Emperor? And they stood before Him, bathed in His light. Yet their eyes were blind, Their hearts rebellious, And their minds refused the Lord. Darkness descended upon them, Spreading inside their minds, And the flames of the Lord died within them. - Gheinok the First 1:13 At first I had doubt, I thought my King had betrayed us by spitting on the graves of the soldiers that won our freedom. Diving into the arms of a backwards throne held by a pretender and clone. Now I know he's just finding creative ways to insult the Empire and rattle some feathers. Masterful. This is true. Ediety is just a mockery of a Blood Raider, indeed, to rattle Amarrian feathers.
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 32210	Posted - 2015.10.22 15:53:30 - [197] - Quote Nice vow of silence, again. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2296	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:58:41 - [198] - Quote Anslo wrote: Nice vow of silence, again. Traditionally cultist capsuleers aren't very good at keeping vows, as evidenced by the number of them over the years that have flip-flopped between factions. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 32211	Posted - 2015.10.22 18:07:37 - [199] - Quote First time for everything. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Pherno Timoris S.EVE.N 0	Posted - 2015.10.24 12:32:04 - [200] - Quote Bloody Omir ran away, Hiding from the light of day. He made a base out in the night, Far away from the Empire's might. Holders think they all are safe, Protected by the Empire's grace. Silly people, you should know... You shall reap just what you sow. Bloody Omir is coming back, With monsters from the endless black. Wading through a crimson flood, Omir has come to drink your blood.
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Interstellar Survey and Security 676	Posted - 2015.10.24 13:43:29 - [201] - Quote Pherno Timoris wrote: Bloody Omir ran away, Hiding from the light of day. He made a base out in the night, Far away from the Empire's might. Holders think they all are safe, Protected by the Empire's grace. Silly people, you should know... You shall reap just what you sow. Bloody Omir is coming back, With monsters from the endless black. Wading through a crimson flood, Omir has come to drink your blood. Bloody Omir's bloody late. How long will we have to wait? Sani Sabik will weep and cry, Bloody Omir's come to die. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1443	Posted - 2015.10.24 14:10:36 - [202] - Quote Does bloody Omir like children carols?
Sahriah BloodStone No.Mercy Triumvirate. 219	Posted - 2015.10.25 07:13:33 - [203] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Bloody Omir's bloody late. How long will we have to wait? Sani Sabik will weep and cry, Bloody Omir's come to die. I can't decide if you vastly overestimate the Sani Sabik's love for Omir, or if you instead simply lack understanding of their ways. They will not weep for those not strong enough to survive. Cute poem though. Sadly however, it is much more likely that he will simply limp back off into the darkness without ever showing his own face on the battlefield. A shame that some other select Raiders will not do the same. Sahriah Bloodstone Praetor, No.Mercy "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 301	Posted - 2015.10.25 14:42:39 - [204] - Quote Sahriah BloodStone wrote: Sinjin Mokk wrote: Bloody Omir's bloody late. How long will we have to wait? Sani Sabik will weep and cry, Bloody Omir's come to die. I can't decide if you vastly overestimate the Sani Sabik's love for Omir, or if you instead simply lack understanding of their ways. They will not weep for those not strong enough to survive. Cute poem though. Sadly however, it is much more likely that he will simply limp back off into the darkness without ever showing his own face on the battlefield. A shame that some other select Raiders will not do the same. Yap yap yap.
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 349	Posted - 2015.10.25 19:39:20 - [205] - Quote And generally speaking. But you yourself wanted to the new Emperor. Here there is a chance that the glorious a good Bloody Emperor Khanid will be rule justly and honor the tradition. What do you so excited who would not became Emperor, he will solve all problems that are now is, and you will will remember it as a strong Emperor. Which overcame chaos within the Empire. P.s Quote: (it is written in the script that would the new Emperor was a good start. He also should be better to Empress Witch " After all, so you was her name in 2013") All will be well, all of love and happiness. Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110 Empress capsuleer. CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. "All these wayward children."

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