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Avvy
Republic University
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Posted - 2015.11.03 10:14:25 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
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To clarify on my own reaction: I'm not a fan, because it leads to the feeling that people 'must' buy skill points to keep their character competitive. Yes, people could always go and buy a character off the Bazaar. But their connection to a character like that is less. Also, it's a significantly higher outlay, so it's not a 'normal' option for people to take. With a lower initial cost, the pressure is higher. And I think that's a bad idea.
(Will it kill Eve? Nope. I just don't think it'll be good for it)
I don't see that as relevant.
Reason being the only way (talking skill points) you can presently get skill points is by having an active account. So those starting can never be competitive as there is presently no catch up if players continue to subscribe.
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.03 10:36:50 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:If it's not people paying real money for SP, I have no problems with it.
We can already sell our alts for isk on the bazaar. And lots of people have expressed an interest in shedding useless skills. Why is this such a problem? I think your last sentence is answered by the possibility of your first. I've mellowed on my initial reaction to the idea. Still cautious, but we'll see how it develops.
I can understand the negative reaction of some people to this.
A lot of people have played the game a long time and some of those will view it as an achievement. So being able to buy sp undermines their sense of achievement. |
Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.03 12:44:52 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:People have been selling SP through the Character Bazaar for years. This is no different. The process is just more streamlined.
There is a difference, a character from the bazaar has a set amount of sp to increase it you need an active account.
Unless they impose a restriction on trading sp, there is no limit. |
Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.03 16:17:29 -
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Doddy wrote:Um what is the problem here? All that is happening is characters which were sold as a whole are now being sold in 500k packets. So basically it has made it open to non super rich people (in game or out of game). Why on earth would you expect a mass protest against somethig which will only help the majority and especially new players, players with less rl money and players with less in game money?
So what is the estimate for the cost of a 500k packet? |
Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.04 01:13:35 -
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strangescript wrote:Fundamentally, Eve is struggling as of late because its too slow. It takes forever to do anything meaningful, including training skills.
The few of us that have been around since the beginning know that the game was originally designed where you gain skillpoints over time AND from doing things in game. You shoot autocannons in game, your autocannon skillpoints go up.
It was removed very early because of exploiting. If I remember correctly, it was assumed the system would be fixed at the time.
Since then, everything is time locked. You start the game, you dig it, and realize one day you want to fly some battleship with at least average skills. Great, I will get back to you in two months (at the bare minimum). Oh, and there is literally no way you can speed it up. That is a tough pill to swallow compared to competition in the sandboxy, risk vs reward pvp genre these days.
Frankly, you have been able to buy isk (via plex), and with it, a high SKP character for a long time. The world has not ended. Making the process easier isn't going to change anything. Plus it kills a lot of other birds with the same stone, like getting rid of wasted skills, respecing and character/account merging.
Was it exploiting or some players were progressing too fast?
Similar thing happened with Saga of Ryzom (sandbox game), people were progressing too fast so they nerfed the progress, in the process they turned it into more of a grind and people left as WoW was being released at that time.
They would have lost some to WoW anyway, but they lost more because they annoyed their player base. It never recovered from that. |
Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.22 18:54:08 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
This SP vampirism will benefit the rich veterans the most and make the gap between them and newbies larger.
So not really any different to the bazaar then, which they are supposed to replace.
Edit:
Hence the diminishing returns and hopefully an sp cap for there use.
The new system does add an interesting side effect.
A rich corp. could strengthen their forces over night if there were enough sp packets available. |
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