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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.11.28 03:21:00 -
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According to one of my friends, CCP is going
to release Tech-2 through Agent-missions.
If this is true and CCP is stupid enough
to make this misstake, i think ALOT of players
will leave EvE very fast, players are already
leave this game because of the lack on content.
Take this for an example:
CCP said in the Start of the retail that
Elite-frigates would be "inserted" into the game
after a few weeks.... where are they  .
I know you guys are doing your best, and that
this is your first game.
But you need to hurry up !.
Hey.. i love this game, best one i played EVER-
but if something does not happen soon, i cant
promise Ill keep paying 12$ a month to play
a game with nothing "new".
So PLEASE.. dont release Tech-2 through Agent.
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.11.28 03:24:00 -
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I think you're wrong.
Releasing tech 2 through agents is the best idea I've heard so far, and I believe that was the conclusion (or at least the general consensus) when this was discussed on the forums a few months back.
It's all about balance of distribution. You can't get much fairer than this, I think.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.11.28 03:47:00 -
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Yeah... but i dont think anyone will wanna spend
4-500 Agent missions for and Dominix Tech-2 BP
when its gonna SUCK compared to the other
Tech-2 Battleships.
Maybe release some of the Tech-2 modules BP
through agents, but not the Ship BPs.
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Araviel
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Posted - 2003.11.28 03:53:00 -
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Edited by: Araviel on 28/11/2003 03:55:58
i agree whit beringe, this will help to balance the market better, tech 2 items will not be "over" distributed thanks to this system. it will resolve into a better balance between demand and suply.
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EveJunkie
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Posted - 2003.11.28 04:05:00 -
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I dont mind...so long as they make the agent missions more INTRESTING.
Allow group missions, complex multipart missions, missions with a bit of story.
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Zen Later
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Posted - 2003.11.28 04:05:00 -
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This has got to be a new Eve-landia record ladies and gentlemen!
We have somebody complaining about Eve, before that part of Eve has even been released.
Congrats Dreez! You get the Civilian Shield Booster award!
P.S....since no official word on how all of the Tech 2 deal is gonna go down has come out yet, other than the little drib or drab here or there (which tends to be a little conflicting at times btw), how about ya just sit back and wait for the actual release and then bemoan it. 
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Belag
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Posted - 2003.11.28 04:56:00 -
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It is discouraging the amount of content...... But personally..... I think that EVE is the BEST online Mining game ever made.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 05:05:00 -
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*sigh*
Have you ever played another MMOG before? Ever tried to get something of some significance?
Anyone that leaves Eve over the agents distributing Tech 2 will either abandon MMOGs entirely or come right back. While missions are a fairly new feature in MMOGs (starting with AO), camping mobs who have a random chance of dropping an item is age old. Large group efforts (think 20+ people) to kill a mob that carries it is another favored tactic. Horizons will have you mining, lumberjacking or harvesting flax till your arms bleed instead of sweat to get a random formula from an NPC task giver.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Black Lung
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Posted - 2003.11.28 05:07:00 -
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What about the people that dont have agents to begin with? Sucks for them since lvl 3 agents will seem to be the ones giving out the Tech 2 stuff.
I dont think anyone wants to work for over a week or so doing lame agent missions just to get Tech 2, its bogus.
I like this game and all but lately this game hasnt been pulling its weight. Been here since first week and I am BORED. Mining, NPC hunting, trading, etc. dont do it for me.
Its quite sad that a game I like as become the game "collecting dust" on my hd. I hardly log on anymore, just to train skills, like many other people do. No wonder we dont see above 5000 people on the server anymore.
BTW, about this "everyone log on Dec 7." thing, its pointless. Even if it does succeed, who will care? Its not like everyone is going to flock to the game after that. I also doubt that this will raise the morale of players.
But my deal here is that if I dont see any improvement in this game whatsoever by my next expiration date, I am out and off to the wonderfull world of having a life and playing some good ol FPS while I wait for MxO to come out. But of course, I would be just another small chunk of CCP's paycheck gone, so it wont matter.
Good luck CCP, you will need it.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.11.28 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Dreez on 28/11/2003 05:09:30
Ok, on that part i agree, if they are going
to make Tech-2 dropp from Agents, make the
missions abit mroe "fun".
Not those "go from X to Y and dropp Z  .
And yes, Releasing Tech-2 from Agents could
bring stability to the market, but then only
those Corps that has members willing to
spends Hour after hour doing missions wont
get any Tech-2.
I sure as h3ll wont do it  ,
im a fighter not a arendboy
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.11.28 05:32:00 -
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Just to clear things up. You don't have to do missions to get TL2 BPs from agents, you just start research with a research agent. You don't even have to do agent missions to get the skills if you just wait a bit and buy the skill off another player who will most likely have more than they can use.
Bottom line is if you don't like doing missions do something you do like and buy whatever it is you need with isk you earned doing something you enjoy.
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2003.11.28 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: Golgrath on 28/11/2003 05:38:00
edit: Lola was faster
Where do people get the idea that you must do 500 agent missions to get tech2? There are lvl 1 research agents which you can get even with 0.0 standing. Other players will sell their excess new research skillbooks they get on market. So no agent missions necessary there either. '
Then there is the 'halting missions' but you don't have to do those either, those will just increase your research points.
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Black Lung
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Posted - 2003.11.28 05:53:00 -
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Forgot about the research agents, thanks for clearing that up.
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Shauna
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Posted - 2003.11.28 06:00:00 -
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Isn't this going to coincide with a change in the agent system where you don't have to do the ladder thing anymore? |
Lola
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Posted - 2003.11.28 07:00:00 -
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Isn't this going to coincide with a change in the agent system where you don't have to do the ladder thing anymore?
yep
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Mjolnir
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Posted - 2003.11.28 07:59:00 -
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I would hope this is not the only method to release new tech into the game. Id like to see events or some really rare npc pirate that roams around and is uber hard to kill drop a bp or like an auction type deal. This would allow for a lot more variety.
From what I understand about research agents, correct me if im wrong, you tell an agent what you wanna research. Slowly you gain research points and when you reach a certain amount you have a random chance to get a bp. One of my biggest concerns about this is the randomness, with my experince doing missions CCP's idea of being random is far from it.
Oh and what ever happened to reverse enginering and all that other good stuff?????
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 08:03:00 -
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I would hope this is not the only method to release new tech into the game. Id like to see events or some really rare npc pirate that roams around and is uber hard to kill drop a bp or like an auction type deal. This would allow for a lot more variety.
3 Words:
Miner II Fiasco
Events are a lynching waiting to happen. There is already some minor backlash from the Amarr championships, with people grousing about how the other races are left out. If the reward was a blueprint for those ships, these forums would have burned down already.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Mjolnir
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Posted - 2003.11.28 08:13:00 -
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Quote:
3 Words:
Miner II Fiasco
Events are a lynching waiting to happen. There is already some minor backlash from the Amarr championships, with people grousing about how the other races are left out. If the reward was a blueprint for those ships, these forums would have burned down already.
Well granted that was crap, but I think that was more because of CCP choice of event and its methods of going about it. I mean having that M2 event in STAIN of all places was just a problem waiting to happen. They tried to remedy the situation with that scavenger hunt that did around yulai, but again that just seem to appease people and had no real RP value at all. This championship even was great tho, even though i didnt get the participate. If people think that was the only event was going to happen those people are complete idiots. Im sure there are going to be other empire specific events occuring. As for forum backlash, isnt there always forum backlash? If it isnt one thing its another, you cant please everyone.
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Buddrow
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Posted - 2003.11.28 08:21:00 -
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Yes, that is because poeple do not see this as it is. a game, play it... what games do you get to participate in every event and have a chance at every thing? come on now i think amarr championships were cool. one of my corp members fought and we gave her total support i let her beat on my raven and attack me all damn week in preperation. i think players need to find possibly find some mates to work with or a corporation. the comrodery and brotherhood is what makes eve fun for me. not to mention the actual game.
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Angry Sheep
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Posted - 2003.11.28 08:45:00 -
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Some of you guys have missed the other post - its a 70% majority agaiunst agent missions for tech 2.
its a about 70 - 80% vote against agents only being available in empire space - not at all research stations
CCP have there fingers in their ears on this one
It's a Dog eat Dog World out there and I'm wearing Milky Bone underwear
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 08:50:00 -
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Some of you guys have missed the other post - its a 70% majority agaiunst agent missions for tech 2.
its a about 70 - 80% vote against agents only being available in empire space - not at all research stations
CCP have there fingers in their ears on this one
It's more like a .07% minority majority. These forums are not representative of the playerbase.
Have any of you ever played another MMOG before? I'd suspect many have not.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.11.28 09:07:00 -
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You don't have all the details on how the new systems are going to work.
Half of what you "know" isn't true.
The only thing that worries me, personally, is the same that worries Morkt Drak. Three new systems on top of one another might be problematic.
Testing is key.
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Khar'du
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Posted - 2003.11.28 09:12:00 -
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Well, I for one disagree completely with inserting Tech 2 thru missions.
It's a very unbalanced way of introducing tech imho. It forces people towards missions. I myself have not done a single mission yet, and as such lack agents. This would mean I do not get a chance at tech 2 ? If, so CCP should have stated more clearly that agent missions are a requirement if you want to play a role in technical advancement.
Tech 2 should be availiable through missions
and by every other means conceivable, as long as a decent part of the player base has the possibility to compete for the items. More ways of introducing will only help balancing.
The hardest thing will be the first weeks after patch. Who will be getting the first T2 items ? And how will they be inserted into Eve ?
Using missions for this first tech 2 contact will mean I (and lots of others) cannot compete.
Since all single delivery channels share that downside, I would expect CCP to use all of them from the start.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 09:39:00 -
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Well, I for one disagree completely with inserting Tech 2 thru missions.
It's a very unbalanced way of introducing tech imho. It forces people towards missions. I myself have not done a single mission yet, and as such lack agents. This would mean I do not get a chance at tech 2 ? If, so CCP should have stated more clearly that agent missions are a requirement if you want to play a role in technical advancement.
Do you have isk? Good. You can buy both the TL 2 items and the TL 2 bps from someone. I can guarantee that.
Cause I sold my Miner II bp 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Ranandor
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Posted - 2003.11.28 09:45:00 -
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How much did you sell it for ?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 09:47:00 -
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How much did you sell it for ?
400 million
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.11.28 09:48:00 -
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OMG.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 09:52:00 -
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OMG.
Plus a good 400-450 in Miner II sales = Scorpion Original blueprint...
Which I'm considering selling for 850m (ME 7) or trading for a Typhoon original + Isk (depending on research). Not bad for about a week
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Eldariel
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Posted - 2003.11.28 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Eldariel on 28/11/2003 09:58:49
It's going to be interesting seeing how long it takes T2 items to filter through using this approach ...
Depending on skill training requirements, and the time taken to accumulate research points (and CCPs lottery distribution weighted by research skill points) it could be weeks/ months after Castor release before "new" T2 items/ BPs start to appear ... (assuming there isnt a random drop of T2 items on the market on release)
Hmmmm ....
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Varia
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Posted - 2003.11.28 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Varia on 28/11/2003 09:59:13
nice 
So two main choices.
1. It time to do the agent thing.
or
2. Pay through the nose.
Anybody want to buy a level 3 concord agent 
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