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Posted - 2003.11.28 10:03:00 -
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I'm not going to say anything till tech 2 is out and I can see how it's going to be with my own eyes. ------------------
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Angry Sheep
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Posted - 2003.11.28 10:14:00 -
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Ther problem with till its out and see = too late to change or tweeks become harder.
this system can be awsome, but it can be just as flawed as the Minor II fiasco
It's a Dog eat Dog World out there and I'm wearing Milky Bone underwear
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Carp Riddell
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Posted - 2003.11.28 11:27:00 -
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Personally I've got no problem with the blueprints coming in through agents as long as you've got to work your ass of to get them.
The more attractive blueprints will be near-as-damnit licenses to print money (for a while at least) and so should require real effort to get.
Okay, I can the logic in dropping in fairly inconsequential BPs via 'events', NPC kills and what have you because they're not game-changers...but real goldmines (the Tachyon II BP for example) should be a nightmare to get.
The numbers really do need to be limited though, otherwise we'll see a Miner II-esque situation were prices plummet and Tech II goods become almost zero-profit items.
(Was interesting to see how you did with Miner II BP Jash ) - Carp Riddell - CEO, Innsmouth Shipping - Proud Member of Curse Alliance
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.11.28 11:34:00 -
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Tachyon II won't be as valuable as, say, Capacitor Relay II or Power Diagnostics II.
As for working your ass off for them, hell yeah. What work is involved in instal blueprint, click research, wait a month? None whatsoever.
Agent system is the best solution for the time being.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Quantum Gopher
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Posted - 2003.11.28 13:11:00 -
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In ultima Online (UO)...you can buy normal weapons and armor from npc vendors (provisioners, blacksmiths etc). They are functional and do their job.
If you want the "good stuff"...better weapons and armor...you either have to learn the skill to make it yourself or buy it from others who have learned the skill to make it.
In short, you have to WORK for the better stuff or PAY others that WORK to get it.
This has been a perfectly acceptable formula ever since I started playing UO almost 3 years ago.
Why should it be any different here with EVE? You either work to get your BP or you buy it from someone who has done the work already.
Q. Gopher __________ I know...it's only ROCK and roll, but I like it!! |
Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2003.11.28 14:25:00 -
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Quote: If this is true and CCP is stupid enough to make this misstake, i think ALOT of players will leave EvE very fast, players are already leave this game because of the lack on content.
Hope people won't be leaving once that comes out due to lack of content also, since um hrm, it would be what they been asking for since....2 weeks after release. Sure the tech2 BPs wont be placed in their laps as I'm sure they want, wierd, you might have to spend time to get something new.
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Eldariel
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Posted - 2003.11.28 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Eldariel on 28/11/2003 14:32:44
Most pure researchers don't have a problem with putting time and effort into tech advancement - they'd just rather have that time and effort implemented in a more "interesting" and creative way
I doubt you'd find any researcher worth their lab coat that thinks research should be:
> log on > put BP in lab > log off > come back a week later
... but then I doubt you'd find many that think it should be a ...
> transport x to y (x N) > kill NPC (x N) > aquire research-specialisation skill > chat to research agent > get lucky in lotto
... approach either
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.11.28 15:19:00 -
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A quitting thread, please lock.
The devs are smarter than j00 (tm)
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.11.28 15:53:00 -
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Just find and read the information yourself instead of blindly believing in what somebody else is telling you
To give you a hint: Access to agents will be based on standing in the new system, not on mission count.
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Sphinx Faerie
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Posted - 2003.11.28 16:46:00 -
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Dreez, u are right - eve getting booring, something must happend soon! CCP is just waiting with this on purpose! I know it, if they wanted, they could easily released all this stuff sooner..:/ IF ccp will release ALL tech 2 items trough Agent missions, I will probably quit eve for real..:) but I dont think ccp is that stupid ;)
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SKiNNiEH
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Posted - 2003.11.28 16:54:00 -
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I dont see how this would be a good way to introduce tech level 2 items. Getting bp's should be a corporate effort.. not some lone agent mission player's wet dream.
I have 0 agent missions under my belt.. and i'm not planning on becoming some Fed Ex agent-mission-package-hauler for a few months just to get a tech 2 item (by which time all the tech2 items will be on the market at insane prices).
If they release it like that, well... I'd be pi_ssed :) -------
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Eldariel
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Posted - 2003.11.28 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Eldariel on 28/11/2003 17:00:49
Quote: To give you a hint: Access to agents will be based on standing in the new system, not on mission count
... and how do you increase faction standing, and obtain research specialisations skill packs
Why agent missions of course ... (or at least that seems to be the method most likely of success)
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2003.11.28 17:00:00 -
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Quote: ... and how do you increase faction standing, and obtain research specialisations skill packs
Why agent missions of course ...
Can up standing also by bribing your agent, no need to do the missions for him to up your faction with him.
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Eldariel
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Posted - 2003.11.28 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Eldariel on 28/11/2003 17:09:31
Apparently bribes are being removed ... (if you believe some of the other threads)
One would assume that races have inherent faction standing which would allow them access to some agents fairly rapidly though - which would at least get you a foot in the door
I actually quite like the agents involvement in research - I'd just like to see something more material than accumulating skill points when it comes to the actual research process ...
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Zinke
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Posted - 2003.11.28 17:35:00 -
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TL2 BP are second step in the process.
First one i aquaring research skills which will you need to train.
I doubt that youcan research TL 2 Apoc with Amariian starship engineering level 1 but would most likely get TL2 Tormentor.
So before you start blaming agents consider that either way you have to train close to 25 mill skill points in research skills (and yes those TL2 level 2 BS will take some time).
Fact is if you have managed to get 5-6 million combat skill points from the time you started playing this game you are not researcher.
Fact is that not everyone will be able to do everything (like with TL1 items) and that is good thing.
It is really sad that people still did not get reality check and that they are feeling like they are entitled for something and everything.
This change is for good. It is for specialization on trades and clear definition of researchers.
To that, just out of character creation, alt with max 100k skill points and who did all ME and PE research as well as BP copiing, "NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU!"
Enjoy it.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.11.29 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Archemedes on 29/11/2003 02:30:42 Personally, I'm a researcher. Of course I have very little to DO yet as a researcher, so I also trained basic mining skills (always useful) and a lot of combat skills (because combat is a fun diversion) and have done a lot of agent missions (less boring than solo mining, implant sales make them worth it). I like the proposed system for tech 2 a lot, but that's partly because I have to play solo often (I'm in a 7-member corp) and I actually like agent missions. Sure they get a bit dull, but you don't DO them when you're looking for intense gameplay. You do agent missions while you watch TV, do housework, cook dinner... all that time when you can't afford to focus 100% on the game but would still like to earn ISK. Then when you have a couple hours solid game time with no distractions, kiss the agent goodbye and head out to do some hunting. Granted some of you may play 6-8 hours a day focused entirely on the game, but many of us don't.
Besides, this gives anyone a chance to get Tech 2 BPs. If you don't do missions, you presumably do something ELSE that pays better (most things do). So you'll have more ISK than a mission runner. Since actually USING Tech 2 BPs will need new manufacturing skills the mission runner probably won't be able to build the item anyway... you'll have extra ISK and he'll have a BP he can't use. See the obvious solution here?
I look at this as the first step toward making a more realistic economy. Deep core mining, research agents, tools... it all adds up to make a situation where:
1) Research corps / freelancers get BPs 2) Manufacturers buy the BPs 3) Mining corps sell minerals to the the manufacturers 4) Manufacturers make or buy non-mineral items, add in minerals, and build Tech 2 items 5) Researchers and miners buy pre-built items from manufacturers
Of course megacorps will have several of these divisions covered, but the point is to have DIFFERENT PEOPLE getting BPs, getting resources, and actually doing the assembly. Where's the economy if one corp does it all?
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.11.29 10:12:00 -
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Quote: Isn't this going to coincide with a change in the agent system where you don't have to do the ladder thing anymore?
huh, any links for this comment?
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.29 10:25:00 -
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Don't let the door hit you in the...........
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.11.29 14:47:00 -
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what about people like me? with low sec rating how are we supposed to get this tech 2 stuff if we cant even get an agent? and even if we get an agent it sends us to 1.0 space??
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.29 15:46:00 -
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Quote: what about people like me? with low sec rating how are we supposed to get this tech 2 stuff if we cant even get an agent? and even if we get an agent it sends us to 1.0 space??
You buy the finished goods from manufacturers with the blueprints. Or you can always hope for a catch from a raid...
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
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Tease
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Posted - 2003.11.29 17:08:00 -
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Quote: what about people like me? with low sec rating how are we supposed to get this tech 2 stuff if we cant even get an agent? and even if we get an agent it sends us to 1.0 space??
waaaah! *sniff*
poor babies ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way |
Ravenal
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Posted - 2003.11.29 18:18:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Dreez on 28/11/2003 05:09:30 Ok, on that part i agree, if they are going to make Tech-2 dropp from Agents, make the missions abit mroe "fun".
Not those "go from X to Y and dropp Z .
And yes, Releasing Tech-2 from Agents could bring stability to the market, but then only those Corps that has members willing to spends Hour after hour doing missions wont get any Tech-2.
I sure as h3ll wont do it , im a fighter not a arendboy
hey! the fun part is getting the bp ;) ...new sig coming up Ravenal - Fate is what you make of it. |
Lagar
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Posted - 2003.11.29 22:51:00 -
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no all you need is the original dominix BP and research it to tech 2
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.11.30 00:08:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: what about people like me? with low sec rating how are we supposed to get this tech 2 stuff if we cant even get an agent? and even if we get an agent it sends us to 1.0 space??
waaaah! *sniff*
poor babies
OMG you ugly troll!!
I asked a simple question, it was hardly a whining rant
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.30 00:34:00 -
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OMG you ugly troll!!
I asked a simple question, it was hardly a whining rant
That's Tease for you.
Seriously tho Hanns, where there's a will there's a way. Large sums of isk will do. Prosecuting a war against a corp that has what you want, demanding their tl2 bp as a condition of surrender will do as well. People in Venal/Fountain/Stain have to get the blueprints up there somehow.
Doing agent missions is hardly the only method to aquire them. Just depends on your preferred 'Aquisition Methods'
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Hanns
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Posted - 2003.11.30 05:44:00 -
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Quote:
Seriously tho Hanns, where there's a will there's a way. Doing agent missions is hardly the only method to aquire them. Just depends on your preferred 'Aquisition Methods'
Heheh i guess your right
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