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Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3891	Posted - 2015.10.19 01:04:38 - [1] - Quote Wow. So, we all have seen the glorious proud to be carebear posts of Estavan here. His mouthy nature earned him a wardec from myself (he claimed they would roll corp, but as of the time the dec went live, its still up and running). He promptly blocks anyone who questions his madness. Why the thread? Well, look for yourself @ http://worldtradersguild.com/ He decided to write about a half page of inane ravings regarding his opinon of how wardecs are only for "criminals". Let me draw your attention to a particular favorite of mine: Quote: ....Wardec system is like a payment you make in a hospital to take babies from the incubators and throw them at the sewer... This dude has some seriously misguided opinions on the way the game works, or in fact that it is a game in the first place... Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 3421	Posted - 2015.10.19 01:16:58 - [2] - Quote I can pay a hospital for what now?
Cyclo Hexanol The Dickwad Squad Slaver's Union 12	Posted - 2015.10.19 01:22:30 - [3] - Quote That honestly sounds like one of the most bad ass ways to describe the profession. 10/10 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ King of Stating the Obvious 2015 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Elected by: Random forum alt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Spruillo Spruillo Corp 39	Posted - 2015.10.19 01:25:17 - [4] - Quote THIS WILL B DEALT WITH. PLAYIN SPACE TRUCKS VROOM VROOM
Demerius Xenocratus Rapid Withdrawal 705	Posted - 2015.10.19 05:15:34 - [5] - Quote Given the competency level of most highsec dwellers the wardec system is, in practice, a baby seal clubbing license with no bag limit. But sure, have at it. If he's stupid enough to undock after all this he deserves his fate. Do give us an update if actual shooting occurs. Personally I'd show up outside his station in a battle procurer and challenge him to honorable single combat. Or maybe a nereus...you get the idea.
Paranoid Loyd 7230	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:28:47 - [6] - Quote Long live the inquisition! "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25441	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:14:59 - [7] - Quote Quote: ....Wardec system is like a payment you make in a hospital to take babies from the incubators and throw them at the sewer... Wat?Gäó WatGäó is brought to you courtesy of Jim Era. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3901	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:44:36 - [8] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Given the competency level of most highsec dwellers the wardec system is, in practice, a baby seal clubbing license with no bag limit. But sure, have at it. If he's stupid enough to undock after all this he deserves his fate. Do give us an update if actual shooting occurs. Personally I'd show up outside his station in a battle procurer and challenge him to honorable single combat. Or maybe a nereus...you get the idea. I will. I doubt anything actually happens, it was more for the point. Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 3436	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:14:51 - [9] - Quote Calling them baby seals is misleading because it implies their youth or lack of maturity is the source of their vulnerability when actually it's a self inflicted lack of knowledge or unwillingness to attempt self defense. A fish in a barrel shooting licence would be more apt. But even then the competence of both the aggressor and the defender are the factors that affect the difficulty of the war for both parties so it's equally a bear poking license. Ask anyone without significant highsec pvp experience who declared war on my spy alt exactly how their seal clubbing expedition went for them.
Saeger1737 Bite the pillow The Pursuit of Happiness 1165	Posted - 2015.10.20 02:26:49 - [10] - Quote I can smell a wardec
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6886	Posted - 2015.10.20 06:53:49 - [11] - Quote You do however miss that he's got some pretty good points. Such as: Quote: As it is today, there is no reason for small Corporations to seek growth, as that growth is the monster that will devour them. Quote: it is a bottle neck of development, granting that people are scattered enough to either remain small, or join an already powerful block. It's the biggest issue I have with wardecs too, they prevent growth, ensuring that newer and lower skilled players (because that's who hangs out in highsec, whether you're a wardeccer or not) have less options for collaboration. And it's simply because wardeccers don't have to choose between targets and don't gain anything by going after tough targets, so they simply pick a plethora of soft targets instead. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Cyclo Hexanol The Dickwad Squad Slaver's Union 24	Posted - 2015.10.25 01:38:16 - [12] - Quote Saeger1737 wrote: I can smell a wardec Try taking a shower <3 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ King of Stating the Obvious 2015 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Elected by: Random forum alt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Adriel Malakai Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 605	Posted - 2015.10.25 02:14:13 - [13] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: It's the biggest issue I have with wardecs too, they prevent growth, ensuring that newer and lower skilled players (because that's who hangs out in highsec, whether you're a wardeccer or not) have less options for collaboration. And it's simply because wardeccers don't have to choose between targets and don't gain anything by going after tough targets, so they simply pick a plethora of soft targets instead. To be fair that's not always the case. For example, we're pretty much just finishing off RvB at the moment, after repeatedly beating them into the ground over the past few weeks while their active members have slowly declined. Considering that they literally beat the tar out of the majority of the 'merc coalition' a year or so ago, they're not exactly a soft target. These jihads are pretty much all we play EVE for anymore. We honestly aren't really sure what we're going to do now, as we've gone after pretty much every pvp group in HS, done a number of null/low/wh deployments, and are pretty much getting to the end of line. Maybe go after Eve Uni next?
Aoife Fraoch Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 189	Posted - 2015.10.25 02:38:37 - [14] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: You do however miss that he's got some pretty good points. Such as: Quote: As it is today, there is no reason for small Corporations to seek growth, as that growth is the monster that will devour them. Quote: it is a bottle neck of development, granting that people are scattered enough to either remain small, or join an already powerful block. It's the biggest issue I have with wardecs too, they prevent growth, ensuring that newer and lower skilled players (because that's who hangs out in highsec, whether you're a wardeccer or not) have less options for collaboration. And it's simply because wardeccers don't have to choose between targets and don't gain anything by going after tough targets, so they simply pick a plethora of soft targets instead. I do not totally agree but you do make a good point. I would argue that in a lot of cases the corps that make themselves soft targets are limited by war decs. Though personally I do not think this is a problem to be fixed by removing or restricting war decs. I think this is an issue that is better solved by giving players a path from NPC corp, to small low investment groups and on to higher risk/rewards corporations. And yes, I probably do mean something like social groups added mechanically to the game to make purple fleets and other groups more accessible and visible.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 12540	Posted - 2015.10.25 09:20:49 - [15] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Long live the inquisition! =]\|[= (I will actually kick this up to the Vikings and see if they want in) Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1485	Posted - 2015.10.25 11:27:43 - [16] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: The completely erroneous reputation wars have as being inherently risk-free for the aggressor leads to really fun scenarios like people from lowsec forming highsec pvp corps under the assumption it'll be an awesome slaughter fest with no idea what challenges are involved and instantly getting butt-raped. Quote: Maybe go after Eve Uni next? I believe you can't call yourself a l337 hisec pvper until you have decced the following: Goonswarm RvB Chribba And, of course, the Uni. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3965	Posted - 2015.10.25 16:21:33 - [17] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: I believe you can't call yourself a l337 hisec pvper until you have decced the following: Goonswarm I will never fight goonswarm again. Not because they are good, and not because I like them or dont... Because 4 hour tidi ** fests are not fun. I literally fell asleep at my keyboard, woke up, and was still alive. Along with everything else on grid. ** that. Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 252	Posted - 2015.10.26 00:00:53 - [18] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: ...He decided to write about a half page of inane ravings..... The 976 words of utterly inane ravings vomited forth, actually runs to about one and a quarter A4 pages in 12 point type. Mike Adoulin wrote: I believe you can't call yourself a l337 hisec pvper until you have decced the following: Goonswarm RvB Sadly, there don't seem to be any hisec wars running against some of the smaller Imperium member alliances. Flew a Viator into Jita the other night and the conspicuous lack of flashy red in local made me sad. Such a pity Gevlon Goblin and the mighty Tora Bushido have fallen out. I'm sure RvB will gladly welcome any and all war-decs. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7191	Posted - 2015.10.26 04:54:11 - [19] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: You do however miss that he's got some pretty good points. Such as: Quote: As it is today, there is no reason for small Corporations to seek growth, as that growth is the monster that will devour them. Quote: it is a bottle neck of development, granting that people are scattered enough to either remain small, or join an already powerful block. It's the biggest issue I have with wardecs too, they prevent growth, ensuring that newer and lower skilled players (because that's who hangs out in highsec, whether you're a wardeccer or not) have less options for collaboration. And it's simply because wardeccers don't have to choose between targets and don't gain anything by going after tough targets, so they simply pick a plethora of soft targets instead. Looks like it's down to pretty much this. But many people arrive with "new ideas" that simply get snarked at for a few posts and that's that. But a whole thread created on it indicates that maybe he's onto something. As usual, "winning" Eve turns out to be not winning at the game but denying the game to be played. Nothing drives people off more than this. Hopefully the changes in nullsec with save the game and highsec will rot like lowsec, leaving the people who "won" highsec with their ganking and blanket decks nothing but empty space in which to pat themselves on the back. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3968	Posted - 2015.10.26 05:48:58 - [20] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: You do however miss that he's got some pretty good points. Such as: Quote: As it is today, there is no reason for small Corporations to seek growth, as that growth is the monster that will devour them. Quote: it is a bottle neck of development, granting that people are scattered enough to either remain small, or join an already powerful block. It's the biggest issue I have with wardecs too, they prevent growth, ensuring that newer and lower skilled players (because that's who hangs out in highsec, whether you're a wardeccer or not) have less options for collaboration. And it's simply because wardeccers don't have to choose between targets and don't gain anything by going after tough targets, so they simply pick a plethora of soft targets instead. Looks like it's down to pretty much this. But many people arrive with "new ideas" that simply get snarked at for a few posts and that's that. But a whole thread created on it indicates that maybe he's onto something. As usual, "winning" Eve turns out to be not winning at the game but denying the game to be played. Nothing drives people off more than this. Hopefully the changes in nullsec with save the game and highsec will rot like lowsec, leaving the people who "won" highsec with their ganking and blanket decks nothing but empty space in which to pat themselves on the back. Mate, I started the thread because the dude is toxic and had some depraved opinions of his fellow players (even going so far as to relate gankers to child molesters in another thread.) I have no illusions that most highsec targets are softer than their lower security zone counterparts, and I'm not going to attempt to justify wardec corps as I have never been seriously committed to wardecs. For me, being part of a carebear corp and having it shut down by mercs STARTED my EVE life. It drove me into lowsec, where I learned how to pvp and met some great peeps. It's a shame that I am in the minority there, and most care bears just "wanna be left alone"... I guess to each their own, but making RL comparisons to how space pirates in EVE are terrible people IRL because of exploding pixels tells me he needs a break and maybe a shrink. Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7192	Posted - 2015.10.26 07:38:49 - [21] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: You do however miss that he's got some pretty good points. Such as: Quote: As it is today, there is no reason for small Corporations to seek growth, as that growth is the monster that will devour them. Quote: it is a bottle neck of development, granting that people are scattered enough to either remain small, or join an already powerful block. It's the biggest issue I have with wardecs too, they prevent growth, ensuring that newer and lower skilled players (because that's who hangs out in highsec, whether you're a wardeccer or not) have less options for collaboration. And it's simply because wardeccers don't have to choose between targets and don't gain anything by going after tough targets, so they simply pick a plethora of soft targets instead. Looks like it's down to pretty much this. But many people arrive with "new ideas" that simply get snarked at for a few posts and that's that. But a whole thread created on it indicates that maybe he's onto something. As usual, "winning" Eve turns out to be not winning at the game but denying the game to be played. Nothing drives people off more than this. Hopefully the changes in nullsec with save the game and highsec will rot like lowsec, leaving the people who "won" highsec with their ganking and blanket decks nothing but empty space in which to pat themselves on the back. Mate, I started the thread because the dude is toxic and had some depraved opinions of his fellow players (even going so far as to relate gankers to child molesters in another thread.) And I have forum-fu'ed with CODE. members who won't agree that SWATting another player (dropping a heavily armed tactical team on them on the pretext of a hostage situation or related violence via crank/spoofed call) is a form of attempted murder. So don't lecture me about players being "toxic" or try to red herring me with chesters. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Mag's the united 20624	Posted - 2015.10.26 08:43:29 - [22] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: And I have forum-fu'ed with CODE. members who won't agree that SWATting another player (dropping a heavily armed tactical team on them on the pretext of a hostage situation or related violence via crank/spoofed call) is a form of attempted murder. So don't lecture me about players being "toxic" or try to red herring me with chesters. I've never even heard that term before, let alone seen it used on the forum before now. Any links or an explanation? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6901	Posted - 2015.10.26 08:53:50 - [23] - Quote Adriel Malakai wrote: These jihads are pretty much all we play EVE for anymore. We honestly aren't really sure what we're going to do now, as we've gone after pretty much every pvp group in HS, done a number of null/low/wh deployments, and are pretty much getting to the end of line. Maybe go after Eve Uni next? You could try growing a pair and moving out of the protective skirt of concord. Leto Thule wrote: Mate, I started the thread because the dude is toxic and had some depraved opinions of his fellow players (even going so far as to relate gankers to child molesters in another thread.) I'm sure he got there all on his own too, right? Seems strange that players show up, get attacked and bombarded with attempts to "extract tears", then when it actually works and the target flips out on the forum, you guys act like they are the problem. Grow the ** up. Leto Thule wrote:** I guess to each their own, but making RL comparisons to how space pirates in EVE are terrible people IRL because of exploding pixels tells me he needs a break and maybe a shrink. I've not read all his posts on it, but I've seen others. For the most part people aren't saying that space pirates are terrible people in real life. But that's not what most of you people are. You're not in it to steal the booty or sink the ship, you're in it to wind up the guy behind the keyboard. Many gankers go out of their way to find the best ways to push people buttons specifically to affect the player not the character, and so yes, those types of people are actually terrible people IRL. Stop pretending that it's the miner that pushed it beyond the boundaries of the game. You know better than that. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Aoife Fraoch Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 197	Posted - 2015.10.26 09:00:32 - [24] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: And I have forum-fu'ed with CODE. members who won't agree that SWATting another player (dropping a heavily armed tactical team on them on the pretext of a hostage situation or related violence via crank/spoofed call) is a form of attempted murder. So don't lecture me about players being "toxic" or try to red herring me with chesters. I don't know about you, but I am actually comfortable with accepting that sometimes people are just horrible, and how they choose to play a spaceship game has nothing to do with it. Perhaps I am just weird. Oh, and I fail to see the problem with some people using personality clashes as a casus belli. Seeing as we can't just start fabricating claims and stuff.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 12560	Posted - 2015.10.26 09:29:01 - [25] - Quote Mag's wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: And I have forum-fu'ed with CODE. members who won't agree that SWATting another player (dropping a heavily armed tactical team on them on the pretext of a hostage situation or related violence via crank/spoofed call) is a form of attempted murder. So don't lecture me about players being "toxic" or try to red herring me with chesters. I've never even heard that term before, let alone seen it used on the forum before now. Any links or an explanation? Markee Dragon got swatted a while back while live streaming eve, it's been a common (ish) thing in the US for a couple of years now though you rarely see or hear about it in relation to eve because here when you want to ** with someone, you can just run a locator and go ** with them. Herzog had a thread with a link to the news article about the particular incident Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 807	Posted - 2015.10.26 11:06:15 - [26] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Mag's wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: And I have forum-fu'ed with CODE. members who won't agree that SWATting another player (dropping a heavily armed tactical team on them on the pretext of a hostage situation or related violence via crank/spoofed call) is a form of attempted murder. So don't lecture me about players being "toxic" or try to red herring me with chesters. I've never even heard that term before, let alone seen it used on the forum before now. Any links or an explanation? Markee Dragon got swatted a while back while live streaming eve, it's been a common (ish) thing in the US for a couple of years now though you rarely see or hear about it in relation to eve because here when you want to ** with someone, you can just run a locator and go ** with them. Herzog had a thread with a link to the news article about the particular incident I think people are making a big deal out of this swatting nonsense. I get swatted playing EvE all the time, but in all honesty, once I make her a cup of tea and promise to buy her a new pair of shoes she usually calms down and the bruise usually disappears after a few days.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25509	Posted - 2015.10.26 11:46:31 - [27] - Quote Mortlake wrote: I think people are making a big deal out of this swatting nonsense. I get swatted playing EvE all the time, but in all honesty, once I make her a cup of tea and promise to buy her a new pair of shoes she usually calms down and the bruise disappears after a few days. Just how big is your mothers shoe collection? Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3971	Posted - 2015.10.26 12:11:35 - [28] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: And I have forum-fu'ed with CODE. members who won't agree that SWATting another player (dropping a heavily armed tactical team on them on the pretext of a hostage situation or related violence via crank/spoofed call) is a form of attempted murder. So don't lecture me about players being "toxic" or try to red herring me with chesters. And I agree with you. I'm also not lecturing anyone. Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3971	Posted - 2015.10.26 12:21:59 - [29] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Adriel Malakai wrote: These jihads are pretty much all we play EVE for anymore. We honestly aren't really sure what we're going to do now, as we've gone after pretty much every pvp group in HS, done a number of null/low/wh deployments, and are pretty much getting to the end of line. Maybe go after Eve Uni next? You could try growing a pair and moving out of the protective skirt of concord. Leto Thule wrote: Mate, I started the thread because the dude is toxic and had some depraved opinions of his fellow players (even going so far as to relate gankers to child molesters in another thread.) I'm sure he got there all on his own too, right? Seems strange that players show up, get attacked and bombarded with attempts to "extract tears", then when it actually works and the target flips out on the forum, you guys act like they are the problem. Grow the ** up. Leto Thule wrote:** I guess to each their own, but making RL comparisons to how space pirates in EVE are terrible people IRL because of exploding pixels tells me he needs a break and maybe a shrink. I've not read all his posts on it, but I've seen others. For the most part people aren't saying that space pirates are terrible people in real life. But that's not what most of you people are. You're not in it to steal the booty or sink the ship, you're in it to wind up the guy behind the keyboard. Many gankers go out of their way to find the best ways to push people buttons specifically to affect the player not the character, and so yes, those types of people are actually terrible people IRL. Stop pretending that it's the miner that pushed it beyond the boundaries of the game. You know better than that. First off, I'm not a ganker. Secondly I don't do the tears thing unless someone starts on me first, so get off your high horse with the "grow up" garbage. Third -- "How he got that way"? I'm sorry but no amount of vid game violence is going to turn me into a paranoid nutball who thinks the game reflects real life in any way. I'm sort of taken back by you Lucas. You usually have more of an evaluation and logical thought process before jumping down someone's throat. But w/e. Defend the crazy man because he is a carebear and MUST have been traumatized so much by the evil gankers to affect his out of game happenings. Anyone who LETS themselves be seriously influenced by a game shouldn't be playing. Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 12562	Posted - 2015.10.26 12:57:50 - [30] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Mortlake wrote: I think people are making a big deal out of this swatting nonsense. I get swatted playing EvE all the time, but in all honesty, once I make her a cup of tea and promise to buy her a new pair of shoes she usually calms down and the bruise disappears after a few days. Just how big is your mothers shoe collection? baaaaaaaahahahaha! Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=

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