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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.28 07:55:00 -
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The acquisition of Tech 2 blueprints will be done through a new class of agents, called research agents. You tally up research points in specific fields depending on the agent level and your own research skills (these are all new skills, 17 in total). These new skills will not be on the market, but instead they are given out by agents as rewards for specific missions. The blueprints themselves will be introduced by the dev team and given out according to research point count (there is some chance element involved also, so the people with the most research points accumulated will not always get the blueprints, but they'll have a better chance). To produce the tech 2 items, you will also need new production skills and these will also be given out by agents.
The new research agents are distributed across EVE as follows:
Faction:
Amarr Empire 31
Caldari State 73
Gallente Federation 88
Minmatar Republic 48
The Servant Sisters of EVE 2
Thukker Tribe 8
Region:
Aridia 1
Derelik 2
Devoid 1
Domain 30
Essence 18
Everyshore 11
Genesis 8
Great Wildlands 1
Heimatar 7
Kador 12
Khanid 2
Kor-Azor 4
Lonetrek 26
Metropolis 30
Molden Heath 1
Placid 13
Sinq Laison 11
Solitude 3
Syndicate 3
Tash-Murkon 21
The Bleak Lands 6
The Citadel 15
The Forge 18
Verge Vendor 6
The new research skills are all Rank 5, all have Science Skill at level 5 as primary skill required and as all science skills they have intelligence as primary attribute and memory as secondary.
Here's the list with the secondary skill requirements:
Amarrian Starship Engineering
Mechanic 5
Caldari Starship Engineering
Mechanic 5
Electromagnetic Physics
Cybernetics 5
Electronic Engineering
Cybernetics 5
Gallentian Starship Engineering
Mechanic 5
Graviton Physics
Engineering 5
High Energy Physics
Engineering 5
Hydromagnetic Physics
Engineering 5
Laser Physics
Engineering 5
Mechanical Engineering
Mechanic 5
Minmatar Starship Engineering
Mechanic 5
Molecular Engineering
Mechanic 5
Nanite Engineering
Cybernetics 5
Nuclear Physics
Engineering 3
Plasma Physics
Engineering 5
Quantum Physics
Engineering 5
Rocket Science
Mechanic 5
As you can see, lots of training time ahead... so get an early start.
Why doesnt Curse agents give out anything special like the rest?
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2003.11.28 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 28/11/2003 08:10:27
The pirate factions will not be getting research agents as of now. There's been alot of discussion on the topic, but PapaSmurf seems to have made up his mind on the subject.
I personally don't mind, but I can relate why some players feel left out due to this.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2003.11.28 09:43:00 -
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*sends corp mate of to slave*
 Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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The Beast
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Posted - 2003.11.28 10:18:00 -
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This is gonna be nasty.. hope everyone wants to spend the next 6 months working there agent into the ground.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.28 13:43:00 -
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This is gonna be nasty.. hope everyone wants to spend the next 6 months working there agent into the ground.
Somehow Im not sure you ahve the righ idea about how this works.
If they introduce the new patch and researcha gents "now" i will have immediate access to a good number of research agents of reasoanble quality.
Even our "builder" guy who never really leaves the station can get an ok one with his faction...
No need to do missions at all.
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.28 17:37:00 -
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This is retarded tho. Thukker tribe is a pirate corp yes? I wanna know the reason why Angel Cartel wont get it. There should be a special bonus for having a 0.0 non-empire agent with a pirate corporation. Again, its another nerf for the pirates.
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.11.28 18:46:00 -
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Thukker tribe isn't really a pirate faction, they're somewhere in between. The story says something about them being suspected of ebil things, but concord has never really been able to catch them doing it. Blablabla.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2003.11.28 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zyrla Bladestorm on 28/11/2003 20:12:46
aye thukker are just the bad boys of the republic :P (think how say intaki syndicate is seperate to gallente federation)
they are one of those that never really ceased war vs the empire I think ? thus operating partly outside the law and friends with some pirates
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.11.29 00:03:00 -
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It sucks how the intaki syndicate is semi-criminal and I hate CCP for making it so.
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.11.29 01:03:00 -
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This is retarded tho. Thukker tribe is a pirate corp yes? I wanna know the reason why Angel Cartel wont get it. There should be a special bonus for having a 0.0 non-empire agent with a pirate corporation. Again, its another nerf for the pirates.
Awwwhhhh, those poor-poor pirate people are getting the shaft again ! - lol
This will teach ya to become a pirate, huh ? - lol
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.11.29 04:43:00 -
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Actually, I just found out from a GM it was suppost to be like this. You guys will be getting Tech 2 bps, while we will be getting boosters and drugs from pirate corporations. Drugs will be more profitable ya. SO =P Im happy I became a pirate.
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2003.11.29 08:05:00 -
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No need to do missions at all.
Morkt, you do need to do missions, since you get those new skills as rewards from normal agents.
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.11.29 09:47:00 -
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No need to do missions at all.
Morkt, you do need to do missions, since you get those new skills as rewards from normal agents.
Buy the skills.
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2003.11.29 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 29/11/2003 10:53:01
Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 29/11/2003 10:25:15
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Buy the skills.
Good idea. Silly me. 
I hope they make those skillbook rewards rare,
and prevent one player from getting more than 1 of each.
But you still need to make missions in order to gain access to higher lvl research agents, and also to receive that BP mission. And only about 1 in every 30 mission is rated as important and gives you a noticeable gain in standings.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.29 12:30:00 -
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"And only about 1 in every 30 mission is rated as important and gives you a noticeable gain in standings."
... I think those 'important' missions were supposed to alter the factions, while corporate and personal standings change even making the 'small' missions? So even simple missions should allow you to gain access to high level research agents of the same corporation... o.O;
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2003.11.29 13:46:00 -
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Actually, I just found out from a GM it was suppost to be like this. You guys will be getting Tech 2 bps, while we will be getting boosters and drugs from pirate corporations. Drugs will be more profitable ya. SO =P Im happy I became a pirate.
You are welcome to Empire space also to get the guys trying to get T2 stuff..
Drugs and boosters sounds like fun also though, specially if you aren't interested in manufacturing.. Make your isk on drugs, buy T2 and let the guys being good at it make it for ya.. |
Kunming
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Posted - 2003.11.29 16:56:00 -
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Drugs and boosters... Hmm this sounds good!
Now the player based economy is getting somewhere IMO...
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.11.30 00:38:00 -
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Actually, I just found out from a GM it was suppost to be like this. You guys will be getting Tech 2 bps, while we will be getting boosters and drugs from pirate corporations. Drugs will be more profitable ya. SO =P Im happy I became a pirate.
Ah, that's it ! Yet another jublient drug-runner out to corrput our kids at the public schools - lol ! WTG, Tank-man ! You rock ! - lol
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Missing Person
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Posted - 2003.11.30 11:20:00 -
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seriusly... pirates will still be able to get them they will just use recruit insiders and get bp's from empire space and take it out (maybe will take a while but they will do it) |
FileCop AI
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Posted - 2003.11.30 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: FileCop AI on 30/11/2003 21:29:14
Heh, agree with Tank on that one - Devs seem to hate all big alliances and won't give us ****. Just look at roids, agents (they don't give anything, no implants or anything), tech 2. We are completely left out and why? Just because we figured out how to play this game? Thanks..
Oh, and you wrote it's a "nerf for the pirates". Nope, it's for all of us outside empire space. Don't think you're special ;)
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2003.12.02 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ruffles on 02/12/2003 12:41:09
Yes, the market needs some attention to help resolve some issues.
However, if not handled delicately, this has high potential to bring around only the same monopolies as the miner 2 situation of the past.
Monopolies aren't ever good for any economy.
With blueprints 'handouts' being controlled by the development team, there won't ever be a sense of achievement in the effort you put in, like there is with other skills mostly related to combat. You are putting in time and effort into your research and building skills, and leaving it to pot-luck if you will get something.
I hate to say it but it has the potentital to make some people exceptionally rich, and no one have a chance to compete. If not handled carefully it will be as bad as an overflowing market...
Yes I know, comments like this will get me flames, but if no one ever brings up the potential downsides, then who will notice them?
Edit: Anyone explaining to people at the start in the tutorials how these research agents will work, and how you obtain them? It might be important to people.
The big downside I personally, is that everything seems to be still revolved around an NPC system of dumb-tasks. I think most people are somewhat objected to this because there is no player interaction in contant dumb-task running in an MMOG.
Are you somewhat over-NPC'ing things, and taking away the ability for peoples random breakthroughs in areas they work in lots?
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.12.02 13:09:00 -
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The big downside I personally, is that everything seems to be still revolved around an NPC system of dumb-tasks. I think most people are somewhat objected to this because there is no player interaction in contant dumb-task running in an MMOG.
Are you somewhat over-NPC'ing things, and taking away the ability for peoples random breakthroughs in areas they work in lots?
I thought this as well, but then looking at the bigger picture:
- You can't have players running these things until you have player property, player alliances controlling space, etc.
- You can't have that until you have the management structure in place for managing an alliance (think - like a big corp, at it's most simplistic)
- You can't have that until you have a working faction system, so you can easily manage an alliance's friends and enemies, and manage control of resources etc.
- And you can't have that until a working faction system has been implemented and tested - and the easiest way for that is to drop it in place for the NPCs.
Don't think of this as the final solution - more a stepping stone to enable bigger and better things further down the line.
Think - player alliance agents. Player alliance missions.
Want to join an alliance? Curry favour by doing missions for their agents?
Lots of possibilities there - but the basics need to be in place and balanced first.
The trick is - Tech2 will galvanise interest in EVE. CCP's challenge is to respond to that with quick followups to introduce the rest of the puzzle.
Cheers,
TOM
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.02 13:24:00 -
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hooray for drugs!
Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to kill a lot of citizens before any pirate corps will have me...
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2003.12.02 18:50:00 -
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So are you honestly saying this isn't the end, its a start to more Agent missions?
If Player controlled or not, its still an NPC with a very very very unimmersive and dull task for a player to perform multiple of. Even player owned ones will just set massive slave tasks, at the end of which they will very likely stil say: "Get lost, we have a fine full alliance kthksbye"
You don't seriously think that people took this game on to play npc missions all the time? And decaying factions require you to keep doing them to maintain the faction ratings??
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.12.03 12:08:00 -
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So are you honestly saying this isn't the end, its a start to more Agent missions?
No, I'm not. I'm saying that this is one piece in the puzzle to allow things like player owned property and alliances to work properly.
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If Player controlled or not, its still an NPC with a very very very unimmersive and dull task for a player to perform multiple of. Even player owned ones will just set massive slave tasks, at the end of which they will very likely stil say: "Get lost, we have a fine full alliance kthksbye"
Sometimes I think the biggest holdup to EVE is not the whining, or the bugs, but the sheer lack of imagination of the player base. 
Here's on example of what might be possible:
I am in the CA. We are out in the sticks - lots of resources, but no agents - therefore no Tech 2 or 3.
So, I want some Tech2 BPs. All those agent runners in Empire space have no easy access to rare loot or minerals.
I set a series of agent missions where someone can bring me the specific bits I need to build an Elite Vigil. I reward them with cash, rare pirate loot, or maybe when they've finished I'll give them a mining pass to a Bistot field in Curse for a week.
Just one *example* of what *could* be possible if there was a fixed and working faction and distribution system.
And, I know some smartarse is thinking "But why would I trust you?" - who trusts their agents at the moment? Why do people do 300+ plus missions for Level 3 agents?
Because they want an eventual payout that will benefit them, and give them a financial edge over everyone else.
If you're an agent runner in Empire space, the lure of doing some missions for me in Curse and getting, say, a pirate loot module worth 5M on the market would be a good enough incentive.
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You don't seriously think that people took this game on to play npc missions all the time? And decaying factions require you to keep doing them to maintain the faction ratings??
I mentioned looking at the bigger picture, and what this change will *enable* - and instead you've picked out one or two examples and painted them as the only future.
Try reading what I said again, and thinking about what impact a working faction and distribution system can have on other areas of the game.
Cheers,
TOM
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2003.12.03 12:49:00 -
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Drugs and booster are nice.
Now tell me when will we see them July 04?
btw npc chaining is nerfed as well with the new targeting system.
basically 0.0 will be heavily nerfed.
sometimes I really don't understand ccp's way of thinking.
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Ghandi
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Posted - 2003.12.03 14:34:00 -
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Hey can i ask a question, giving out module bps is one thing but what ships, especially the 2 BS original BP's i have bought within the last 3 months, both cost me about 1.2 billion each and ive researched them up to ME5, as such ive not come nowhere close to breaking even and wont for another few months probably.
Will i be able to research these original Bs bps up to tech lvl 2??? or how will the BS bps work??
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.12.03 17:55:00 -
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But you still need to make missions in order to gain access to higher lvl research agents, and also to receive that BP mission. And only about 1 in every 30 mission is rated as important and gives you a noticeable gain in standings.
You can gain faction by killing hostile-factions NPCs also.
Indeed with the halving of all standings its quite viable to do this especially for low-combat-ready research/refine type chars. Stay in relevant empire spce and hit the frigates and IOI spawns for faction gain.
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Helison
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Posted - 2003.12.03 18:22:00 -
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You can gain faction by killing hostile-factions NPCs also.
Not in Castor, as there are no derived standing changes except for important missions. 
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.12.03 19:39:00 -
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this really does suck... also all the agents that you have now unless they are research are useless if you want tech 2???
thats just great eh? all those days/weeks etc doing agents all for nothing if you really wanted to go after research/tech stuff.. 
and what about out side the empire... this does suck.. and like others said until all the player owned stuff comes in i dont see how they can fix this
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