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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Butter Dog
Nice try, but you need to put a leash on Seleene.
He spilt the beans, and there is no going back.
To be more accurate, I think you should mention that your info comes from some guy, who supposedly talked to anouther guy...
Do you really expect someone to believe propoganda based on a game of telephone?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Seleene
So, you're saying that I told someone in a private convo that there was no client for that job? Interesting. Show me. 
Weak. Very weak.
"Someone" paid "10bn" to annoy Tyrrax. This just gets better and better. You know, I know, all of eve knows it - you and are the one who wanted to cause him some pain.
Personal dislikes should not rule professional businesses, as you are allegedly, but it seems in your case you make the odd exception.
So show the eager public the proof that you have then.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:24:00 -
[3]
Originally by: Butter Dog
I'm not going to compromise my source, that would be incredibly stupid of me.
You know it, I know it, do don't even go there.
I'm going there. Because by posting accusations as large as this one, then failing to back them up, other then saying you supposedly had a conversation with some guy who's knows someother guy, your making your self look really bad.
Really I'm only asking to help you out, honest.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:33:00 -
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WTF? You can't just declare your self the winner, and then leave? Spoil sport, I was having a termendous amount of fun with this.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:09:00 -
[5]
Originally by: Lady Ghoulia
Originally by: Lorth
WTF? You can't just declare your self the winner, and then leave? Spoil sport, I was having a termendous amount of fun with this.
GOD TO BED LORTH I won this thread. You came 13th
I'm not sleepy, and I clearly won the thread with my referance to the telephone game which I thought was rather funny.
Not to mention my sig pwns.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:54:00 -
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I'm just wondering if BD is going to keep accusing Count indirectly of being a liar, or if your willing to appoligise?
You've already been shown to be a liar your self on a couple occasions in this thread, Butter Dog, so your on very shaky ground to be doing so to others, even if your subtle about it.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:38:00 -
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ok..
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I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. If he has tried to represent my views in his various dealings with people in Eve, he has done so maliciously.
Since you insist that he has, the obvious deduction is that one of the two of your is lying.
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Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.
Again, you say your allowed to post the things you do, yet Count has a completly differant story then you do.
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AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
This would lead the reader to believe that dispite your constant attacks on the MC about not engaging AAA, a topic which we have explained several pages back, several times as well... that there may have been infact more reasons that your not aware of for not attacking them with gusto.
But if I may, we said we didn't attack them, gave some reasons why, yet you still posting about it several pages later, and ironically acusing anyone else who speaks of it as flogging a dead horse.
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I was annoyed with MC, he knows they sent me a downright rude evemail telling me to 'STFU'
To put this in context a guy in MC who used to be in ISS mailed him privately to get him to tone it down on the forums as he thought that ISS could probably do without the Butter Dog form of PR in their quest to get help at this time.
Ok maybe not directly a lie, but one can assume that your now exagerating things way out of proportion here.
Here's a portion of some insesent ramblings with Seleene.
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But you still decided that you had the right to tell what to do and not to do, and to top it all off you accused ME of being the reason AAA turned up. If you had better intel you would know exactly why they turned up.
OFC I know why they turned up! I had Evil Thug and Omeega on my TS server and spoke to them directly. As for your role in it, hell yes, I think that if you had followed the lead of 95% of the rest of your alliance that there would be a lot less animosity between IAC and ISS.
My personal favorite.
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I wasnt even in F4 tonight, I'm sitting in Empire and have been all evening. I havent said a single word in local.
[20:20:51] Butter Dog > ISS would **** themselves, I have access to characters with outpost sov config rights in KDF, ZX, C3, F4, plus the ISSO wallet and ISSN wallet.... but i'm not nasty enough to do 'the deed'.
*insert killmail of Butter Dog here as well, which is deffinatly not in empire
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* Count told me he liked me posting on Eve-O because he said it 'gave ISS a voice' and everyone knew I didnt officially represent the alliance.
Yet, as I've quoted before he says a completly differant thing.
Anyways, there's just a couple examples of where you've been shown to be out right lying, or simply exagerating things to the point of untruth (giving you the benifit of the doubt here.)
Now given that most of your important points have been dimissed, by both sides close to you as rubish, do you have any comment, proof, or otherwise any other reason for the general public to believe what your saying verses the word of everyone else?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:00:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Please point me to a single one of my key points which have been dismissed... All I see are MC clamming up about the important issues and going on 'personal attack mode'.
I have provided proof, I have stated my source,
Well for one, you havn't provided proof dispite being asked to do so several times. And the source you sited came on the forums to publically state that no such conversation ever took place.
Which is kinnda what I was getting at in my previous post. Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Especially when no evidence is offered, and everyother person attached to events in question flatty dissagrees with you.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:10:00 -
[9]
We also fought, goons, who we fully expected to be a blobtastic challanging good time, dispite there lack of skill points. To bad they played on thier VCBee alts the whole time.
The last IAC contract wasn't so much of a cakewalk. Least with all the help they managed to recruite over the the war.
Imp/Surpm - Despite the smack thrown at them, they are not two groups known as easy carebear ganks.
RA/Goon's - Again not a group known as easy ganks allaround.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:14:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Butter Dog
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So you think fighting the Goons is a real challenge?
lol
I didn't say they were a challenge, I said we expected them to be because of thier vastly superiour numbers.....
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:28:00 -
[11]
Ok one by one here....
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* Your contract was for all three outposts, you failed to complete the contract because you got too scared to do anything with AAA in the picture, even when they logged out and left the next day
Seleene, and Count have both posted about this, and have both come to a conclusive agreement as to what course of action was choosen because of events that took place in the war. You are the only one dissagreeing with this. And given that you were not in the 'know' according to your own allience leaders, one would have to say that things were changed because and you were not informed as to why.
Your point seems to be "MC should have done this and this" since thats your own ideas, dispite the fact that our client had differant ideas (and posted them here.) MC were never accountable to Butter Dog, and you were never involved in the desistion making processes. So all your really doing in raming your own illinformed ideas as to what we should have done down the readers throat as some deluded verstion of the truth.
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* You take all the credit F4, depsite the fact it was a total CAKEWALK - and even then you contribute less than a quarter of the capitals and a tenth of the support. You don't deserve all the credit for such a blatant walk in the park, but you suck it up anyway because its all about ego and image
Yet strangly enough Count is happy with our performance. I can't find the exact numbers, which were said in this thread, and I wasn't involved in that battle. But I'll just say, the client was happy with what we did, and thats all that counts TBH.
*Hint your not the client
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* There was no contract in the first Prohibition campaign, and you walked away when the going got tougher than expected
You keep trying to ram this down the thoats of the readers as though it were true. Yet the only thing you have going for you to this point is saying it again and again in the vain hope that people will believe it if they read it enough. So like a dozen people before me I maust say "Proof or STFU"
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:42:00 -
[12]
This is still about not engaging AAA?
I'll just quote Waagaa here then....
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
I really do not want to drag tactical and strategical information and or opinions of my own into this, because for a rational discussion about the viability of a POS siege like that you'd have to think about the involved parties, their qualities, skillpoints, experience, etc.
Let's just say that numbers don't say everything.
In the end, you paid us to lead the POS sieges. We fielded a very sizable amount of cap ships on capital ops and Seleene singlehandedly led every single one of them.
So in the end what are you getting at? The fact that we didn't engage AAA when you thought it was a good idea? Since thats been talked about around page 12. And dispite what you wanted it was our capitals, and there of better use to ourselves, and ISS alive rather then dead. Hence why we made the call.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:49:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Lorth on 30/12/2006 18:53:26
Originally by: Nez Perces
lol this thread is ace.
Anyways....
What have we got so far that has any value beyond.. bla bla bla, you suck?
The Accusation
- We have accusations from Butter Dog stating that MC chickened out from fighting AAA even when there was a good chance of winning, i.e MC have no balls, they only fight a sure thing.
- BD accuses MC of making up an employer for Operation Prohibition.
MC's Defense
- Well fortunately for MC at the time of the accusations their word is worth more than BD's which gives them a starting advantage. So they can afford to simply say you are lying.. the onus of proof then goes to BD. Thats really all that MC have done to defend themselves at this stage.. and its more than sufficient if no proof is provided.
Butter Dog's Proof
- Butter Dog has provided a quote from a PM from Count T, saying that he was sorely disappointed by MC's performance "I am not afraid to admit that Sel and Ens were being cowards about it....... No money could have made him do it" and a photoshop, which on first inspection looks genuine, but I'm sure there are photoshop experts out there who can find any artifacts on it.
- Butter Dog has named his source, Count T as the person who told him about Operation Prohibition having no employer.
Count Tasessine
Everything comes back to the top man.... what it effectively boils down to is.. who is lying?
Is it Count T or Butter Dog?
We shall see.. very very exciting stuff. 
Well lets also point out that all the screen shot effectivly does, is prove that we didn't engage AAA, which we have admited (8 pages ago), and stated reasons (though purposly vague) as to why not.
So we're left with Count being dissapointed in that desistion, and still nothing about the faked contract. And I'm still wondering what, if anything this does to prove the rest of BD's arguments? Good for you, you have a screen shot, now lets see something that isn't about a topic already discussed, and involving some of the slanderous accusasions your making (like a faked contract)
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
lol
you're not getting out of this that easily.
You refused to engage AAA in that one fight - fine, maybe I can live with that. You then refused point blank to engage in any further fights with AAA even remotely in the picture, because you fear them, and you fear losing.
You then pack up and leave, claming glorious victory (ie a cakewalk in F4 in which you played a supporting role along with other allied forces), and walk away from the other two contract objectives.
You FAILED.
Wanna see me get out of this easily?
Originally by: Count TaSessine
AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
And in the style of this thread, I'll declare myself the winner, since I can't miss out on a trend.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:08:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Nez Perces
No Lorth that doesn't work, in the same post Count T said that he had not been in communication with Butter Dog for 6 months or so.. "I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog for 6 months or so".
But the PM Butter Dog has shown us is from Dec 22nd ???
Only if you consider that sensitive info right? I wouldn't.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:11:00 -
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Maybe this thread could be a little better if (aside from BD) we could all agree that dropping into siege in front of a hostile POS with an opponent like AAA in the system with simular numbers is generally not thought of as a good idea.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:15:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Butter has been kicked, he quit b4 the kicking, but Count has made a public acknowledgement that Butters actions are not welcome in ISS.
Are you being deliberately clueless here?
Just doesnt even make sense... 'he quit before he kicked'... yes its very easy to watch someone walk out then say 'I was gonna kick u anyway!'
Its likewise very easy to quit before doing something you know will get you kicked in order the claim some sort of moral high ground is it not?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:24:00 -
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Just so I know. If it was your call would you have honestly dropped into siege and eventually fought AAA, in front of a hostile POS?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:37:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Oh god, now you're just trolling.
No-one is ridiculing me here. All my points stand, pretty much uncontested and with proof. I've quoted my sources.
You'll notice several people who are NOT MC are actually saying that they like what I'm saying.
I would like to refute every single one of your comments. And would like to point out that I have been doing so since I came into this thread.
About the only thing we can agree on is that MC didn't want to fight AAA, a point which we agreed to on page 8 or so, and has never been in contestation.
Now where is your proof, on issues like say, the non-client in the last IAC contract. A point which pretty much everyone in this thread has been contesting, and in which you havn't brought the slightest shread of evidence for, save for 12 pages of rambling insiting your right.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
What LV and MC did for ISS in the last 3 weeks, is nothing short of awe-inspiring. To be thrown aside, as 'lacking guts' when the force and military organisation ISS actually commands is nothing short of 'meaningless' shows disrespect of the highest order.
Thanks
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:04:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Butter Dog
\o/
Told you I wasnt lying :p
I'll admit that I underestimated you..
Anyways this seems like a happy ending.. I like happy endings.
Yes he was though, about everything else regarding MC, save for the fact that we didn't want to engage AAA at that paticular moment, which we happily admited several dozen pages ago.
Come on, you can't let the guy go because the one thing both sides agreed on actually turned out in a startling revelation to be true? I'd like to hear some more about the MC didn't have client thing for one, since thats by far his biggest claim (to us) thus far in the thread, and he hasn't done a thing to support it other then saying he knows a guy who knows a guy...
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: petergriffen
You called out the alliance chairman in a public forum, what did you expect was to happen?
Maybe he will think twice before lying on a public discussion forum in the future?
I am done with this thread, I'm glad people know I was telling the truth at least, I have my honest perspective.
Time to move on to pastures new. Can anyone offer a good home to a tired forum warrior? 
BD out x
Oh no you don't. You've been made several allegations against the MC here in the this thread, and only one of which has been proven to be true, IE not attacking AAA, which of course we all agreed on in the first place.
Now start backpeddling damn it because we're going to discuss the no client issue, the easy contract issue, and pretty much any other illconcieved thought you've had over the last dozen pages since there isn't a shred of evidence in your favour.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:13:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Lorth
Come on, you can't let the guy go because the one thing both sides agreed on actually turned out in a startling revelation to be true? I'd like to hear some more about the MC didn't have client thing for one, since thats by far his biggest claim (to us) thus far in the thread, and he hasn't done a thing to support it other then saying he knows a guy who knows a guy...
Well the assumption is that it was Count T that told him about the lack of employer for Operation Prohibition.. (Butter Dog already hinted at it earlier) and that's where the buck stops.. I mean the guy has no problem telling porkies.
Did he lie to Butter Dog too? .. I guess we will never know.. only Seleene and a few select MC know the answer to that question.
So we're going to give him a washout on all the BS thats been spewed forth, because he managed to prove one thing, the one thing we all agreed was true?
Someone can't make 6 differant point, prove one to be true then somehow deduce that the other 5 must be true. He made a lot of BS claims in this thread, some of which have already been shown as such, some of which he's somehow manged to avoid because of a PM dealing with the only issue we actually agreed on. Lets see him try and prove we didn't have a client, something I'd like to see, since both sides no he's only spewing rubbish t further his own accord.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Comeon... all that stuff is irrelevant and is small fry.. the smoking gun has already been provided.
The screenshot is genuine.
Count T thought MC's performance was lacking, also Count T seems to be the source for the lack of employer.
You are several scenes behind the plot.
Butter Dog talks a lot, but he was not lying about the crucial thing here.. that screenshot.
Trying to bury it with small details that are not relevant doesn't work.
The stuff he said is not small fry when your a member of the MC.
He publically posted the we had no employer for our contract. Yet has done nothing in the slightest to offer any amount of evidence to prove this.
He stated that we always took the easy contract, yet ignored my rubutle, and kept on posting it again and again.
Later in the thread he continued it insist that we didn't fullfill the contract obligations, despite him self offering two versions of the contract. Not to mention everyone else, who would know, saying that we did.
He's stated that we had little to no influance in the battle for F4. Yet even IAC say a differant story, as well as everyone else involved in this conflict save for him.
None of that stuff is small fry in the least. And he's been lying and telling two differant stories througout this whole thread. And I for one think its fun to back him into a corner and confront him with the slandreous accusastions that he's made against us, non of which he has bother to back up in the slightest other the repeating them for the last dozen pages.
And about the only thing he's been right about, frankly has little to do with our own reputation, and I for one am not willing to give him a walk on all the falsehoods posted based on something that frankly has little bearing on my own alliences reputation.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:47:00 -
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One last post before I watch the hockey game for a couple hours...
Could the puppet master please simply eve mail me. I'm dying to know who's pulling the strings here.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:44:00 -
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I feel as though my questions will go unanswered, and he'll simply leave this thread without replying to the accusations against MC he made...
I feel so dejected.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
You've ignored every request I've had to provide evidence for your several slanderous claims against MC, as well as clarification about instances where you've told several versions of the same story in this very thread.
So back up something else, since I still have questions.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:14:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
You've ignored every request I've had to provide evidence for your several slanderous claims against MC, as well as clarification about instances where you've told several versions of the same story in this very thread.
So back up something else, since I still have questions.
I dont give a flying toss about your 'questions' which you seem to think are so important.
I mean, honestly... they are so ridiculously petty 'you lied about being in empire' etc (when in fact I WAS in empire all evening, only clone jumping to ZX for a minute, never heard of figures of speech?)
Get over yourself.
Lets ignore the 'petty' stuff as you so called it then.
1: What version of the contract details are you now sticking with. You've given two differant versions in this very thread, which one are you now saying to be the correct one, and why did you offer two differant explainations in the first place.
2: Exactly what evidence do you have the MC had no client for the last IAC contract? Other then a convo with a person you now call a liar. Are you prepared to retract that statment? Or are you sticking with it?
These are not petty stuff, no matter how many times you choose to not answer them. They speak to your own credabilty during this forum campain you've had. Your flip flopping every couple minutes to suit what ever story you choose to tell on that paticular page.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lorth on 31/12/2006 01:37:33
Originally by: Butter Dog
1) Tbh, I really don't know what you are talking about. You were contracted to take all three stations. Serenity Steele was late wiring over payment for the other two, but you stated you would have 'refunded the money anyway' with AAA in the picture. Anyway, you failed to take all three stations, and that co-incided with the arrival of AAA. Do you forget that I was part of the dread gang that was getting ready to jump into JB before you called everything off in a blind AAA induced panic?
here you go
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They (the mercs) were there to take F4, and they will be there again if required.
You also implied on page 2, and again on page 3 that we were contracted to take F4. Seleene, and Count say basically the same thing, with an option to extend. Though you, and only you changed your tone later in the thread to say that we were to take all three stations. So which version have you decided to stick to, despite the fact that your are in all likely hood not privy to info like that anyways.
And in all likelyhood you know damn good and well why we didn't jump at the chance of sieging with AAA in the system. It doesn't take a huge leep of logic to understand why that would have been written down as one of our stupidest moves had we choosen to do so.
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2) I've told you who my source was (only because of him wading into the thread trying to discredit me). The onus is now on YOU to provide evidence of an employer. If you can't, or won't, thats not my problem.
Now you know as well as we do, we're not going to revel the identity of our client. To do so would be far worse then the select people who will actually believe you.
Makes for a nice argument though. Saying something you know damn good and well that we can't prove, or won't in this case. And its also worth mentioning that when making allegations of this nature, you best be prepared to prove it, or be shown as a liar, its just the way things work in practice.
But are you prepared to admit that other then a convo, with a guy who knew a guy who said something, you have no other evidence at all to support your claims?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:39:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Its called brining it down to their level.
Its obviously language they understand.
Funny because I've been nothing but cordal with you in this thread, other then pressing you to answer some questions, I've even managed to trim them down to a couple rather the orginal dozen or so things that you either out right lied about or were completly oblvious to what actually occured.
So at this point we have you saying you made something up in the first page. Well one has to ask, since MC made you so angry with that eve mail (and to put it into context was from an ex corp mate of his) we have to wonder now that we have angered Butter Dog, what else he is willing make up. If your making up things to support your allies, one must also assume your willing make up things to make your enemys look bad no?
So heres anouther direct question, which you'll no doubt take as a personal insult, and then flame me for it... Why should we believe someone who have admitted to lying to save face?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 19:20:00 -
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Well I for one am impressed that this has reached page 26 and is still a reall disscussion.
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