Originally by: Torshin

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I made a thread maybe 3 days after the IAC ISS conflict started stating that there was internal strife within ISS and that their offensive decisions would turn out ot be tactically wrong. Butter dog instantly stated that there is no internal problems and that I was an IAC alt and wanted sources. I then posted many comments from the ISS forums and now BD won't even post a chat to save his name. If the ISS FC leaving isn't internal problems I don't know what is. But to be honest he always was better at ganking miners in low sec then he was as a FC. Reading 17 pages of this thread and seeing BD reply the same way ever time is pathetic. He says haha seleene you are lying now every one knows it, i have proof but im not going to reveal my sources.
Butter dog shut up and go back and join your pathetic little pvp corp.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/12/2006 01:03:55

Originally by: Kyguard

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Count hasn't lost his rep. It takes more than a comment made out of frustration to destroy that man's reputation. Same as Seleene.

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I'm afraid you don't quite understand what happened here... Count T's reputation was not destroyed by what he said about MC, thats just a disgruntled employer venting a little.

What has destroyed Count T's rep is this :

Originally by: Count Tesassine

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I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. .......

He has now been kicked out again........ Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.....

(sounds like porkies to me, considering he PM's BD with sensitive info...)

We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.

(another porkie.. thats not what the PM he sent to butter dog says)

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The biggest lie here is pretending he has not shared information with Butter Dog over the last 6 months. The date of the PM is the 22nd of December.

And anybody who tries to say that calling Selene and Enslaver "cowards" and contradicting his official stance in respect to MC's performance as mercenaries is not sensitive information for somebody in Count T's position is delusional.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Algey

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A venting PM to a friend is not sensitive information you muppet.

For goodness sakes Count considered Butter Dog a friend, of course he'd talk about how things had gone. What civilian commander wouldn't seeing as how easy MC et al had made taking F4R look?

From a military point of view it was a hugely difficult operation, however it looked easy, and like MC were just not interested in taking another contract.

Ask yourself, would you have comitted dreads with AAA in system, and no solid intel of where their dread fleet was based?

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1) So now Count Tesassine and Butter Dog were good friends?

2) Good enough friends that he might tell Butter Dog about a non-existant employer in relation to Operation Prohibition?

3) Good enough friends, that he might tacitly approve of BD's forum antics on behalf of ISS?

4) So Count T tells his friends one thing but posts quite another publicly with the intention of ruining said friends. Who needs friends like that.

5) The moment Count Tesassine posted that Butter Dog was persona non-grata in ISS, I think the friendship probably ended... at least ingame.

6) If Count T knew that BD had possesion of such a PM, he shot himslef in the foot by publicly trying to discredit his 'friend'.

7) How many 'friends' does Count T have with PM's sitting on their browsers where he complains about MC lacking testicular fortitude and revealing how MC did not have an employer for Operation Prohibition.

8) Count T screwed up, thats the best spin you can put on it.

8) As for AAA and whether it was a good idea to engage them or not? .. depends who you ask I guess.

9) Butter Dog a good 'friend' of Count T's and supposedly an FC in ISS thought it was, gah even Count T himself was disappointed... so who knows.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Algey

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You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you.

Any FC who wanted to take on that group without the proper intel isn't one I'd let command an operation like that.

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Come on, Algey. You know they wouldn't have engaged AAA, even when they all logged in and left the next day.

Or we could have focused on RNF while they were logged out in JBY... it was just total fear, they gave up the moment AAA entered the picture.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Algey

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You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you.

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I don't have to manufacture anything, the problem exists in of its own right. Count T lied on these public boards to save himself trouble with MC, prepared to burn a 'friend' in order to save the MC <> ISS relationship.

I'll tell you what it honestly looks like to me.. ISS are going down. Where is your firepower coming from when IAC start to gain more and more ground?

Can ISSN hold out against IAC alone?

This whole saga stinks of an alliance with big problems, and it looks like your MC/FIX/LV/Veto/KIA bandwagon was a waste of time and ISK.

As a side effect MC's rep isn't as scary as it used to be.

Thats what has happened here... its clear to see.

My prediction: ISS is a sinking ship.

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