Originally by: Nez Perces

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Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/12/2006 19:59:19

Originally by: petergriffen

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Butter Dog, you started this whole storm over ISS, MC and everyone else involved with the intention that you were going to be removed from ISS Navy. You even said so your self. By acknowledging that fact, and announcing your resignation from ISS before you could be removed, you didn't hold anything back in your little 'smear campaign.'

Unfortunately, I don't think you considered how much your personal reputation would suffer from this. I don't know you and couldn't care less what you say or do, but you've just lost a very big PR war. Whether or not you were 'kicked' or 'left on your own' is moot at this point, because the general consensus from most anyone who has been through this thread is that you've been kicked for being detrimental to ISS interests, and for just being a jackass in general.

Your little screenshot says whatever whoever is reading it wants it to say. Is Count disappointed that Seleene and Co. didn't want to risk their dreads, as well as ISS, FIX, and everyone elses dreads, against a far superior capital force? Even if MC only had 5 or 6 dreads on the op, how many billion ISK does it take to cover those potential losses and still profit on top of that? How much more would it cost for the other Merc outfits there? To be honest, I don't think ISS has that kind of money burning a hole in their pockets.

As was stated earlier, clients pay for our guns, not our friendship.

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No no no no... this is just standard MC spin... no no no no.

There is a screenshot with Count T saying things like :

"I think Sel and Ens are being cowards"

"Sel .. well he just showed us what he is made of. No money would have made him do it"... implying that more isk was on the table should MC have agreed to it.

Nothing MC say will change what the screenshot says. Its an employer, MC's primary employer stating that MC are lacking in the testicular department. You can't spin that.

Moving on...

The issue here is threefold:

Is the screenshot real?

If the screenshot is real, can what Count T says be trusted at all, since he would have been lying in statement about Butter Dog on these forums?

If Count T is not insane... then we have to assume that he told Butter Dog in the PM is what he really thinks.. as it was done in private, and he would have nothing to gain by lying to BD.

Either way if the screenshot is not discredited.. then the MC and ISS relationship is dead in the water.

MC will have lost a main source of income, and ISS will have lost their main providers of firepower.

IAC will be laughing its ass off.. BD will be vindicated and would have "won" the thread.. and have a reputation fully restored. The big losers would be MC and ISS.

So please after 19 pages of revelations and logical arguments... no MC brainless spin.. no.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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K the screenshot is real.. and henceforth Count T said those things to Butter Dog.

What does this mean?


We have to now assume that Butter Dog was not lying when it comes to the non-existant employer for operation prohibition. Ofc the problem is that the source was Count T, a known liar.... so was he lying to BD when he told him about Seleene spilling the beans? I guess we will never know. Though it does cast a large shadow on the whole issue.

AAA and MC not wanting to fight them: Either MC lack testicular fortitude or Count T is so far gone that he has become unrealistic in his assessment of military situations.

Difficult to say which. Either way MC and ISS took a hit today. There is no escaping that.

Butter Dog, you actually won the thread now.... congratulations. And you still have a reputation ... of sorts

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Wicke, you actually won the thread now.... congratulations. And you still have a reputation ... of sorts

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