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Wallace Trucker
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.20 12:12:05 -
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GÇó Scamming and unethical behavior some would consider griefing is not only allowed, it is encouraged and rewarded by the game mechanics.
GÇó Harrasment or real-life threats are not ok, and you can get a shiny ban for them. Learn the difference
I don't know where you are from or who your parents were. But where I come from unethical behavior is no different than harassment or threats. They pretty much all fall under the morals blanket. Morals were you parents responsibility to teach you at a young age. If you find scamming and unethical behavior ok, then they failed. And now we have identified the issue with this game.
Don't let a game encourage you to toss away toss those valuable lessons you learned from your parents as a child. Don't let a game blur the lines between right and wrong. Remember there are real people at the other end of those pixels, treat them as you would any other human being.
If you play be these statements, then you live by them. |
Syeed Ameer Ali
Evil Murder Society
86
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Posted - 2015.10.20 12:33:29 -
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Ok, here's the implied part of that first statement that seems to have gone right over your head.
Quote:In-game-context scamming and unethical behavior...is encouraged...
If somebody is scamming you for play-money or imaginary assets in a video game, that is only unethical in the sense that they are roleplaying an unethical behavior in a role playing game. It's no different than, say, carjacking someone in a Grand Theft Auto game or killing their pawns in chess. Of course carjacking and murder are unethical in the real world, as is scamming, but in a game in which those are an accepted part of gameplay they are perfectly fine.
If you want to roleplay as a character that hates in-game scamming then feel free to do so. If you are actually serious, though, then I suggest you get down off your high horse, take a few steps back from your computer and have a look around, then ask yourself honestly if imaginary game assets and real assets are actually morally equivalent. If the answer is yes, then I recommend that you give up video games for a few years.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1705
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Posted - 2015.10.20 12:41:10 -
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did you try and buy a plex in jita local?
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Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid
Decayed Orbit
262
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Posted - 2015.10.20 12:59:13 -
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Pls dont |
Wallace Trucker
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.10.20 13:00:29 -
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ah yes, the old reliable justification for your actions. "it's just a game." Why not makes as much sense as the twinky defense. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1705
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Posted - 2015.10.20 13:04:21 -
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can we get a story?
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Syeed Ameer Ali
Evil Murder Society
86
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Posted - 2015.10.20 13:15:26 -
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Lan Wang wrote:can we get a story?
He's been flogging this same horse for a year, if you look at his profile. Which means that not only does he have no questions to ask, but he's not a new player either.
So... OP please tell us where the bad spacemen touched you quickly before this appallingly inappropriate thread gets locked.
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Wallace Trucker
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.10.20 13:25:28 -
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No touching recently. I just don't buy the "it's just a game" copout. Or CCP's contention that harassment and threats are any different than scamming or dishonesty. By even making this comparison they are admitting that it is more than a game. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1705
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Posted - 2015.10.20 13:36:58 -
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eve is real
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Bloemkoolsaus
Viperfleet Inc.
Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
203
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Posted - 2015.10.20 13:50:53 -
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Syeed Ameer Ali wrote:If you are actually serious, though, then I suggest you get down off your high horse, take a few steps back from your computer and have a look around, then ask yourself honestly if imaginary game assets and real assets are actually morally equivalent. If the answer is yes, then I recommend that you give up video games for a few years.
OP should really read this part again.
I know a couple of scammers and in reality, they are some of the nicest people i know  |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25454
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Posted - 2015.10.20 13:52:17 -
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Reality and fantasy, know the difference.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1705
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Posted - 2015.10.20 13:53:11 -
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Bloemkoolsaus wrote:Syeed Ameer Ali wrote:If you are actually serious, though, then I suggest you get down off your high horse, take a few steps back from your computer and have a look around, then ask yourself honestly if imaginary game assets and real assets are actually morally equivalent. If the answer is yes, then I recommend that you give up video games for a few years. OP should really read this part again. I know a couple of scammers and in reality, they are some of the nicest people i know
this is generally the attitude scammers have, how else do they gain trust 
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
158
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Posted - 2015.10.20 14:01:22 -
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Reported for ranting.
In-game scamming is perfectly viable, since it is a part of the game and nothing of worth is at stake. At the end of the day, you will only lose some pixels and some of your time.
If you cannot distinguish between digital items and real life items, then you should, as already pointed out by someone else, take a break from gaming for a while so that you don't take it so seriously. |
Memphis Baas
709
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Posted - 2015.10.20 14:02:46 -
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So CCP has only made the two statements that you've quoted, and they do not include any sort of justification or analysis (psychological, ethical, or moral) on what is allowed and what is not. It's simply two statements: this is what you can do, and this is what you cannot do.
All of the justifications that you oppose, they come from the player base. This is who we are; liars, cheaters, assholes. We don't give a **** what you think or what you do with your respect. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
Bad Intention
1278
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Posted - 2015.10.20 16:14:03 -
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Wallace Trucker wrote: Don't let a game blur the lines between right and wrong.
I was playing halo last night...
I'm a monster. 
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Bobb Bobbington
The Cult of the Rare Pepes
79
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Posted - 2015.10.20 16:21:15 -
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Oh noes, I played GTA V, now I'm going to turn into a crazed murderer and steal cars and **** because I did it in a videogame. |
Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise
Upholders
321
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Posted - 2015.10.20 16:43:54 -
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Wallace Trucker wrote:GÇó Scamming and unethical behavior some would consider griefing is not only allowed, it is encouraged and rewarded by the game mechanics.
GÇó Harrasment or real-life threats are not ok, and you can get a shiny ban for them. Learn the difference
I don't know where you are from or who your parents were. But where I come from unethical behavior is no different than harassment or threats. They pretty much all fall under the morals blanket. Morals were you parents responsibility to teach you at a young age. If you find scamming and unethical behavior ok, then they failed. And now we have identified the issue with this game.
Don't let a game encourage you to toss away toss those valuable lessons you learned from your parents as a child. Don't let a game blur the lines between right and wrong. Remember there are real people at the other end of those pixels, treat them as you would any other human being.
If you play be these statements, then you live by them.
Have you ever killed a rat in game? Has your ship ever exploded? Those ships have NPC crew members onboard that you just murdered! How can you as a moral and ethical person support murdering innocent people like that?
You should be ashamed of yourself. |
ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
513
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Posted - 2015.10.20 17:07:49 -
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Locked.
Quote:Forum rules3. Ranting is prohibited.A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 23. Post constructively.Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
ISD Supogo
Lieutenant Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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