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Ostos Marek	Posted - 2007.04.10 17:14:00 - [31] Originally by: 3ll3 A question how would it be so right for Amarrian people to claim slavery was okay if the roles had been reversed? Aserouse question that has repeatedly entered my mind Do you mean if Gallente were the chosen and faithful and that you were enslaving ammatar and amarr and minmatar? If the roles were TRULY reversed, then my answer would be yes, but yes from my current point of view. I understand that from a different perspective slavery looks horrible. If I was unenlightened and did not understand the purpose slavery serves, then most assuredley I would fight for "freedom". The Amarr ad Ammatar understand the basic human desire to fight control. We also do not deny that slavery is control, but it is control with a purpose. The purpose to free the soul. Many slaves that finish education and servitude end up becoming citizens of the Mandate and the Empire. They are productive, well educated, and valuable parts of society. If only there were more willing to step up to the task, convert willingly, and see the light. A few have done so already, without the need to be brought to the truth forcefully. We are recruiting!
Revy Daidros Gallente Digital Roar	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Archbishop ""Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good. Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land. The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood. But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God. Thus they were saved and became God's chosen one." ## The Scriptures. Book II. " We are the chosen and it is our duty. Archbishop Well now... that says just about everything. You fear your God. It is reasonable then, to conclude that this fear consumes you, as your faith consumes you. No wonder you are slavers. Take away a persons right to live their lives free, as they see fit, and you gain power over them. This is the only pathetic control you have in your own lives, subjugating those around you so that you might quell that fear deep in the pit of your own soul. Pathetic... I hope your God reveals himself, and finally gives you reason to fear him. <Broken Strands>
Ostos Marek	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Revy Daidros Originally by: Archbishop ""Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good. Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land. The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood. But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God. Thus they were saved and became God's chosen one." ## The Scriptures. Book II. " We are the chosen and it is our duty. Archbishop Well now... that says just about everything. You fear your God. It is reasonable then, to conclude that this fear consumes you, as your faith consumes you. No wonder you are slavers. Take away a persons right to live their lives free, as they see fit, and you gain power over them. This is the only pathetic control you have in your own lives, subjugating those around you so that you might quell that fear deep in the pit of your own soul. Pathetic... I hope your God reveals himself, and finally gives you reason to fear him. How idiotic you sound. Of course one should FEAR God. When a being is responsible for the creation of the universe, and more importantly, YOU; you should fear angering him. Just as a child should fear their parent. If God chooses to reveal himself to you, rest assured your time is over. We are recruiting!
Madam Dinahkarr Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:44:00 - [34] Quote: When a being is responsible for the creation of the universe, and more importantly, YOU; you should fear angering him. Just as a child should fear their parent. A child should respect their parents, and fear them as you say. But then, when that child claims to be the parent over a younger sibling or another child, something is amiss. The older child is not the parent -- the parent, in this case, God -- is the parent. It is up to the parent to manage things, not the older child to claim to be the voice of the parent.
Revy Daidros Gallente Digital Roar	Posted - 2007.04.10 19:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Ostos Marek How idiotic you sound. Of course one should FEAR God. When a being is responsible for the creation of the universe, and more importantly, YOU; you should fear angering him. Just as a child should fear their parent. If God chooses to reveal himself to you, rest assured your time is over. Haha settle down Mr. Marek. I'll tell you what... Howabout you continue to live your life consumed by fear, while you await the return of your precious god. And I'll continue to enjoy your empty threats. Tell your god to come to me, I'm not consumed by fear. By the way, my parents are the ones responsible for my creation. And they'd be damn proud I'm not wasting my life, following out-dated guidelines laid down countless years earlier by a bunch of stuck up power hungry Amarrians! Your so called "Scriptures" contain nothing more than Yellow Journalism. The content has been written and re-written by those tyrants you call 'elders' to ensure your own races' subjugation. You are just as much a slave as those you claim to have power over. <Broken Strands>
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.04.10 20:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Revy Daidros Your so called "Scriptures" contain nothing more than Yellow Journalism. The content has been written and re-written by those tyrants you call 'elders' to ensure your own races' subjugation. Haha...you have no idea Delictum 23216 Official forums
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2007.04.11 06:34:00 - [37] Amarr shall conquer all miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Ostos Marek	Posted - 2007.04.11 12:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Madam Dinahkarr Quote: When a being is responsible for the creation of the universe, and more importantly, YOU; you should fear angering him. Just as a child should fear their parent. A child should respect their parents, and fear them as you say. But then, when that child claims to be the parent over a younger sibling or another child, something is amiss. The older child is not the parent -- the parent, in this case, God -- is the parent. It is up to the parent to manage things, not the older child to claim to be the voice of the parent. You look at this wrong. If a parent were away, and an older, wiser sibling was left in charge, then yes it is up to the more wise child, the older child, to be the voice of the parent. I do not say God is gone, because he is all around us. I merely say God has asked his spiritually older and more wise children to take some responsibility for their "younger siblings". God has deemed it that the faithful shall bring all those to His grace and glory. You should know this as you are in the Imperial Academy. We are recruiting!
Mori Felding Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2007.04.11 12:42:00 - [39] Edited by: Mori Felding on 11/04/2007 12:38:55 Quote: I do not say God is gone, because he is all around us. I merely say God has asked his spiritually older and more wise children to take some responsibility for their "younger siblings". God has deemed it that the faithful shall bring all those to His grace and glory. You should know this as you are in the Imperial Academy. And just who is it that God is talking to, and what proof is there it isnt a ****pot hearing voices while drowning in delusions of grandeur? ___ Memento Mori*
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood	Posted - 2007.04.11 13:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Nachshon Surely the Gallente would be a better target for slaving, given their decadent society. Think of the impoverished masses, who would likely welcome slavery! Or perhaps the Caldari, who serve nothing higher than themselves or the State. Gallente contact with the Amarr occurred during the Gallente-Caldari war, and even then in the midst of a conflict, Federation (and by extension Caldari State) military hardware (as well as Federation economic might) was a match for their own. Of course both Federation and State technology has since surpassed that of the Amarr. Really now, lasers? How quaint.
Ostos Marek	Posted - 2007.04.11 18:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Mori Felding And just who is it that God is talking to, and what proof is there it isnt a *****pot hearing voices while drowning in delusions of grandeur? I do not need to rattle off what has been proven time and again here on the IGS. If you need proof, then look to the scriptures, look to Moourn Marek's prophecies in the "Crown of San Matar". We are recruiting!
Mori Felding Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2007.04.11 21:16:00 - [42] Unless you can make every random heretic able to establish a communion with God that isn't a trick of a authoritative subconscious experience, meaning that it is in exterior force, nothing has been proven. ___ Memento Mori
Madam Dinahkarr Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.04.11 22:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Mori Felding Unless you can make every random heretic able to establish a communion with God that isn't a trick of a authoritative subconscious experience, meaning that it is in exterior force, nothing has been proven. Ah, but you see, one could say that is the communion with God. Don't get me wrong -- not everyone interprets His word correctly, and there are those who indeed look to use religion as a platform for their own desires -- but at least there are those who put their life and soul into interpreting it, regardless if they are right or wrong. Originally by: Ostos Marik God has deemed it that the faithful shall bring all those to His grace and glory. You should know this as you are in the Imperial Academy. Surely people can be brought to acknowledge God without being enslaved.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Caesar and Sons Salvaging	Posted - 2007.04.11 22:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Madam Dinahkarr Surely people can be brought to acknowledge God without being enslaved. Indeed they can; humanitarian work(building houses for the homeless, giving food to the starving, ect.) and education programs (classes not beatings) would be good for starters as the best way to win someone over to your way of thinking is through kindness; but since that doesn't expand the Empire's borders or put more slaves in the factories you won't see Imperials (most anyway) partaking in such activities. ----------------------------- "Our nation, may she always be right, but our nation right or wrong" - Unknown
Lynal	Posted - 2007.04.12 22:16:00 - [45] Originally by: Spoon Thumb I think you're argument is a little unsophisticated. The Amarrian social system has some inhernet strengths that may not be obvious at first. I think you'd do well to learn a bit more about them before openly criticising,l or you end up just sounding like another mouthpiece of the so called "Freedom Fighters" well said... when you spend the first years of your life living within the Federation you are able to see firsthand the results of a culture that is divided and without purpose. The Amar however show none of the fractured purpose that the Federation does... by divine mandate they follow a singular purpose and always know their destiny. I urge all who have witnessed the deprivations suffered by those still wandering without purpose or intent within the Federation to find the light and walk the path of the Empire.
Venitas	Posted - 2007.04.12 23:29:00 - [46] Originally by: Mori Felding Edited by: Mori Felding on 11/04/2007 12:38:55 Quote: I do not say God is gone, because he is all around us. I merely say God has asked his spiritually older and more wise children to take some responsibility for their "younger siblings". God has deemed it that the faithful shall bring all those to His grace and glory. You should know this as you are in the Imperial Academy. And just who is it that God is talking to, and what proof is there it isnt a *****pot hearing voices while drowning in delusions of grandeur? Historical evidence, otherwise known as hindsight: the early victories of the Amarr that built them up to the power they were when they encountered your people. Including the conquest of my own people back on Amarr Prime (then known as Athra.) If God had not been with them (or from a more skeptical view, if their faith in God had not in itself granted them the great strength it did) they would have failed in their early reclamation attempts and been no more than the scattered tribes your own people were when the Empire discovered you. This does not necessarily indicate the Truth of God's existence (a predicate to His favour,) but it does demonstrate the power that Faith in Him can give. Going beyond that, to the question of whether that power comes from having Faith in something greater than yourself or if it is God's reward for that faith... well, is a matter of faith in itself.

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