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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.10.23 12:48:16 -
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Bobb Bobbington wrote: I have a better question, why do people think the plex market is getting manipulated? Think about it, something like 1,000 plex changes hands in Jita every day. That's more than one trillion isk. I suppose if the largest groups banded together they could stir the pot for a few days, but eventually the sheer torrent of supply and demand would equalize it and make it unprofitable. Plex is created by players, and only consumed by players. You can't cut off the supply, or refuse to use it. It's mostly a free market. The price is set mostly by supply and demand, and if you want to change the price, you have to change one of those. Changing the supply would involve lowering the cost to get plex, killing CCP's revenue. Changing the demand would be lowering the amount of plex consumed, also hurting CCP's income, or simply when plex gets to a point high enough where supply and demand stabilize. The people that stockpile large stores of plex are, as I understand it, speculating that the price will go up, i.e. that demand is more than supply. Except for the recent dip, this idea has been mostly true. When the demand starts to lessen from the increased cost, the price will stop going up.
You shouldn't just change a free market because you believe that a price is too high. That's the price set by the free market, where supply=demand. If you purposefully change it, then its no longer a free market.
exactly this.
The price is high because people are paying for it, if people didnt pay for it the price would drop till people did.
Also how do you put the value of an expiring plex that someone may want to convert to aurum, or make a character transfer?
"oh look sorry i cant do a character transfer because there is no full plexes on the market"
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2015.10.23 13:05:25 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Bobb Bobbington wrote: I have a better question, why do people think the plex market is getting manipulated? Think about it, something like 1,000 plex changes hands in Jita every day. That's more than one trillion isk. I suppose if the largest groups banded together they could stir the pot for a few days, but eventually the sheer torrent of supply and demand would equalize it and make it unprofitable. Plex is created by players, and only consumed by players. You can't cut off the supply, or refuse to use it. It's mostly a free market. The price is set mostly by supply and demand, and if you want to change the price, you have to change one of those. Changing the supply would involve lowering the cost to get plex, killing CCP's revenue. Changing the demand would be lowering the amount of plex consumed, also hurting CCP's income, or simply when plex gets to a point high enough where supply and demand stabilize. The people that stockpile large stores of plex are, as I understand it, speculating that the price will go up, i.e. that demand is more than supply. Except for the recent dip, this idea has been mostly true. When the demand starts to lessen from the increased cost, the price will stop going up.
You shouldn't just change a free market because you believe that a price is too high. That's the price set by the free market, where supply=demand. If you purposefully change it, then its no longer a free market. exactly this. The price is high because people are paying for it, if people didnt pay for it the price would drop till people did. Also how do you put the value of an expiring plex that someone may want to convert to aurum, or make a character transfer? or is the value the same for a plex with 6month and one with 2 days? "oh look sorry i cant do a character transfer because there is no full plexes on the market"
Just get rid of the character bazaar and the full plex issue doesn't exist. Get rid of the Aurum crap and that issue is also solved. (PRO HINT: character bazaar and aurum store both have nothing to do with game play - not necessar) |

Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.10.23 13:11:20 -
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character bazaar trading is a thing so you can argue it is gameplay
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2015.10.23 14:28:45 -
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Lan Wang wrote:character bazaar trading is a thing so you can argue it is gameplay
No I can't. The buying and selling of eve characters is a RL intrusion into the new eden alternate reality. It's a RL tranasaction using game currency. Character ownership is a RL thing, not a game thing. If my character could use it's vast quantities of isk to purchase control of your character in game and all you could do is pay the subscription and watch what my character does with your character, then it would be game play.
https://xkcd.com/849/
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.10.23 14:47:49 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Lan Wang wrote:character bazaar trading is a thing so you can argue it is gameplay No I can't. The buying and selling of eve characters is a RL intrusion into the new eden alternate reality. It's a RL tranasaction using game currency. Character ownership is a RL thing, not a game thing. If my character could use it's vast quantities of isk to purchase control of your character in game and all you could do is pay the subscription and watch what my character does with your character, then it would be game play. https://xkcd.com/849/
character bazaar is part of the game, people make income from it so its just the same as me using rl money to purchase plex to sell on the market, which is also a rl transaction, so can we just remove plex too?
all your doing is reducing the use for plex to satisfy the free to play attitude which is also losing ccp income and also affect the gameplay of many other people who actually provide ccp with rl income instead of freeloading
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2015.10.23 15:39:40 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Lan Wang wrote:character bazaar trading is a thing so you can argue it is gameplay No I can't. The buying and selling of eve characters is a RL intrusion into the new eden alternate reality. It's a RL tranasaction using game currency. Character ownership is a RL thing, not a game thing. If my character could use it's vast quantities of isk to purchase control of your character in game and all you could do is pay the subscription and watch what my character does with your character, then it would be game play. https://xkcd.com/849/
character bazaar is part of the game, people make income from it so its just the same as me using rl money to purchase plex to sell on the market, which is also a rl transaction, so can we just remove plex too? all your doing is reducing the use for plex to satisfy the free to play attitude which is also losing ccp income and also affect the gameplay of many other people who actually provide ccp with rl income instead of freeloading
CCP flat out dictating PLEX price would also solve it. (15 USD = 1 PLEX = 1 bil isk as an example). A guy that is RL cash heavey and in game isk light could purchase the PLEX from npc (CCP via secure website... blah blah blah). PLEX is created and can be purchased in game for isk. External secure website creates the PLEX in game from real currency. That PLEX is now on sale in game for isk. PLEX can not be sold by players (buying plex brings up the option to extend game time OR dual train) and goes right into your characters bucket at purchase time.
I'm not against plex - I think it provides a service both to the folks that want to give CCP spare cash for some isk AND for folks that want to buy game time with their isk. As long as the game time is purchased w/ real money to create it, then it's a wash.
The issue I have is that folks with large piles of isk profitting from the above parties. Just make is a zero gain transaction. I see no reason that CCP has to give players a profit mechanism for these transactions. Game time (which is what a plex represents) is a real world thing. Player characters being able to profit from it is kind of wierd anyway. |

erg cz
Aligned Fleet CZ-SK
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Posted - 2015.10.26 12:17:18 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote: I'm not against plex - .
The OP is also not against PLEX. It is against those few PLEX speculators, who effectively remove content from the sandbox.
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Bobb Bobbington
The Cult of the Rare Pepes
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Posted - 2015.10.26 12:33:18 -
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erg cz wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: I'm not against plex - .
The OP is also not against PLEX. It is against those few PLEX speculators, who effectively remove content from the sandbox.
How do plex speculators remove content? As I stated earlier, they're betting that the price will go up, they're not manipulating it upwards. The large demand and relatively low supply is what's driving it upwards, when people start getting more bang for their buck more will start buying it with real life cash, or when it starts to become uneconomical to consume them then the demand will start to drop off. |

Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2015.10.26 13:26:18 -
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erg cz wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: I'm not against plex - .
The OP is also not against PLEX. It is against those few PLEX speculators, who effectively remove content from the sandbox.
And add more content to those people who sell plex for isk.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
797
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Posted - 2015.10.26 13:56:25 -
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erg cz wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: I'm not against plex - .
The OP is also not against PLEX. It is against those few PLEX speculators, who effectively remove content from the sandbox.
What content is removed? Blobs still blob, bears still bear, pirates still go yarrrr, wormholers gonna wormhole, etc. Or did I miss a patch note where access to say incursions will now require a plex?
Only plex limited event I know of is AT and thats for the buy in. Somehow I don't see many emo raging because they can't make the buy in for AT.
PLex is a privilege not a right. I find the content of the game to be enjoyable regardless if I plex or not. As I play the game as if it were, well, a game. Not a job. |
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