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Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1584	Posted - 2015.10.22 02:03:54 - [1] - Quote Perceived Problem: Excess hoarding of PLEX and market manipulation Recommended Solution: PLEX can be stored indefinitely if never offered for sale. Once offered for sale in game a 6 month expiry timer starts to count down. Advantages 6 months gives scope for PLEX speculation and trading whilst preventing long term stockpiling of PLEX acquired from the market
Madd Adda 131	Posted - 2015.10.22 03:25:14 - [2] - Quote Plex is basically gold irl, you can't have an expiration date on this. people will just troll and scam with last minute sells of plex that are set to expire in a day or less. Carebear extraordinaire
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 795	Posted - 2015.10.22 03:32:43 - [3] - Quote or just pay to play the game and avoid the whole plex matter entirely.
Iain Cariaba 1903	Posted - 2015.10.22 03:41:48 - [4] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Perceived Problem: Excess hoarding of PLEX and market manipulation Recommended Solution: PLEX can be stored indefinitely if never offered for sale. Once offered for sale in game a 6 month expiry timer starts to count down. Advantages 6 months gives scope for PLEX speculation and trading whilst preventing long term stockpiling of PLEX acquired from the market So if I buy a PLEX and have some RL situations come up where I'm unable to play the game for 6+ months, which has happened to me before, then I lose out on the money I spent for the PLEX because you feel entitled to play the game for free? How about no. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Helia Tranquilis State War Academy Caldari State 36	Posted - 2015.10.22 06:01:06 - [5] - Quote There's not even reason to keep plex in your inventory. Reverse redeem and the hoarder's pile stays intact. It's just something we have to live with.
Anthar Thebess 1352	Posted - 2015.10.22 06:33:09 - [6] - Quote Never going to happen. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1712	Posted - 2015.10.22 08:08:13 - [7] - Quote no thanks, just a terrible idea that benefits only f2p players Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
erg cz Aligned Fleet CZ-SK 346	Posted - 2015.10.22 09:05:29 - [8] - Quote Better idea - after 6 months PLEX can not be sold or converted to aurum. It can only be used to get more game time for account, holding it. Absolutely free trial extension. Just click the link and get your extra 2 weeks of Eve for free!
Ix Method Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2015.10.22 10:15:41 - [9] - Quote Heh, this would be hilarious. Travelling at the speed of love.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1714	Posted - 2015.10.22 10:22:54 - [10] - Quote erg cz wrote: Even worse idea - after 6 months PLEX can not be sold or converted to aurum. It can only be used to get more game time for account, holding it. Fixed that for ya bud Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1714	Posted - 2015.10.22 10:24:13 - [11] - Quote Ix Method wrote: Heh, this would be hilarious. what would be hilarious? the amount of people quiting the game so f2p players can play or the amount of rmt that would happen because of it? Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3929	Posted - 2015.10.22 10:34:40 - [12] - Quote Wouldn't this mean that rather than every PLEX being the same, and thus a stack of them being one database entry and all that, every single plex would actually be different and require different entries to keep track of the timer? I don't think that's a good idea really.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 3222	Posted - 2015.10.22 11:15:56 - [13] - Quote This would drive the price for PLEX even higher. If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2280	Posted - 2015.10.22 12:59:26 - [14] - Quote You're putting the cart before the horse. With a perceived problem the first step is to prove it is ACTUALLY a problem. I get it every other day: "the database feels slow" >logs or GTFO.
Boom Laison University of Caille Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2015.10.22 13:32:24 - [15] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Ix Method wrote: Heh, this would be hilarious. what would be hilarious? the amount of people quiting the game so f2p players can play or the amount of rmt that would happen because of it? Couple of speculators rage quited would be nice, yes. Rmt cutted off due to time limit is also nice, yes. You stop being so * would be also nice. PLEX speculations together with AUR (ship skins, anyone? ) pressure made PLEX prices through the roof. So 1. CCP getting less real money (2xPLEXes for the 1,2 B ship last year vs 1xPLEX for the very same ship now) 2. PLEX dependant people mass leaving game, so less content for those, who stay. This: Quote:** after 6 months PLEX can not be sold or converted to aurum. It can only be used to get more game time for account, holding it. is a solution. Just put 3 months instead of 6.
Ix Method Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 476	Posted - 2015.10.22 13:32:38 - [16] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Ix Method wrote: Heh, this would be hilarious. what would be hilarious? the amount of people quiting the game so f2p players can play or the amount of rmt that would happen because of it? Lots of po-faced people taking themselves so seriously their head explodes. I'll add you to the watchlist, just incase. Travelling at the speed of love.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1716	Posted - 2015.10.22 14:03:15 - [17] - Quote Boom Laison wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Ix Method wrote: Heh, this would be hilarious. what would be hilarious? the amount of people quiting the game so f2p players can play or the amount of rmt that would happen because of it? Couple of speculators rage quited would be nice, yes. Rmt cutted off due to time limit is also nice, yes. You stop being so * would be also nice. PLEX speculations together with AUR (ship skins, anyone? ) pressure made PLEX prices through the roof. So 1. CCP getting less real money (2xPLEXes for the 1,2 B ship last year vs 1xPLEX for the very same ship now) 2. PLEX dependant people mass leaving game, so less content for those, who stay. This: Quote:** after 6 months PLEX can not be sold or converted to aurum. It can only be used to get more game time for account, holding it. is a solution. Just put 3 months instead of 6. what exactly do you think this idea would achieve? do you understand how supply and demand works, the market would flood with stockpiles of plex, drive the price down to the magic carebear freeloader price of 300mil for a while then once that stockpile is gone the price would soar or people will just buy up everything on the market and add to there own accounts. Its not a solution because there is no problem with the current system, the problem is that isk is too easy to make Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Zimmer Jones Aliastra Gallente Federation 313	Posted - 2015.10.22 14:55:29 - [18] - Quote Ccp have an economist on payroll and have already said they balance the plex market with sales on plex. Problem is not a problem if ccp sees it as such, and this seems to be the case. And come on, every plex becomes an individual unstackable item? That's one market order per plex, and not a small amount of calculation per suggested time interval ( days, but more likely hours for the final day). The high price means that f2p players have to earn their time by providing server population with the hope that most of it is in space. I know people that will only work enough to plex, and then log until they have to do it next month. 300 mil can be made mining in very little time even with casual play. You are content to be content. This is not a jedi mind trick, you're just the game
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1717	Posted - 2015.10.22 15:50:14 - [19] - Quote we should also make ice melt, minerals deteriorate, loyalty points decline as time goes on too, hell lets make npc tax increase the longer you stay in an npc corp, or is that too harsh? Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2344	Posted - 2015.10.22 15:53:47 - [20] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Perceived Problem: Excess hoarding of PLEX and market manipulation Recommended Solution: PLEX can be stored indefinitely if never offered for sale. Once offered for sale in game a 6 month expiry timer starts to count down. Advantages 6 months gives scope for PLEX speculation and trading whilst preventing long term stockpiling of PLEX acquired from the market So if I buy a PLEX and have some RL situations come up where I'm unable to play the game for 6+ months, which has happened to me before, then I lose out on the money I spent for the PLEX because you feel entitled to play the game for free? How about no. Can't you transfer your PLEX into game time as soon as you buy it? It's not like it would be an "investement" item if it has an expiration date...
Nyalnara AdAstra. Beach Club 167	Posted - 2015.10.22 16:34:00 - [21] - Quote Well, the main problem with all that being: all PLEX would now be separate items, which means there would now be no PLEX market, and only contract. Which means only PLEX being sold will be the max time ones, as those will be the only ones you'll be able to temporarily stock with relative efficiency, in case you need to plex multiple accounts, but not all of those at the same time. Market would also fluctuate a lot much more. The only guys which will be fine with that are the traders which are currently the guys stockpiling. Which means they'll be able to get even more ISKs in a more volatile market... Actually, i'm fine with that , i don't care if market is bleeding to death or not. In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
Iain Cariaba 1905	Posted - 2015.10.23 03:06:19 - [22] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Perceived Problem: Excess hoarding of PLEX and market manipulation Recommended Solution: PLEX can be stored indefinitely if never offered for sale. Once offered for sale in game a 6 month expiry timer starts to count down. Advantages 6 months gives scope for PLEX speculation and trading whilst preventing long term stockpiling of PLEX acquired from the market So if I buy a PLEX and have some RL situations come up where I'm unable to play the game for 6+ months, which has happened to me before, then I lose out on the money I spent for the PLEX because you feel entitled to play the game for free? How about no. Can't you transfer your PLEX into game time as soon as you buy it? It's not like it would be an "investement" item if it has an expiration date... Most often I'm buying PLEX when I get a windfall of cash and saving it until I don't have the cash to pay the subs on all my accounts, or when I do something really stupid and need an injection of ISK. This suggestion would eliminate my ability to play the game entirely at times. At no point are you entitled to play the game for free. If the price of PLEX is too high for you to pay it, then either pay your subs with a card, or figure out how to make more ISK. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
erg cz Aligned Fleet CZ-SK 348	Posted - 2015.10.23 09:10:24 - [23] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Most often I'm buying PLEX when I get a windfall of cash... This suggestion would eliminate my ability to play the game entirely at times. So you "ability to play" depends on rare situations, when you "get a windfall of cash"? And you suggest here to "figure out how to make more ISK"? No comment. Absolutely free trial extension. Just click the link and get your extra 2 weeks of Eve for free!
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1719	Posted - 2015.10.23 10:41:52 - [24] - Quote erg cz wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: Most often I'm buying PLEX when I get a windfall of cash... This suggestion would eliminate my ability to play the game entirely at times. So you "ability to play" depends on rare situations, when you "get a windfall of cash"? And you suggest here to "figure out how to make more ISK"? No comment. the question here is, why should someone elses investment be destroyed to benefit you? plex is gold not a loaf of bread Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17183	Posted - 2015.10.23 11:05:28 - [25] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: we should also make ice melt, minerals deteriorate, loyalty points decline as time goes on too, hell lets make npc tax increase the longer you stay in an npc corp, or is that too harsh? No those are all interesting ideas. Arguably, EVE needs wealth taxes. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Boom Laison University of Caille Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2015.10.23 11:34:32 - [26] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: we should also make ice melt, minerals deteriorate, loyalty points decline as time goes on too, hell lets make npc tax increase the longer you stay in an npc corp, or is that too harsh? Well, you mean ice and minerals in hangars? I understand your sarcasm but guesss what? it is not 100 % stupid idea after all... The difference with PLEX is that ice or mineral prices does not affect amount of players (so = content in our sandbox). And same is with loyality store items. But NPC corp taxes increase with time spent in it will surely make sandbox more interesting. Just make it so, that it is not based on join date but on total time being in this corp. Otherwise it will be enough to make your own little corp for a minute and than go back to NPC safe.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1495	Posted - 2015.10.23 11:48:20 - [27] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Perceived Problem: Excess hoarding of PLEX and market manipulation Recommended Solution: PLEX can be stored indefinitely if never offered for sale. Once offered for sale in game a 6 month expiry timer starts to count down. Advantages 6 months gives scope for PLEX speculation and trading whilst preventing long term stockpiling of PLEX acquired from the market So if I buy a PLEX and have some RL situations come up where I'm unable to play the game for 6+ months, which has happened to me before, then I lose out on the money I spent for the PLEX because you feel entitled to play the game for free? How about no. The game shouldn't be based on some player having some speculated RL issue where they can't log in for 6 months. Does it happen? Possible. Would it be unfortunate? Yes. Is it something the game should be coded around? Foook No. And to be honest. If you were that guy, I would hope that you could petition your case and get it resolved to your satisfaction. This whole "What about the guy that gets trapped in a cave/swamp/hospital for XX time?" argument needs to just go away. Not because I'm a hardasssociopath, but because for the good of the many the game shouldn't be coded around niche arguments. For you personally - just accept that because (what ever you do for six + months) is a thing, then stockpiling plex isn't a valid game option for you. Invest in something else. Sorry dude but the vast majority of the worlds population doesn't disappear for 6+ months.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1721	Posted - 2015.10.23 11:57:16 - [28] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Perceived Problem: Excess hoarding of PLEX and market manipulation Recommended Solution: PLEX can be stored indefinitely if never offered for sale. Once offered for sale in game a 6 month expiry timer starts to count down. Advantages 6 months gives scope for PLEX speculation and trading whilst preventing long term stockpiling of PLEX acquired from the market So if I buy a PLEX and have some RL situations come up where I'm unable to play the game for 6+ months, which has happened to me before, then I lose out on the money I spent for the PLEX because you feel entitled to play the game for free? How about no. The game shouldn't be based on some player having some speculated RL issue where they can't log in for 6 months. Does it happen? Possible. Would it be unfortunate? Yes. Is it something the game should be coded around? Foook No. And to be honest. If you were that guy, I would hope that you could petition your case and get it resolved to your satisfaction. This whole "What about the guy that gets trapped in a cave/swamp/hospital for XX time?" argument needs to just go away. Not because I'm a hardasssociopath, but because for the good of the many the game shouldn't be coded around niche arguments. For you personally - just accept that because (what ever you do for six + months) is a thing, then stockpiling plex isn't a valid game option for you. Invest in something else. Sorry dude but the vast majority of the worlds population doesn't disappear for 6+ months. its a completely valid game option for him if he can disappear for 6+ months because the plex value fluctuates massively over that period of time and his investment has proved to be a good one. the game also should not be based on people who want things for cheap so they can play for free. Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1495	Posted - 2015.10.23 11:59:39 - [29] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Perceived Problem: Excess hoarding of PLEX and market manipulation Recommended Solution: PLEX can be stored indefinitely if never offered for sale. Once offered for sale in game a 6 month expiry timer starts to count down. Advantages 6 months gives scope for PLEX speculation and trading whilst preventing long term stockpiling of PLEX acquired from the market So if I buy a PLEX and have some RL situations come up where I'm unable to play the game for 6+ months, which has happened to me before, then I lose out on the money I spent for the PLEX because you feel entitled to play the game for free? How about no. Can't you transfer your PLEX into game time as soon as you buy it? It's not like it would be an "investement" item if it has an expiration date... Most often I'm buying PLEX when I get a windfall of cash and saving it until I don't have the cash to pay the subs on all my accounts, or when I do something really stupid and need an injection of ISK. This suggestion would eliminate my ability to play the game entirely at times. At no point are you entitled to play the game for free. If the price of PLEX is too high for you to pay it, then either pay your subs with a card, or figure out how to make more ISK. Luckily I really all but a rocket scientist in real life. I will solve your stated problem. When you have a windfall and are able to buy plex - do so. Instead of holding on to them, just put them toward game time on your account. That game time is now forever safeguarded for your personal use. For the part where you need an injection of isk: At 5months and 20days - sell your current plex and buy a new one that is fresh and new. You make a profit AND you have a fresh new plex in the bank that is good 6 months. There is no downside to this guys idea - except that you can't hoard and manipulate plex prices. Honestly, if there is an expiration date and a visible countdown on the plex life span I can see where pricing would become interesting for all. You can hold out for a lower priced plex a guy is trying to unload before it pops and speculators could compete for 'fresh' plex that were just created. Wait, there is a downside - groups or individuals that already have vast amounts of space bucks won't be able to hoard and manipulate plex as easily as they do now.
Bobb Bobbington The Cult of the Rare Pepes 83	Posted - 2015.10.23 12:45:14 - [30] - Quote I have a better question, why do people think the plex market is getting manipulated? Think about it, something like 1,000 plex changes hands in Jita every day. That's more than one trillion isk. I suppose if the largest groups banded together they could stir the pot for a few days, but eventually the sheer torrent of supply and demand would equalize it and make it unprofitable. Plex is created by players, and only consumed by players. You can't cut off the supply, or refuse to use it. It's mostly a free market. The price is set mostly by supply and demand, and if you want to change the price, you have to change one of those. Changing the supply would involve lowering the cost to get plex, killing CCP's revenue. Changing the demand would be lowering the amount of plex consumed, also hurting CCP's income, or simply when plex gets to a point high enough where supply and demand stabilize. The people that stockpile large stores of plex are, as I understand it, speculating that the price will go up, i.e. that demand is more than supply. Except for the recent dip, this idea has been mostly true. When the demand starts to lessen from the increased cost, the price will stop going up. You shouldn't just change a free market because you believe that a price is too high. That's the price set by the free market, where supply=demand. If you purposefully change it, then its no longer a free market.

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