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Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.22 23:13:37 - [1] - Quote Currently im using a VNI, around 500 dps and well i can do fine Ports and forsaken hubs, but once i go to 8/10 complex it just takes to long... basically wondering what should be my next step? Here is the fit that im using: [Vexor Navy Issue, Super Miguel's Vexor Navy Issue import 6] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II 100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Large Shield Extender II Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Imperial Navy Praetor x5
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1591	Posted - 2015.10.22 23:16:32 - [2] - Quote Super Veliz wrote: Currently im using a VNI, around 500 dps and well i can do fine Ports and forsaken hubs, but once i go to 8/10 complex it just takes to long... basically wondering what should be my next step? Here is the fit that im using: [Vexor Navy Issue, Super Miguel's Vexor Navy Issue import 6] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II 100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Large Shield Extender II Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Imperial Navy Praetor x5 That 4th DDA is doing almost nothing. Have you thought about skilling up for an Ishtar ?
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.22 23:24:05 - [3] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: That 4th DDA is doing almost nothing. Have you thought about skilling up for an Ishtar ? Yes im basically between an ishtar, or a rattlesnake, loki, dominix.. not sure where to go from here
Paranoid Loyd 7272	Posted - 2015.10.22 23:31:09 - [4] - Quote Ishtar>Domi>Rattlesnake "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.22 23:34:08 - [5] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Ishtar>Domi>Rattlesnake can you post a ratting fit for the ishtar? it just seems like the rattlesnake has alot more dps potential easy to get to 1000dps but ishtar can barely hit 700
Sheeth Athonille Rabid Dogz Mining Void.. 40	Posted - 2015.10.22 23:34:49 - [6] - Quote Against Sansha I'd recommend an armor tank. I personally enjoyed using a domi in Sansha space, though I'd imagine an ishtar would also be a good choice.
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.22 23:49:26 - [7] - Quote how about loki they any good? better worst than ishtar? Like a Dominix fit like this only does 347 dps instead of 506 that i get with the VNI [Dominix, Dominix are dumb] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Armor Repairer II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Imperial Navy Praetor x5
Tohkat Sinawi Sinawi Exploration Corp 2	Posted - 2015.10.23 00:07:03 - [8] - Quote 6x DDA? Really?
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.23 01:01:11 - [9] - Quote Tohkat Sinawi wrote: 6x DDA? Really? Just putting an example out of a fit
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.23 02:54:48 - [10] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Ishtar>Domi>Rattlesnake Can you post a Dominix fit that makes it better than the rattlesnake?

Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1591	Posted - 2015.10.23 03:29:18 - [11] - Quote Super Veliz wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Ishtar>Domi>Rattlesnake Can you post a Dominix fit that makes it better than the rattlesnake? 1) Generic T2 Domi caps out about 600 to 800 DPS depending on drones but the damage application is exceptional due to the hull bonuses to range and tracking. If you want more DPS than that you need a Navy Domi and some large turrets as well as the drones but you lose those hull bonuses. 2) Rattlesnake can get up to 1800 DPS but only 700 or so is from drones the rest is torpedoes. plus depending on fit it sometimes has trouble applying that 1800 to anything smaller than a small moon :D With regard to the fit above some generic comments: Drone Damage Amplifier II - more than 3 is stupid - just put 3 DDA in lows plus tank or the new drone modules Drone Link Augmentor II - 6 gives you 200km or so drone control range ? really ? stick to four of those stick a tractor or remote rep module or cloak in the spare slots Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script you can probably add one or two more of these but use tracking scripts Large Capacitor Control Circuit three ? what for? what is going to use all that cap?
Demerius Xenocratus Rapid Withdrawal 709	Posted - 2015.10.23 03:55:26 - [12] - Quote Super Veliz wrote: how about loki they any good? better worst than ishtar? Like a Dominix fit like this only does 347 dps instead of 506 that i get with the VNI [Dominix, Dominix are dumb] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Armor Repairer II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Imperial Navy Praetor x5 Fix your drone skills.
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.23 04:50:16 - [13] - Quote agree that dominix fit sucks, but it was something i got from google.
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.23 05:20:14 - [14] - Quote after playing a bit with my VNI i got this: (560DPS) not sure if geckos are any good for anomalies [Vexor Navy Issue, Super Miguel's Vexor Navy Issue import 7] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II 100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Large Shield Extender II Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Gecko x2 Imperial Navy Praetor x1
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 478	Posted - 2015.10.23 09:03:27 - [15] - Quote Typhoon fleet or rattlesnake is your two best options. Cruise torps and sentries. On the rattlesnake use thermal missiles because of the bonus, they'll outperform EM missiles. You should be getting just over 1k dps on either even with just T1 launchers and faction drones. Range you'll be looking at around 75km so use a MJD. Don't need a ton of tank at that range but fit a standard 3 module tank(xl shield booster + EM and therm resist) with maybe an EM rig. Use a rigor and flare rig and mount a TP and some omnidirectionals for range for the curators. The fleet phoon you can armor tank too if you wanted. Use a reactive armor hardener.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 836	Posted - 2015.10.23 14:01:13 - [16] - Quote I believe this is still viable. [Ishtar, anom] Shield Power Relay II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier 100MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Prototype Cloaking Device I Small Tractor Beam II Small Remote Armor Repairer II Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Ogre II x5 = 797dps or Gecko x2 Hammerhead II x2 = 829 dps Hobgoblin II x1 The above dps is with all 5s.
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 478	Posted - 2015.10.23 14:47:35 - [17] - Quote An alternative to the cruise+sentries would be HML + Heavy drones. You'd need more tank though and won't be as safe as the sentry option.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1725	Posted - 2015.10.23 15:40:01 - [18] - Quote Tohkat Sinawi wrote: 6x DDA? Really? if in doubt max it out Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Garrett Osinov Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2015.10.23 16:00:46 - [19] - Quote Try Gila...
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 478	Posted - 2015.10.23 16:11:59 - [20] - Quote Gila maxes out at around 800dps with all V but they are removing one low slot from it come december.

Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.23 16:18:44 - [21] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: I believe this is still viable. [Ishtar, anom] Shield Power Relay II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier 100MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Prototype Cloaking Device I Small Tractor Beam II Small Remote Armor Repairer II Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Ogre II x5 = 797dps or Gecko x2 Hammerhead II x2 = 829 dps Hobgoblin II x1 The above dps is with all 5s. Remote armor repairer?
Mr Mac Dark Goliath 108	Posted - 2015.10.23 17:03:21 - [22] - Quote To repair drones
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.23 17:09:39 - [23] - Quote Praetor vs gecko?? Is there a tool that will tell me the exact dps of drones but i want real dps not paper dps?? Like praetor do em dmg and the rats here are weak against it...
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 836	Posted - 2015.10.23 17:11:09 - [24] - Quote Super Veliz wrote: Praetor vs gecko?? Is there a tool that will tell me the exact dps of drones but i want real dps not paper dps?? Like praetor do em dmg and the rats here are weak against it... PROS: Geckos do Omni damage. effective against all types. CONS: Expensive
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.23 17:43:03 - [25] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Super Veliz wrote: Praetor vs gecko?? Is there a tool that will tell me the exact dps of drones but i want real dps not paper dps?? Like praetor do em dmg and the rats here are weak against it... PROS: Geckos do Omni damage. effective against all types. CONS: Expensive Expensive is not a problem, so geckos will do more dmg than amarr drones even tough amarr ones are em
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 836	Posted - 2015.10.24 01:20:08 - [26] - Quote Yes. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Drones_101
Sheeth Athonille Rabid Dogz Mining Void.. 41	Posted - 2015.10.24 02:28:10 - [27] - Quote I'm not so sure about that... I guess it depends on your drone skills though. 2 Imperial Navy Praetor do 215 em dps. 1 gecko does 65.6 em dps, and 196.8 "other" dps. (em damage x damage modifier x number of drones for 50 bandwidth). So straight up geckos do more damage, but most of that isn't being shot into the resist holes. Now it's hard to say if one is truly better than the other without having the resistance profiles of the npc's in particular, but I'm going to wager that the Praetor will do more damage to the sansha rats than the gecko will. Now geckos do have an advantage in that they have better tracking. Were geckos really shine is if you are going up against omni tanked ships, so pvp, incursions, sleepers, etc. Of course you're more likely to lose them there, so there is that. Note: I just used the compare tool to find these numbers, not sure if that takes into consideration skills or not? I'm never sure with drones
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 593	Posted - 2015.10.24 14:25:16 - [28] - Quote Just some thoughts to put out. Rattle with it's Thermal and Kinetic damage lock on the missiles / torps may not be the best for Sansha since your primary damage output should be EM. Others have covered the Domi etc, so how about one of the Amarr BS, the Paladin or maybe a laser fit Nightmare. All of them can be armor tanked which is better for sansha and the lasers with the high EM damage would be good as well.
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.24 14:59:03 - [29] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: Just some thoughts to put out. Rattle with it's Thermal and Kinetic damage lock on the missiles / torps may not be the best for Sansha since your primary damage output should be EM. Others have covered the Domi etc, so how about one of the Amarr BS, the Paladin or maybe a laser fit Nightmare. All of them can be armor tanked which is better for sansha and the lasers with the high EM damage would be good as well. Any drone boat that can utilize lasers?
Sheeth Athonille Rabid Dogz Mining Void.. 41	Posted - 2015.10.25 01:02:14 - [30] - Quote No such thing as "the best", but I'd say probably paladin. They do high dps of the type needed, immune to the tracking disruption that sansha do, and able to loot/salvage as you go. Of course I've also heard the night mare can be beastly vs sansha. Both are expensive of course, so I'd personally go with the domi as being "the best".

Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.25 04:54:16 - [31] - Quote Sheeth Athonille wrote: No such thing as "the best", but I'd say probably paladin. They do high dps of the type needed, immune to the tracking disruption that sansha do, and able to loot/salvage as you go. Of course I've also heard the night mare can be beastly vs sansha. Both are expensive of course, so I'd personally go with the domi as being "the best". What fit you use in the domi?
Mr Mac Dark Goliath 109	Posted - 2015.10.25 05:07:47 - [32] - Quote Super Veliz wrote: Sheeth Athonille wrote: No such thing as "the best", but I'd say probably paladin. They do high dps of the type needed, immune to the tracking disruption that sansha do, and able to loot/salvage as you go. Of course I've also heard the night mare can be beastly vs sansha. Both are expensive of course, so I'd personally go with the domi as being "the best". Domi over ishtar? Of course. Domi has double sentry dps than ishtar
Sheeth Athonille Rabid Dogz Mining Void.. 41	Posted - 2015.10.25 05:25:34 - [33] - Quote Eh I'm partial to the domi because I prefer using sentries as opposed to heavies. Since with ishtars a lot of the tank comes from speed tank, sentries don't mesh well. Domi's also lend themselves better to armor tanking than ishtars (7 lows vs 6 and 3 rigs vs 2), and the t2 resists aren't in EM, so doesn't help much with tanking. So more or less, I feel that the domi tanks it better (and thus you can safely include more damage/application mods), and it meshes with my pve style better.
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.25 14:53:08 - [34] - Quote Mr Mac wrote: Super Veliz wrote: Sheeth Athonille wrote: No such thing as "the best", but I'd say probably paladin. They do high dps of the type needed, immune to the tracking disruption that sansha do, and able to loot/salvage as you go. Of course I've also heard the night mare can be beastly vs sansha. Both are expensive of course, so I'd personally go with the domi as being "the best". Domi over ishtar? Of course. Domi has double sentry dps than ishtar Can you post what kind of fit you use qith ur domi??
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 594	Posted - 2015.10.25 15:26:28 - [35] - Quote Super Veliz wrote: So precapitals which is the overall best ship to kill sanshas??? As the others have stated no such thing as "the best". If you have the ISK then I would say go Paladin or Laser fit Nightmare. If ISK is a concern or you prefer drones then the Domi or a Navy Domi would be my choice. How to fit any of them depends on how you prefer to run missions etc. What works for a long range fit would not for a medium or short range fit, what works up close will not work well at longer ranges. So this comes back to you, what range do you want to work at?
Chuffer Testicle of Doom 0	Posted - 2015.10.25 18:09:42 - [36] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: Super Veliz wrote: So precapitals which is the overall best ship to kill sanshas??? As the others have stated no such thing as "the best". If you have the ISK then I would say go Paladin or Laser fit Nightmare. If ISK is a concern or you prefer drones then the Domi or a Navy Domi would be my choice. How to fit any of them depends on how you prefer to run missions etc. What works for a long range fit would not for a medium or short range fit, what works up close will not work well at longer ranges. So this comes back to you, what range do you want to work at? Paladin is best for Sansha as they like to disrupt tracking.
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.26 15:17:04 - [37] - Quote how about dominix vs dominix navy issue?
Sheeth Athonille Rabid Dogz Mining Void.. 41	Posted - 2015.10.27 01:12:44 - [38] - Quote Super Veliz wrote: how about dominix vs dominix navy issue? That's pretty easy. Dominix is for sentries, dominix navy issue is for hybrids with some sentries. If you have good hybrid skills, go navy issue. If you're banking mostly on sentries, go regular issue. Not using hybrids also has the advantage of not needing ammo, so depending on were you are in null, this may be a good thing or neutral.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1599	Posted - 2015.10.27 05:03:21 - [39] - Quote Basically: If what you shoot at is big slow and in reasonable range the Navy has far more DPS. If what you shoot at tends to be small. fast or a long way away the normal Domi has far better damage application.
Onotole Vassermanov The Black Company G.C. Soviet-Union 36	Posted - 2015.10.27 07:53:09 - [40] - Quote Ishtar http://kb.su-eve.ru/kill/2051652/ window was hanging up due undock, i did not mark it, as were chatting in other :-) Old version of fit, but instead of 1 med NEW Ishtar got 1 low. Use it for "tank" or "tracking" for drones. Lock 100km, dps around 600-650. Tank is enough if you choose resist up to NPC damage. For ratting more and more ppl choosed Barghest. High DPS with very high applying speed. Rattlesnake will claim you both drones and missiles. Training is

Demerius Xenocratus Rapid Withdrawal 716	Posted - 2015.10.27 13:26:45 - [41] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: Super Veliz wrote: So precapitals which is the overall best ship to kill sanshas??? As the others have stated no such thing as "the best". If you have the ISK then I would say go Paladin or Laser fit Nightmare. If ISK is a concern or you prefer drones then the Domi or a Navy Domi would be my choice. How to fit any of them depends on how you prefer to run missions etc. What works for a long range fit would not for a medium or short range fit, what works up close will not work well at longer ranges. So this comes back to you, what range do you want to work at? Aren't nightmares pretty cheap these days? Cheaper than a navy hull for sure. Problem with Sanshas will be mass tracking disruption - I suspect that as usual a proper tanked Ishtar with 5 Praetors or 2 Geckos and a Praetor will be the simplest option. Full skills will give you close to 700 DPS with Praetors; more with geckos, with near perfect application and zero fucks given for TD.
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 13:47:44 - [42] - Quote Right now im using a vexor navy issue, i have about 600 dps with 2 geckos and 1 heavy. I normally warp to 0 drop my mtu and orbit it at 22km... Normally i can kill a forzaken hib in about 35-40 minutes... I can afk it i ONLY need to pay attention to reds that come into the system... Will i be able to improve this performance with a dominix??
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 838	Posted - 2015.10.27 17:00:36 - [43] - Quote You just need to train up your drone skills more and get Gallente Cruiser to 5. Max skills on a VNI will net you around 800+ dps with 2 geckos, 2 Hammerhead II, and 1 Hob II. Hell, 5 maxed skill Praetor IIs will get you over 700.
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 19:00:55 - [44] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: You just need to train up your drone skills more and get Gallente Cruiser to 5. Max skills on a VNI will net you around 800+ dps with 2 geckos, 2 Hammerhead II, and 1 Hob II. Hell, 5 maxed skill Praetor IIs will get you over 700. I have gallente cruiser at 5 :) just my drone skills are low i cant use t2 droness
Onotole Vassermanov The Black Company G.C. Soviet-Union 39	Posted - 2015.10.28 09:35:39 - [45] - Quote Centries do not need to fly between targets. Clear DPS, without "spherical horse in vacuum" on heavies.
Super Veliz Arsenic. The Volition Cult 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 15:14:59 - [46] - Quote Like with the VNI it takes me about 35 minutes to do a Forzaken Hub... Training for Ishtar atm... maybe i should try using a gila while i wait... (8 days)


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