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Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 284	Posted - 2015.10.26 20:32:53 - [1] - Quote The XL artwork is seriously cool..... that Avatar looks positively puny in comparison War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 285	Posted - 2015.10.27 21:47:57 - [2] - Quote Might have been answered already but... will you be able to tether unmanned ships to a citadel, and what sort of access controls will be available? War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 287	Posted - 2015.11.01 10:32:36 - [3] - Quote So, I couldn't find an answer to my earlier question, but I dug this out from the other thread which looked like it had died a death and fallen off it's sticky... CCP Ytterbium wrote: Alright, to recap where we're at with this. Tethering: Going to be renamed tethering instead of mooring (mooring is confusing for various reasons). As long as within some specific range of the structure and do not have weapons timer, you ship is tethered, meaning it cannot receive damage or be locked. You can align and move within the specified tethering range and still be protected, as long as you do not go outside the maximum range. You will not be able to tether to the structure if you are warp scrambled from a targeted module (HIC point, regular warp scrambling modules). You will be able to tether to the structure if you are within an AoE warp scramble bubble (HIC AoE bubble, interdictor bubble). Of course you will not be able to warp away however. This is to prevent people from being caught their pants down when logging back on near a structure. Tethering will be shown in the UI and visually in space. We are investigating options to minimize bumping when you are tethered. If your ship has access to dock into the structure it can use tethering. This doesn't mean you ship can dock however. For instance, you may have access to dock into a Medium Citadel as a Titan pilot, but you still are unable to dock. Your Titan will still be tethered when in range of the structure. If you log off you do not stay in space near the structure, you log off as you normally would (which is why calling this feature "mooring" is confusing). If you leave your active ship the tether will not protect the ship left behind and will tether to your capsule. Docking Medium Citadels: all subcapitals can dock. The Orca and Freighters can also dock. Large Citadels: all capitals can dock. This includes the Rorqual. X-Large Citadels: all ships can dock. There are different docking bays depending if you are in a subcapital, capital or supercapital. Depending on the structure, there may be more than one of each. You cannot choose which one to undock from (for now at least). There is no station interior. When you dock the scene is centered around the structure. Some information may be hidden (like the overview or ship modules) since technically you are not in a ship anymore. Since you're tethered it's easy to undock and then dock back up to get this information back. This is of great concern, as, given you are removing Starbases (eventually) you are also removing one of the options for smaller groups (namely XL-SMA), who don't have a cat in hells chance of building an XL Citadel. I see this as a massive oversight Ytterbium... War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 287	Posted - 2015.11.01 10:48:57 - [4] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Gabriel Karade wrote: So, I couldn't find an answer to my earlier question, but I dug this out from the other thread which looked like it had died a death and fallen off it's sticky... This is of great concern, as, given you are removing Starbases (eventually) you are also removing one of the options for smaller groups (namely XL-SMA), who don't have a cat in hells chance of building an XL Citadel. I see this as a massive oversight Ytterbium... Could you name who these 'smaller groups' are that have Titans and Super Carriers but can't afford an XL Citadel please? In smaller groups it tends to be the individual pilots who have acquired them, not 'the group'. For an XL citadel currently looking at what?... 70bn (base hull materials) + XX bn (BPC cost? noting its 700 bn for the BPO) + XX bn (Rigs) You are kidding yourself if you think these will be anything other than toys for the largest groups. War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 287	Posted - 2015.11.01 11:17:44 - [5] - Quote The original Sovereignty requirements were removed from XL_SMAs for good reason...to give smaller groups options, particularly those operating in low-sec (hence why anchoring in 0.3 space is allowed). I cannot believe there would be a driver to now remove that functionality. I could dig through loads more of these but as an example of them being used: https://zkillboard.com/kill/48423733/ War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 287	Posted - 2015.11.01 11:33:39 - [6] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Gabriel Karade wrote: The original Sovereignty requirements were removed from XL_SMAs for good reason...to give smaller groups options, particularly those operating in low-sec (hence why anchoring in 0.3 space is allowed). I cannot believe there would be a driver to now remove that functionality. I could dig through loads more of these but as an example of them being used: https://zkillboard.com/kill/48423733/ Sure, Corps use them. Now prove that that was a single pilot, not a corp. Also please prove to me that the pilot who could afford a 100 Billion ship can not afford a 70 billion Citadel, especially since they could also afford to lose said 100 billion ship. So losing a 70 Billion citadel and paying shipping on the titan would also be similar cost to them. I really think you are crying over nothing. Stop being obtuse (I'm sorry but falling back on the 'crying' line proves you are just trolling...) they won't cost 70 Bn, they will cost multiples of 70 Bn when factoring in base hull, BPC and rig costs. That's not a problem for larger groups, but considering currently that functionality is provided by a 250m isk POS with an 800m isk structure, that is a massive 'deal' for smaller groups. They (XL-SMAs) were amended to provide functionality that is now being removed, apparently by omission rather than intent. I would like CCPs perspective on this, not that of some twit hiding behind an alt. War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 287	Posted - 2015.11.01 11:54:26 - [7] - Quote Long term fuel costs are 6bn per year, so still nothing compared to the cost of having to setup a 70bn based hull + BPC + Rigs XL Citadel. Oh and the corp theft issue is trivial to resolve by the way... Sorry, but if you are not an alt, you are not a stakeholder in this, so you really don't understand the issues... Edit: Let me spell it out for you - this 'locks-in' pilots who otherwise would be able to temporarily take a 'step outside' to do other things. It's a terrible change to game mechanics (more boredom), which I really can't believe is intentional given XL-SMA's were made available to all to provide that functionality at a reasonable cost. War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 287	Posted - 2015.11.01 12:45:45 - [8] - Quote Querns wrote: Please tell me where you're parking a supercap in an XLSMA. It's... for statistical purposes. Yep. In Amamake, in an un-fuelled tower... Next stupid comment please. War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 287	Posted - 2015.11.01 12:53:47 - [9] - Quote Querns wrote: Gabriel Karade wrote: Querns wrote: Please tell me where you're parking a supercap in an XLSMA. It's... for statistical purposes. Yep. In Amamake, in an un-fuelled tower... Next stupid comment please. Despite the jape, it's a valid point -- who the hell would be stupid enough to park a 20 billion isk (plus) autism chariot in an XLSMA? Plenty of people, it's not rocket science to manage the risks - some people get caught out (e.g. the example I linked earlier). War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 287	Posted - 2015.11.01 13:02:55 - [10] - Quote Querns wrote: Gabriel Karade wrote: Querns wrote: Gabriel Karade wrote: Querns wrote: Please tell me where you're parking a supercap in an XLSMA. It's... for statistical purposes. Yep. In Amamake, in an un-fuelled tower... Next stupid comment please. Despite the jape, it's a valid point -- who the hell would be stupid enough to park a 20 billion isk (plus) autism chariot in an XLSMA? Plenty of people, it's not rocket science to manage the risks - some people get caught out (e.g. the example I linked earlier). The risk can be managed, but it's a stupid risk -- why not just log off inside an otherwise nondescript POS? Planting an XLSMA down puts a target on your stuff. You have to consider it against the reward of being able to step outside the coffin for a short period of time to do fun stuff - this is a game afterall. War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293

Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 287	Posted - 2015.11.01 13:14:04 - [11] - Quote Next question: Can you use a Jump Portal Generator while tethered? (both covert and big brother flavours). Also what are the tethering limitations (numbers of ships) ? War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 287	Posted - 2015.11.01 13:58:49 - [12] - Quote Querns wrote: Gabriel Karade wrote: You have to consider it against the reward of being able to step outside the coffin for a short period of time to do fun stuff - this is a game afterall. I guess they don't have alts where you live. Which is yet another crappy game mechanic, and also undermined by the tethering concept; you eject to switch out to 'holding alt', ship is no longer is tethered and therefore vulnerable.... as opposed to being able to safely transfer pilots inside the comfort of a password protected starbase forcefield.... Tethering should at the bare minimum remain applied to unmanned ships to keep in line with existing mechanics. War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 287	Posted - 2015.11.01 15:26:32 - [13] - Quote Firvain wrote: Gabriel Karade wrote: Querns wrote: Gabriel Karade wrote: You have to consider it against the reward of being able to step outside the coffin for a short period of time to do fun stuff - this is a game afterall. I guess they don't have alts where you live. Which is yet another crappy game mechanic, and also undermined by the tethering concept; you eject to switch out to 'holding alt', ship is no longer is tethered and therefore vulnerable.... as opposed to being able to safely transfer pilots inside the comfort of a password protected starbase forcefield.... Tethering should at the bare minimum remain applied to unmanned ships to keep in line with existing mechanics. Thats why you dock in your shiny new citadel and trade it directly... Cant wait for citadels to trade titans, I cant count the number of titans that have left the "safety" of my pos when i handed them over to my buyer on their own Yes, at approximately 400 times the cost of what it requires now. That's not going to be in issue for the likes of yourself (you guys will no doubt have more XL citadels than you know what to do with...), but that's a hell of a change for everyone else not in a large group. War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 288	Posted - 2015.11.01 22:49:05 - [14] - Quote Kenneth Feld wrote: Gabriel Karade wrote: Stupid forums were giving me quote errors, so i deleted the whole damn mess...but you guys should understand this answer.... Well, POS's aren't being removed until all 8 types of structure are in the game and we have 100% overlap of functionality. That beign said, do we know how much a XL assembly arrays costs? They can certainly dock there as they are built there What about a XL drilling machine, we have been told we can reprocess them, so they should be able to dock. Do we know how much any of these structures cost? Citadels are the biggest, badest and most expensive, with good reason, they are your home, but to think they are the only one of the 8 that can dock a SC/Titan MIGHT be strecthing it as we have no idea. So until we have a better picture, i think you are crying over the possibility in 2 years someone might spill milk See, that was a perfectly reasonable post.... until you had to troll.... .....no, I'm am not 'crying' (seriously, grow up FFS...!), I am pointing out there is a gap in what is being proposed (which may or may not be filled by other structures). War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Gabriel Karade Noir. Mercenary Coalition 288	Posted - 2015.11.02 18:11:06 - [15] - Quote Kenneth Feld wrote: Gabriel Karade wrote: Kenneth Feld wrote: Gabriel Karade wrote: Stupid forums were giving me quote errors, so i deleted the whole damn mess...but you guys should understand this answer.... Well, POS's aren't being removed until all 8 types of structure are in the game and we have 100% overlap of functionality. That beign said, do we know how much a XL assembly arrays costs? They can certainly dock there as they are built there What about a XL drilling machine, we have been told we can reprocess them, so they should be able to dock. Do we know how much any of these structures cost? Citadels are the biggest, badest and most expensive, with good reason, they are your home, but to think they are the only one of the 8 that can dock a SC/Titan MIGHT be strecthing it as we have no idea. So until we have a better picture, i think you are crying over the possibility in 2 years someone might spill milk See, that was a perfectly reasonable post.... until you had to troll.... .....no, I'm am not 'crying' (seriously, grow up FFS...!), I am pointing out there is a gap in what is being proposed (which may or may not be filled by other structures). Hmm, maybe lost in translation "crying over spilled milk" is a phrase used to describe complaining about something that isn't even real or may not become real It doesn't have to do with the physical act of crying or whining My point still stands, we have only seen the first of 8 structures, which admittedly is the biggest, baddest and most expensive Lets wait and see what the other 7 are, how much they cost and what can dock there before we jump to more conclusions about how much it will cost to dock a super point taken, no worries War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293