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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:04:38 -
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Citadels in all sizes will give New Eden a new shape - and they all will arrive with the next big expansion EVE Online: Citadels this Spring!
Those Citadels are true behemoths and powerful structures, now is the time to see what it takes to manufacture them and components for them. Rejoice as we have plenty of details ready!
Check out CCP Ytterbium's latest blog Building your Citadel, one block at a time with all the info!
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer - Volunteer Manager
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1873
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:20:13 -
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These seem awfully cheap at the medium level given their really small vulnerability window. Is there a concern we end up with a very spammable and essentially throwaway level of citadels?
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
278
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:21:45 -
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Nothing is there. I guess it is still being updated..
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1172
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:25:41 -
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What bonus is outpost construction V going to give people if I is all you need to build an XL citadel? |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1172
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:33:11 -
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not that i'm complaining as i lounge upon a stack of trillions of isk but don't you think that 700b might be a bit expensive for the bpo |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2205
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:35:15 -
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I'm glad to see citadels moving forward. The market speculation should be very nice, as a bonus.
I, of course, have to ask again -- has there been any discussion on how legacy outposts will be handled at their end of life? It would be nice to know, so we can act in the short term.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Unholythrash Davaham
Respawn Disabled Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:36:34 -
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Why not just homogenize ice and isotope across the board? If the citadels aren't going to use race specific fuel blocks it seems silly to keep racial blocks moving forward. The whole purpose of them previously was because towers force you to choose based on bonus's vs personal needs. I feel like this is probably the one place where homogenization would be a good thing.
Edit: You would need to increase module/service consumption to match current total fuel block consumption but it seems like the smartest and easiest path forward. |
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:38:34 -
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[paranoia] I've noticed that medium citadel does not require factory and lab construction components to build. [/paranoia]
Does it mean that research/invention/manufacturing would not be available in medium citadels, or it's just an arbitrary component set that in no way reflects the structure capabilities? |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:41:24 -
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brb, buying salvage |
DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation Eve Radio Alliance
241
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:42:03 -
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the bp costs will maybe salt my food for a while from people ... 700B isk
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1172
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:43:16 -
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Are those research/copy times in minutes or in seconds? Can't seem to find anything online to clarify those units. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1873
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:56:01 -
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What are the units per run of the fuel block bpo?
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
361
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Posted - 2015.10.26 15:59:19 -
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I like these new Citadels, but one thing kinda bothers me. Why do you have three different sizes? What you are part of a small group and you build a Medium Citadel, but as time goes on your group grows. Now you need a bigger Citadel. OK, but that means either building it someplace new, or having to tear down the Medium to make room. That is kinda lame.
Why can't there just be one Citadel that you can just keep upgrading over? Sure keep the cost investment the same, but there would no longer be the annoyance to move all assets out of the structure just to turn around and replace it with the next level up. Maybe that is part of the plan and I missed it in the blog? |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1172
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:03:30 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:I like these new Citadels, but one thing kinda bothers me. Why do you have three different sizes? What you are part of a small group and you build a Medium Citadel, but as time goes on your group grows. Now you need a bigger Citadel. OK, but that means either building it someplace new, or having to tear down the Medium to make room. That is kinda lame.
Why can't there just be one Citadel that you can just keep upgrading over? Sure keep the cost investment the same, but there would no longer be the annoyance to move all assets out of the structure just to turn around and replace it with the next level up. Maybe that is part of the plan and I missed it in the blog? blow up the old one and use asset safety to automove |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
476
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:10:06 -
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Torgeir Hekard wrote:[paranoia] I've noticed that medium citadel does not require factory and lab construction components to build. [/paranoia]
Does it mean that research/invention/manufacturing would not be available in medium citadels, or it's just an arbitrary component set that in no way reflects the structure capabilities?
Service modules. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1172
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:10:40 -
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So this is linked in the devblog:
CSM Citadel FAQ GÇô A detailed FAQ covering all important aspects of the new structures. Compiled by the CSM in conjunction with CCP. Available in English only. - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mEbMx9xUXje3KH4AppvcjSSoALUVtVEaK6ZZ-zy2Lrs/edit?pli=1
Yet in this, there's such things as:
Quote:How may I attack someone's Citadel? Medium, Large and X-Large structures will use a version of the Sovereignty capture mechanic, which means they will only be attacked through the use of the Entosis module.
What information in here is reliable and what is not? Clearly it's not up to date. |
Exia Lennelluc
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:10:53 -
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For fuel block production why not add a ice upgrade for null like the ore upgrade that span all 4 racial ice |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7821
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:21:52 -
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Quote: A Medium structure hull may be deployed from an Industrial, Large and X-Large require a freighter. Yes, we do are aware this make things more complicated to deploy a Large or X-Large structure in low class wormhole space. This is intended. CCPlease. Give us low-class wormholers so sort of break here. You're essentially saying that we'll need to build an otherwise completely useless freighter which will be trapped in our wormhole solely for the purpose of deploying large citadels. And make no mistake we need large citadels many of us have large numbers of capitals and we'll need places to put them. I get not wanting us to easily put up XLs, (not that it'd be easy anyway with the ISK cost involved), but come on.
None of us are going to leave our capital fleets floating in space outside mediums, we just won't use these structures and we'll keep using towers. You have to give us some realistic option to store our capitals and telling us to build a two billion isk ship that we can't use for anything else is not realistic.
Either make them fit into something other then a freighter, or give us a way to shove freighters through our wormholes. This feels like a slap across the face to low class space.
Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
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Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
207
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:25:06 -
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What about nomads?
I mean you can offline and unanchor a tower and go away.
The citadels seem to be permanent. Are there any plans for basic mobile bases? |
SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:25:45 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:Quote: A Medium structure hull may be deployed from an Industrial, Large and X-Large require a freighter. Yes, we do are aware this make things more complicated to deploy a Large or X-Large structure in low class wormhole space. This is intended. CCPlease. Give us low-class wormholers so sort of break here. You're essentially saying that we'll need to build an otherwise completely useless freighter which will be trapped in our wormhole solely for the purpose of deploying large citadels. And make no mistake we need large citadels many of us have large numbers of capitals and we'll need places to put them. I get not wanting us to easily put up XLs, (not that it'd be easy anyway with the ISK cost involved), but come on. None of us are going to leave our capital fleets floating in space outside mediums, we just won't use these structures and we'll keep using towers. You have to give us some realistic option to store our capitals and telling us to build a two billion isk ship that we can't use for anything else is not realistic. Either make them fit into something other then a freighter, or give us a way to shove freighters through our wormholes. This feels like a slap across the face to low class space. You know that to build really tall buildings and such, cranes are built on site and taken down when the building is done. Sacrificing a freighter to get that medium structure seems like small potatoes when it comes to wormholes. |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
4346
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:27:34 -
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Aryth wrote:These seem awfully cheap at the medium level given their really small vulnerability window. Is there a concern we end up with a very spammable and essentially throwaway level of citadels?
They are destructible, so the smaller sizes should be relatively spammable. Also remember 600m ISK it the base hull price. |
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1875
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:28:25 -
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We want to point out that anyone buying the BPO with these stats would need to be ********.
Imagine 6 are bought day one. How many BPCs in 1 year? Heh. Yeah....
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
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Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
207
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:29:14 -
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Saede Riordan wrote: CCPlease. Give us low-class wormholers so sort of break here. You're essentially saying that we'll need to build an otherwise completely useless freighter
The more interesting question is, how to build a freighter when there are no more towers.
Also it also means that if you are invaded, the enemy has to build a freighter before he can build a citadel. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1875
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:30:57 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Aryth wrote:These seem awfully cheap at the medium level given their really small vulnerability window. Is there a concern we end up with a very spammable and essentially throwaway level of citadels? They are destructible, so the smaller sizes should be relatively spammable. Also remember 600m ISK it the base hull price.
I think the greater concern is the cheap cost with the very tiny vuln window per week. You can effectively make these stagers that are immune to being blown up. POS today are attackable anytime and you can eliminate hostile stagers. These things will have some tiny window in the middle of a week night and immune the rest of the week. A bit overpowered. Even at 3x the cost shown it would be overpowered.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
4346
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:31:35 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:What bonus is outpost construction V going to give people if I is all you need to build an XL citadel?
That is a good point, thanks for bringing it out. We should probably have a bonus tied to it. No promises though. |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
4346
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:34:06 -
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Querns wrote:I'm glad to see citadels moving forward. The market speculation should be very nice, as a bonus.
I, of course, have to ask again -- has there been any discussion on how legacy outposts will be handled at their end of life? It would be nice to know, so we can act in the short term.
So far, the plan is the same that the one shown during the first dev blog on structures.
The interesting part however is that Outposts can be depreciated faster than Starbases, since they don't offer reactions. More details as we get them. |
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Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:34:09 -
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So you're entirely removing Small and Medium POSes. Bad move, small corps won't be able to settle as easily as before. And you're putting the BPO price at 6B instead of 500 millions for a Large POS (250 for a Medium, 125 for a Small.)
Nice way to tell part of the players "Get the **** out.", taking what we already have and demanding 6B (plus the prod cost \o/) to get it back. |
M3phistopheles
Oruze Cruise White Stag Exit Bag
3
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:34:20 -
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Quote:A Medium structure hull may be deployed from an Industrial, Large and X-Large require a freighter. Yes, we do are aware this make things more complicated to deploy a Large or X-Large structure in low class wormhole space. This is intended.
Why is it intended? |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
4346
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:36:33 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Are those research/copy times in minutes or in seconds? Can't seem to find anything online to clarify those units.
Seconds. If those were in minutes you would be waiting 1805 days to manufacture a X-L Citadel . |
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7822
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Posted - 2015.10.26 16:36:38 -
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Torgeir Hekard wrote:Saede Riordan wrote: CCPlease. Give us low-class wormholers so sort of break here. You're essentially saying that we'll need to build an otherwise completely useless freighter
The more interesting question is, how to build a freighter when there are no more towers. Also it also means that if you are invaded, the enemy has to build a freighter before he can build a citadel.
This is for larges specifically which is only important for the larger low class groups that have dozens of capitals needing to be stored. Mediums will be able to be brought in with transports, so an attacking group can just use medium citadels.
Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
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