These are going to be MASSIVE floating stations, so not letting you walk around them one day...

WIS has to be left for a future year and/or decade, when CCP has the funds they'd need to create detailed interior environments, with things to do inside, all without sacrificing ongoing development of the spaceship game. It probably needs to be a separate game, an expansion to Dust / Legion. EVE is spaceships.

More it has a complete lack of compelling game play reasons to be done.
Not a single thing people have suggested for it actually adds to gameplay, just pure fluff or in one or two cases pure griefing.

This is more of a thematic question...one I really don't expect a solid answer to, but it will be important once things are implemented.

Scale.

Right now, the system sizes...planet and moon diameters, and even NPC stations are laughably out of scale for how they compare to ships. You just need to zoom out completely to notice it. How are Citadels with their huge size going to compound this visual problem?

Some of the prelim artwork I am looking at will dwarf a lot of background celestials...or at the very least, continue to break the immersion of Eve.

Yes. This has been the case since the first devblog
You don't have to man them 23/7, only during your vulnerable windows (3 hours / wk for a M)

I assume this time is extended if the citadel is under attack? That means the enemy just needs to shoot now and then, extending the time, until some real life issue forces me log off.

This means that, for small or one man corps, a citadel is not a viable option. Note that the present POS is a viable option, because I can take it down during the 24 hour warm-up period of the war.

So my 2 isk,

Wormholers
IIRC the large citadel will be able to be set up/deployed by an Orca, (yes you need cargo rigs and expanders).
Now for most C2 and higher wh's you have a static that will allow said Orca to fit through the hole.
So whilst in a C1 you would need to build an Orca anything else is relatively easy to set the large up.
I personally don't see an issue here.

aside from the fact that somewhere they said this was an oversight (was a few pages back).. I expect it to be bumped up past Max Orca range of 105k

the one thing we aren't getting info on is what type of installation is required to construct it ...
will we be able to construct it inside a wormhole (put the BPC into the cooker and pop a citidel out) in an array - and if so what array will we be able to use
or will we have to haul it in via freighter or Jump freighter after constructing it in a NPC station(or outpost) in K-space

So I have this straight you are worried about something that hasn't happened,
I think it is more constructive to say "CCP we agree with the volumes of the citadels, thank you"
I for one agree with the currently selected volumes if in the case of this being an oversight well you still have tethering right?
It should be stated I have no issue with Capitals in C1-4 being.... punished. You want them? you'll find a way to build them.

In respect of creating the citadel, agreed no information yet however I would suggest that only stations (the one you dock at) will be the only thing capable of building them.

as a side note on construction - and I am just raising a point, not complaining is that if we are indeed forced to haul these in it needs to be mentioned that some c5/6 wormholes dont see 1/2way viable capital K-space connections for Weeks (and no Deep Null doesnt count) I feel if this is NOT Taken into account then this may indeed just become another "screw Wormholers" change

That is life in a WH. Where the isk loss of a Capitol is not really the problem. But getting more in and the fits.

However we knew that when we moved in. Running C5/C6 chains to find something or get something in is standard op for even the smallest of these corps (I have only me as an active person right now). Leroy a unfitted dread through 3 c5/c6 connections with a hyena for support. Well when stuff lands on grid, you get that PVP rush.....

agreed tho like I said ... this is a forced mechanic change with an unknown amount of time to adapt (we dont know how long PoS's will stay once citadels land)

I know we still have Months for all the rest of this information to come out but the sooner some Details are released... the sooner we can start preparing ....

tho in hindsight if I follow my own train of thought it becomes pretty obvious we wont be able to construct them inside holes

As a consideration for players living in null-security space, we are investing coming up with more ways to build such fuel block to reduce the logistic hassle to haul four types of isotopes around. For example, we are considering adding 4 more blueprints to build the new fuel block with one racial isotope instead of 4, but increasing the amount to compensate.

I also dont have an issue with caps in c1-4, I feel this will end up being an unintentional consequence of this change, I also feel that if they intend to stay with this model then caps that exist in Lower class wormholes NEED to be Reimbursed to the owning players as a change like this will end up forcing owners to eat a multi-billion cost asset because of a game change that was not even a Blip on their Radar when they were constructed

I beg you to not do this, please. This new fuel block gives you the perfect opportunity to encourage people to leave the overpopulated Caldari space and drive conflict between nullsec entities.
The more self-sufficiency you pump into nullsec space the less conflict there will be among stablished nullsec entities.
Also, having a standard fuel block that requires all 4 racial isotopes will drive miners to fill the other 3 empires and after the miners there will follow gankers and industrialists, then mission runners, explorers and PvPers.

When I was thinking about ways to make the 'Simon's Patterned' high sec, 4 isolated empires divided by low sec strips, viable, this new fuel block was literally extacly what I was thinking.

Hmmm I tend to remember we stated after shields were gone. You make me doubt because I can see some crazy module swapping game in combat. Let me double-check and come back at you on that one.

This is ridiculous. The fact that you spent X amount of money in the past, and that money is becoming moderately more inconvenient after a transition period of several months does not entitle you to reimbursement.

On the plus side, with blocks being forged from any type of racial ice, manufacturers of these blocks will drive demand for the "cheapest" tope flavors, increasing costs for all types of ice.

Double-checked, you won't be able to refit in combat. Also won't be able to change modules after shields are gone.

So which one is oversight? Do we need orca or freighter for large citadel?

Also have any thought been put on replacement mechanics for current moon coverage in WH as defense mechanics? I remember during Structure Town Hall there was discussions about it and some proposal from CCP side but nothing mentioned about it in blog or during presentation.

During presentation there was (very brief) slide that showed that RF in WH will be shorter, but it was very quick so I could not look at it and it was not mentioned by presenter at all (something something only 24h for second rf???) Could You elaborate on how current plans for RF are loking, especially in WH?

Also have any thought been put on probplem of trust, access to player hangars by directors? With poses (unless You use those stupid personal hangars) thief can only take what he can cary by himself, everything else is in corporate structures accessible by directors. With new citadels he have unlimited personal hangar to take everything from Your corp You gave access too. We in WH use shared ships in many situations (no reason for EVERY member to get for example a WH-collapsing BS when you only need few for entire corp, better to have corp accessible ones). A thief or a spy would need to take those ships one at a time, now he just scoops them all to his hangar.

PLEASE stop saying player "Stations" they are called OUTPOSTS

Normally, I wouldn't care but the difference between an outpost and a station kinda matters here and is causing a cubic fuckton of confusion

We will change the volume of the L Citadel to prevent Orcas to carry it around.

We will change the volume of the L Citadel to prevent Orcas to carry it around.

It should be noted that if you have caps in a c4, with the fact that all caps are getting all the magic hangers and the change that you can deploy from fleet hangers (Others?), you probably can deploy these from a capitol that is not a freighter.

Yep, 100% speculation there. But it is more fun that reading all the blogs. AmIRight.

And what about replacing Small and Medium POSes in-space storage and fitting abilities?