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Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:23:24 -
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Can we please get a feature added that allows the sharing of hangers between alts accounts?
I can't tell you the amount of times I have had a corp member ask me for a module or some other item and I say yes I have it but I need to log on my other toon and get it for you. I am sure I have wasted hundreds of hours just doing the item shuffle between toons. It would be nice if you could release access to your hanger to specific characters in game and that way they could take from and share items with each others hangers similar to corp hangers today, but without all the corp roles non-sense. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:29:31 -
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I'll take "what is a Corp hangar?" for $500
Better the Devil you know.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:32:43 -
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And I raise to a fleet hangar.
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Wolf Lafisques
Maraque Enterprises Just let it happen
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:39:10 -
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This feature already exists...  |

Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise Upholders
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Posted - 2015.11.02 22:19:02 -
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I've lived 100% out of POS's for about six months now with three accounts and literally never had this problem.... |

Nyalnara
The Unchained Club
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Posted - 2015.11.02 23:02:16 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I'll take "what is a Corp hangar?" for $500
And what if your alts are in different corps? Or if you're not the only one in your corp, and you can't get your own corp hangar as all are already used for something?
In case of ponies, keep calm and start running.
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Wolf Lafisques
Maraque Enterprises Just let it happen
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Posted - 2015.11.02 23:07:07 -
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Nyalnara wrote:And what if your alts are in different corps? Or if you're not the only one in your corp, and you can't get your own corp hangar as all are already used for something?
Manage your assets better, keep things in stock that you need, or stop being lazy and just switch characters, make a contract real quick, and switch back.
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Nyalnara
The Unchained Club
172
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Posted - 2015.11.03 00:05:09 -
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Wolf Lafisques wrote:Nyalnara wrote:And what if your alts are in different corps? Or if you're not the only one in your corp, and you can't get your own corp hangar as all are already used for something? Manage your assets better, keep things in stock that you need, or stop being lazy and just switch characters, make a contract real quick, and switch back. Well, that's already what i do, but i'd like for a bit more practicality... (Which is coming with structure, they're looking at a way to forcedrop things into someone else hangar without requiring approbation. Dunno how it's going to be done, but seems promising.)
In case of ponies, keep calm and start running.
French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.11.03 00:27:55 -
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Jettison??
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Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
262
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Posted - 2015.11.03 05:56:06 -
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You know, sharing hangers is the leading cause of the spread of space AIDS.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
43
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:19:28 -
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Nyalnara wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I'll take "what is a Corp hangar?" for $500 And what if your alts are in different corps? Or if you're not the only one in your corp, and you can't get your own corp hangar as all are already used for something?
You got that correct! Not to mention the problem with non director toons or just the pain in grant accesses and roles. It seems like it would be a really easy feature to add. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:33:52 -
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Why should your alts get special rights that other players don't have. EVE is about interacting with people, Alts should never receive special rights just because the same player is behind them. One game mechanic for everyone. |

Wolf Lafisques
Maraque Enterprises Just let it happen
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Posted - 2015.11.04 01:37:20 -
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I want to know why we should be able to get aid from offline characters. I don't think that items should be privately transferable between two characters without request and acceptance. Corp hangars are different. They're private, but only within the player's corp. Anyone who has permissions can get into the corp hangar. It's more of a community pot than a conduit between two characters that allows one player to access items on an offline or inactive account. |

Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2015.11.04 07:37:56 -
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I used to be a fan of this - but not in many of the ways people won't it, with the way EVE works.
Now - I could see an option added that allowed players to "link accounts" this would link all assets, mail, contact list, API etc.
Corporation spies would not want to use this - b/c corporation security officers could see all the characters linked to that players hanger. Having great power of access also needs to be overly open for security purposes. As a player with a few accounts and active played toons, in the same Corp, this would be a great benefit to me, as well to others. If I joined a Corp with one and left my accounts linked or linked them afterward it would notify the CEO/director/Recruiter person.
If you want something this powerful, you have to be willing to make sacrifices of equal or greater value.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
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Wolf Lafisques
Maraque Enterprises Just let it happen
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:53:22 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:I used to be a fan of this - but not in many of the ways people won't it, with the way EVE works.
Now - I could see an option added that allowed players to "link accounts" this would link all assets, mail, contact list, API etc.
Corporation spies would not want to use this - b/c corporation security officers could see all the characters linked to that players hanger. Having great power of access also needs to be overly open for security purposes. As a player with a few accounts and active played toons, in the same Corp, this would be a great benefit to me, as well to others. If I joined a Corp with one and left my accounts linked or linked them afterward it would notify the CEO/director/Recruiter person.
If you want something this powerful, you have to be willing to make sacrifices of equal or greater value.
This actually doesn't sound like a bad compromise. The only issue is that it provides an option, which means that players can still have spy accounts and asset sharing could still be exploited. |

Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
43
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:45:18 -
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Wolf Lafisques wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:I used to be a fan of this - but not in many of the ways people won't it, with the way EVE works.
Now - I could see an option added that allowed players to "link accounts" this would link all assets, mail, contact list, API etc.
Corporation spies would not want to use this - b/c corporation security officers could see all the characters linked to that players hanger. Having great power of access also needs to be overly open for security purposes. As a player with a few accounts and active played toons, in the same Corp, this would be a great benefit to me, as well to others. If I joined a Corp with one and left my accounts linked or linked them afterward it would notify the CEO/director/Recruiter person.
If you want something this powerful, you have to be willing to make sacrifices of equal or greater value.
This actually doesn't sound like a bad compromise. The only issue is that it provides an option, which means that players can still have spy accounts and asset sharing could still be exploited.
I really don't understand the not wanting this ability. Everything against it people said they don't like the capability already exists in the game as it is today in EVE. You can trade all your items and isk between all your accounts and all your toons. However, the interface is just a real pain in the but and a waste of time. Either having toons in station together either trading or using the private contract system to pass items and using "Give ISK" to trade money.
All that exists. All I want to do it make it easier for you to be able to do that without all the trading and market interfaces. Not adding any additional API intel feature or ability to be able to hand off to Corp/Alliance. Basically you would submit all your information for the accounts linking them so CCP knows what you are the owner of all the toons and accounts. Then all the toons hangers would be viewable and accessible by any other toon linked in this way.
Not asking for anything "powerful" just an easier method to do what I can already do. Just without having to us "Give ISK", Contracts and Trading interfaces. |

Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2015.11.04 22:33:05 -
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Styphon the Black wrote:Wolf Lafisques wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:I used to be a fan of this - but not in many of the ways people won't it, with the way EVE works.
Now - I could see an option added that allowed players to "link accounts" this would link all assets, mail, contact list, API etc.
Corporation spies would not want to use this - b/c corporation security officers could see all the characters linked to that players hanger. Having great power of access also needs to be overly open for security purposes. As a player with a few accounts and active played toons, in the same Corp, this would be a great benefit to me, as well to others. If I joined a Corp with one and left my accounts linked or linked them afterward it would notify the CEO/director/Recruiter person.
If you want something this powerful, you have to be willing to make sacrifices of equal or greater value.
This actually doesn't sound like a bad compromise. The only issue is that it provides an option, which means that players can still have spy accounts and asset sharing could still be exploited. I really don't understand the not wanting this ability. Everything against it people said they don't like the capability already exists in the game as it is today in EVE. You can trade all your items and isk between all your accounts and all your toons. However, the interface is just a real pain in the but and a waste of time. Either having toons in station together either trading or using the private contract system to pass items and using "Give ISK" to trade money. All that exists. All I want to do it make it easier for you to be able to do that without all the trading and market interfaces. Not adding any additional API intel feature or ability to be able to hand off to Corp/Alliance. Basically you would submit all your information for the accounts linking them so CCP knows what you are the owner of all the toons and accounts. Then all the toons hangers would be viewable and accessible by any other toon linked in this way. Not asking for anything "powerful" just an easier method to do what I can already do. Just without having to us "Give ISK", Contracts and Trading interfaces.
@ Wolf - people will have spy accounts, but this compromise allows easier security for Corporations and Alliances to find those spies. Spies will have to work harder - or make longer trails.
@ Styphon - it isn't that people have an issue with this sharing ability. People have an issue with the level of abuse that could happen. You seem to be lacking experience in the way EVE players are. They will find every loop hole, exploit, and backdoor! For players to have the option to link accounts, there has to be a checks and balance system. You as a player have multiple accounts you want link - guess what - you have to allow anyone who has your API to know that you have linked hangers. Checks and balances.
There are thousands of players who would use them function fairly - but there are also thousands who would use this to **** everyone else over. Including people you know and trust.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
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Raquel Saissore
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2015.11.04 22:44:03 -
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Styphon the Black wrote:Nyalnara wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I'll take "what is a Corp hangar?" for $500 And what if your alts are in different corps? Or if you're not the only one in your corp, and you can't get your own corp hangar as all are already used for something? You got that correct! Not to mention the problem with non director toons or just the pain in grant accesses and roles. It seems like it would be a really easy feature to add.
Having spoken to CCP devs about this topic, it's really not simple, and it won't be getting added any time soon I am afraid.
I can't quote it, as apparently thats banworthy :) |

Do Little
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
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Posted - 2015.11.04 22:58:05 -
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If you and your alts are in the same player corporation get a secure station container in a corp hanger and give all the alts rights to access that container.
If you are not all in the same corp, anchor a giant secure container somewhere in space and use it to share stuff.
If your alts are on different accounts, you can station trade
If they are on the same account, use an item exchange contract.
There are many ways to solve the problem.
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Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:52:39 -
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You guys are really complicating something very simple.
All that would need to be added it a "Link Account Page" on the "Account Management" section of the EVE website. You would input the User Name and Passwords of all the accounts you have and hit submit. Just have an "Add Account" button and it gives you two new fields for each additional account. You would then verify this by doing the same thing in with the other accounts. That is how verification of who owns what accounts (and toons associated with those accounts).
Then in game no every linked toon can see and has access to take from and put item in every other linked toons hanger. Problem solved.
This would be very easy to do.
No API or other weird abusive methods. You could not exploit this because you would have to have the account user name and password. Which means if you already had someone else's user name and password you could exploit them regardless of this ability.
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Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:54:51 -
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Styphon the Black wrote:You guys are really complicating something very simple.
All that would need to be added it a "Link Account Page" on the "Account Management" section of the EVE website. You would input the User Name and Passwords of all the accounts you have and hit submit. Just have an "Add Account" button and it gives you two new fields for each additional account. You would then verify this by doing the same thing in with the other accounts. That is how verification of who owns what accounts (and toons associated with those accounts).
Then in game now every linked toon can see and has access to take from and put item in every other linked toons hanger. Problem solved.
This would be very easy to do.
No API or other weird abusive methods. You could not exploit this because you would have to have the account user name and password. Which means if you already had someone else's user name and password you could exploit them regardless of this ability. That sounds like a terrible idea.
I say if you are going to support this idea, go all the way. Let people share hangars with complete strangers if they want.
What could possibly go wrong? 
The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
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Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:07:53 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Styphon the Black wrote:You guys are really complicating something very simple.
All that would need to be added it a "Link Account Page" on the "Account Management" section of the EVE website. You would input the User Name and Passwords of all the accounts you have and hit submit. Just have an "Add Account" button and it gives you two new fields for each additional account. You would then verify this by doing the same thing in with the other accounts. That is how verification of who owns what accounts (and toons associated with those accounts).
Then in game now every linked toon can see and has access to take from and put item in every other linked toons hanger. Problem solved.
This would be very easy to do.
No API or other weird abusive methods. You could not exploit this because you would have to have the account user name and password. Which means if you already had someone else's user name and password you could exploit them regardless of this ability. That sounds like a terrible idea. I say if you are going to support this idea, go all the way. Let people share hangars with complete strangers if they want. What could possibly go wrong? 
The only person that you are sharing your hangers with is you. You sharing your hanger with yourself.
Now if a person gives away their account USER Name and Password to someone else, that is on them. However, the ability to link hangers wouldn't give any more ability to steal from that person than you already have if you know someone else's User Name and Password.
There really isn't any "new" ability with this suggestion. Just an easier interface to be able to swap items between your toons. |

Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
378
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:11:22 -
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Styphon the Black wrote:The only person that you are sharing your hangers with is you. You sharing your hanger with yourself. Why should a player with alts get an advantage that two separate players would not?
The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
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Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Apocalypse Now.
147
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:20:40 -
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Styphon the Black wrote:You guys are really complicating something very simple.
All that would need to be added it a "Link Account Page" on the "Account Management" section of the EVE website. You would input the User Name and Passwords of all the accounts you have and hit submit. Just have an "Add Account" button and it gives you two new fields for each additional account. You would then verify this by doing the same thing in with the other accounts. That is how verification of who owns what accounts (and toons associated with those accounts).
Then in game now every linked toon can see and has access to take from and put item in every other linked toons hanger. Problem solved.
This would be very easy to do.
No API or other weird abusive methods. You could not exploit this because you would have to have the account user name and password. Which means if you already had someone else's user name and password you could exploit them regardless of this ability.
You are missing the point on the abuse...
Prime example of a possible abuse/exploit
Here I have gone and snuck into a Providence Block Alliance - I meet the people, I build trust and I work my way up the ranks. Now, I have shared hangers and Providence is NRDS, (Not red don't shoot). Under the linked accounts, with no security of APIs etc, I could steal every blooming thing I get my hands on, and slap it in a hanger for another toon, who is neut or blue via being in another Providence Block Alliance.
All my Alliance mates would see is that I took all their stuff. I would then have an easy time setting my medical clone to my NPC starter station, and let them clean clone me home. And they, the players in the alliance and collation are none the wiser that they still have spies, which are then capable to easily sneak the stuff out or sell it for ISK.
---Having this shared hangers overly simplifies the possibility of abuse.
---You have to have checks and balances dude. Yeah, It might only be my accounts linked - but all my accounts are in the same corp. What if your a player who purposely has like 30 accounts, just for the sole purpose of spying and stealing from other players, you just made it supper easy for them, because with out the information being supplied via API to corp leaders and security officers, on who is sharing hangers with whom, you'd see a massive drop in large corps b/c they wouldn't be able to trust anyone. And trust in EVE is all ready a thin and nearly dead subject.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1548
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:58:43 -
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I think I get it !!!
My one account got busted for RMT and all my accounts got banned and frozen. I'm over at my neighbor's house, made a new account from a different IP and now I want to share all my banned RMT account hagar stuff w/ my new non banned character.
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Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
44
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Posted - 2015.11.05 18:23:53 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:Styphon the Black wrote:You guys are really complicating something very simple.
All that would need to be added it a "Link Account Page" on the "Account Management" section of the EVE website. You would input the User Name and Passwords of all the accounts you have and hit submit. Just have an "Add Account" button and it gives you two new fields for each additional account. You would then verify this by doing the same thing in with the other accounts. That is how verification of who owns what accounts (and toons associated with those accounts).
Then in game now every linked toon can see and has access to take from and put item in every other linked toons hanger. Problem solved.
This would be very easy to do.
No API or other weird abusive methods. You could not exploit this because you would have to have the account user name and password. Which means if you already had someone else's user name and password you could exploit them regardless of this ability. You are missing the point on the abuse... Prime example of a possible abuse/exploit Here I have gone and snuck into a Providence Block Alliance - I meet the people, I build trust and I work my way up the ranks. Now, I have shared hangers and Providence is NRDS, (Not red don't shoot). Under the linked accounts, with no security of APIs etc, I could steal every blooming thing I get my hands on, and slap it in a hanger for another toon, who is neut or blue via being in another Providence Block Alliance. All my Alliance mates would see is that I took all their stuff. I would then have an easy time setting my medical clone to my NPC starter station, and let them clean clone me home. And they, the players in the alliance and collation are none the wiser that they still have spies, which are then capable to easily sneak the stuff out or sell it for ISK. ---Having this shared hangers overly simplifies the possibility of abuse. ---You have to have checks and balances dude. Yeah, It might only be my accounts linked - but all my accounts are in the same corp. What if your a player who purposely has like 30 accounts, just for the sole purpose of spying and stealing from other players, you just made it supper easy for them, because with out the information being supplied via API to corp leaders and security officers, on who is sharing hangers with whom, you'd see a massive drop in large corps b/c they wouldn't be able to trust anyone. And trust in EVE is all ready a thin and nearly dead subject.
Lol...you do know you can actually do this today? Linking accounts doesn't change anything. Everything you just complained or worried about you can do in EVE right now. I can do the same thing today with the tools EVE gives me. It is called "Trade" and "Contracts" or I can just take it dump it in a container or jettison it and have an alt pick it up.
This is no more exploit or abuse or ability to steal or spy than exists today. It would just be easier to move things around if you added linked accounts your accounts. That is all.
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