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Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:17:00 - [31] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 05/01/2007 10:17:47 People are exploiting labslots due to a "Game Mechanic" which will let people skip the queue with some clever management with useless bpo's - which in turn is why these queues will only get bigger. All CCP need to do is this Fix public slots on Mobile Labslots so the public can use them - Boom, problem solved and research corps would gain more business --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
subvert	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:25:00 - [32] there arent enough ME labs plain and simple. more need to be added to compensate with the increased population
Miss Mickey	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:31:00 - [33] I wonder how many POS lab owners have lots of their own BPOS tied up in the station slots for weeks at a time, making their business more in demand? just a thought.... :)
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:38:00 - [34] IMHO No need to add more research slots in empire. Don't be lazy and anchor your POS. If there's money for a semi-decent BPO, there should be money for a POS. Next ppl will ask for NPC stations to sell the BPOs researched already :S
ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:40:00 - [35] I think that we should get more research slots in Empire. If you are in a corp already you cant set a POS up for yourself so if you wanted to do some personal research and you dont have the right permissions in your corp (btw good luck getting them). The major problem with renting out research slots is that its too risky. The corp with the slots could wait till you pay him then just take your bpo anyways. They could also forget to feed their tower, get wardecced. I dont think many people will take their 5000mil BPOs to some corps pos to get research. I think it would be fair to add more ME slots in Empire, but charge per level. So me 1 may only cost 1k per hr, but me20 would cost 20kper hour. And me 100would cost 100k per hour. Also have a maximum time a BP can be put in for (like a week or so) then the researcher must put the BP back into research if he wants the research to continue. This makes it so even if someone can afford the exorbitant cost of me 100, they still have to manage the bp at least once a week. And theres always the chance that someone else could get that bp slot, and you have to wait on them. You could also make it so that you can only do so many research jobs in empire, and give a bonus to how many jobs you can to at POSes. To promote corps to do their research in poses, instead of taking up all of the empire slots. Male it so corps cant do me research in empire or something. I don't have a problem with authority... ...as long as it doesn't get in my way.
subvert	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:44:00 - [36] waiting a month to research is just boring and not needed
Adam Reed	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:46:00 - [37] You want more ME slots "in Empire"? Bear in mind that "Empire" is also 0.1-0.4 systems, and you already have plenty of slots around if you look hard enough. Just how easy do you want this game to be? If it's made too easy then where's the fun when you eventually find your own sound money-making enterprise, that no-one else knows about? Something I'm yet to do, incidentally. And to the OP, regarding having no wish to fly through PVP zones with expensive BPOs...you'd be surprised just how many blueprints you can fit in a shuttle, which are not all that easy to lock and hit in low sec, to the extent that a lot of PVPers don't bother with shuttles. That's my experience at least. ------------- "I don't mean to sound cruel or harsh, but I am, so that's how it comes out."
Fivor R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:46:00 - [38] There is a 30 Max run time already -- BIG Lottery Eve Search
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:53:00 - [39] What .. i read 500 Mil BPO and pay for research? Do any T2 BPO holdre really doesn't have a pos? If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
coolzero Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:00:00 - [40] i rather have some BPO copy times reduced :P cant wait to get some hulk BPC for 20 mill a piece :) Jack of all trades, master of none... Horizon-Inc (dutch only)
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:19:00 - [41] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 05/01/2007 11:19:48 Originally by: Shameless Avenger IMHO No need to add more research slots in empire. Don't be lazy and anchor your POS. If there's money for a semi-decent BPO, there should be money for a POS. Next ppl will ask for NPC stations to sell the BPOs researched already :S Mobile POS labs are bugged. They only work if 1. You have a corp office 2. You have the appropriate Corp roles 3. BPO is in corp hanger 4. You have Scientific Networking as appropriate 5. Your corp is the one that Phycically anchored it - Public slots are bugged so the public cannot use them. Now lets say someone had a cerb bpo and all the local low sec nearby had full labslots, and yes many low sec systems as as bad as empire atm. Now if you dont do the above - you have to give your cerb bpo to someone who does and pray he does not steal it - or you leave your corp everytime you want to research it and setup a 1 man corp for this purpose? All CCP need to do is FIX the mobile labslots so anyone with Scientific Networking can use them. I mean, its not rocket science and every research corp that is not a scam wants this as well - There are hundreds of free labslots in research corps that are public but nobody can use them due to this bug that existed since RMR began! Oh - And in the mean time - The New Labslot "Game Mechanic" means that anyone can skip the queue in any station with enough advance notice. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Lord WarATron Mobile POS labs are bugged. They only work if 1. You have a corp office 2. You have the appropriate Corp roles 3. BPO is in corp hanger 4. You have Scientific Networking as appropriate 5. Your corp is the one that Phycically anchored it - Public slots are bugged so the public cannot use them. It's not bugged, is intended to be that way. Also, you don't really need the corp office, or the corp hangar, or the scientific networking... you could just fly to the lab and place the BPO there. ATM, I don't want the public using my POS lab slots, at any price. Not until the "canceled-job" problem is fixed. I don't want my slots queued up for months as the NPC are. It's more work? yeah... but like I said before, don't be lazy
subvert	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:37:00 - [43] POS isnt an option because POS is corp-wide. you cant make your own personal small POS.
ArmagedonLT Amarr Blood Sweat and Tears	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:38:00 - [44] tbh, jita is much more dangerous than a low-sec or 0.0 if u have something nice in your cargo
Isac Hands	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:46:00 - [45] Message from lab staff: Your ME research attempt would take your BPO's wastage factor below 0.001% which is not possible. Job denied. Problem solved.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:52:00 - [46] Originally by: subvert POS isnt an option because POS is corp-wide. you cant make your own personal small POS. But you can make your own small corp. One reason why personal POSes is not a logical way to go? Even with a small Gallente Control Tower, you can have 3 mobile labs... That's 9 ME slots, 9 PE slots, 3 Copy and 15 Invention (36 slots total). The max labs you can operate with Laboratory Operation at level 5 and Advance Laboratory Operation at Level 5 is 11 slots. So even if you could set up a personal POS you won't be able to use it fully. You NEED more people, even if they are your own alts.
Xcom Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:10:00 - [47] From what I know there is lab skill and adv lab skill that prevent you from installing more than 12 or so maximum lab slots. If station had hundreds of ME slots it would be possible to research ME as high as you wanted to without disturbing others. Also invention requires high ME / PE / Run levels for better T2 BPC results. So adding ME / PE / Copy slots or making it possible for infinite slots wouldnÆt be a bad idea. I donÆt really see why not. Other than people nagging about POS labs, witch is a pain for some people to operate. I donÆt see what purpose it serves to be forced to move around to find slots for BPOÆs. Poses are not some small toys. They cost a lot and are a pain to operate.
ghoststalkertr	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:15:00 - [48] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: subvert POS isnt an option because POS is corp-wide. you cant make your own personal small POS. But you can make your own small corp. One reason why personal POSes is not a logical way to go? Even with a small Gallente Control Tower, you can have 3 mobile labs... That's 9 ME slots, 9 PE slots, 3 Copy and 15 Invention (36 slots total). The max labs you can operate with Laboratory Operation at level 5 and Advance Laboratory Operation at Level 5 is 11 slots. So even if you could set up a personal POS you won't be able to use it fully. You NEED more people, even if they are your own alts. You fail to see the point, alot of us are in corps. We need to be able to set them up privarely so we can research our own stuff. not everybody needs their own personal corp. ME research needs to be accessible to everyone to at least try. How it goes now if someone wanted to just try out research it would take 2 weeks, if they got lucky. The fact is simple we need to have more slots. And the slots need to be made so that people cant put in Bps for long periods of time. (exceeding a week).
Tanis Bastar Caldari Interstitial Incorporated	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Adam Reed You want more ME slots "in Empire"? Bear in mind that "Empire" is also 0.1-0.4 systems, and you already have plenty of slots around if you look hard enough. If CCP doesn't want to add more ME slots in NPC stations that's fine, but then they need to fix things so that POS slots can be rented out to non-corp members in a secure manner. And in my experience it is simply not true that there are "plenty of slots" in low sec stations. I live in a very sparsely populated part of low sec and usually all of the stations here have a twenty to forty day wait.
Emo Jelli	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:18:00 - [50] Quote: ME research needs to be accessible to everyone to at least try. No it doesn't. It needs to be made more inaccessible to promote the Researcher profession. Emo JelliÖ¡¡ - Foodstuff for the Emotionally Unstable
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:37:00 - [51] Originally by: ghoststalkertr You fail to see the point, alot of us are in corps. We need to be able to set them up privarely so we can research our own stuff. not everybody needs their own personal corp. ME research needs to be accessible to everyone to at least try. How it goes now if someone wanted to just try out research it would take 2 weeks, if they got lucky. The fact is simple we need to have more slots. And the slots need to be made so that people cant put in Bps for long periods of time. (exceeding a week). I don't fail to see your point. I just disagree with it. Research is a profesion, it does not have to be available to anyone. And about the time you have to wait for the research, the 2 weeks (or any ammount of time you wish), that's nothing compared to all the skills you need to train to be able to manufacture something in a profitable way. It takes around a month just to get production efficiency to level 5. And that's only the tip of the iceberg.
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:23:00 - [52] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 05/01/2007 15:24:28 Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Lord WarATron Mobile POS labs are bugged. They only work if 1. You have a corp office 2. You have the appropriate Corp roles 3. BPO is in corp hanger 4. You have Scientific Networking as appropriate 5. Your corp is the one that Phycically anchored it - Public slots are bugged so the public cannot use them. It's not bugged, is intended to be that way. Also, you don't really need the corp office, or the corp hangar, or the scientific networking... you could just fly to the lab and place the BPO there. ATM, I don't want the public using my POS lab slots, at any price. Not until the "canceled-job" problem is fixed. I don't want my slots queued up for months as the NPC are. It's more work? yeah... but like I said before, don't be lazy Ok - So what you are suggesting, is the Joe Bloggs with the Cerb BPO, will search via the science button and find some free lablots that are labled "Public" - I.E not the ones you restrict to yourself, but the Public ones, and somehow find your pos, then bypass your pos shield and install it without following the rules such as being in your corp etc etc? Dude, its a bug. A Known bug - Heck even if you are in the same corp - You cannot use POS labs from station unless you dump it in the corp hanger and pray for no corp thefts! This bug has existed for a year and has not been fixed - This bug Screwes over research corps as well as people wanting to use labslots. The only alternative is for the user to use a "Game Mechanic" to skip station labslot queues, at the expense of screwing over genuine folks. I cannot think of any reason why someone would firstly make a POS labslot public and not want customers! --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.01.06 08:30:00 - [53] Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 06/01/2007 08:27:43 Originally by: Lord WarATron Ok - So what you are suggesting, is the Joe Bloggs with the Cerb BPO, will search via the science button and find some free lablots that are labled "Public" - I.E not the ones you restrict to yourself, but the Public ones, and somehow find your pos, then bypass your pos shield and install it without following the rules such as being in your corp etc etc? No Clueless poster. I'm sugesting that if you won a cerb BPO, create a corp, anchor your POS and research it there. Use an alt if you want to remain in your current corp. If you have a cerb BPO you should have the money for all this. And it's not a bug that you can't queue a personal job. The POS is a corp wide effort and all jobs are placed in behalf of the corp. So it makes sense that it's restricted to corp hangar. Edited, cuz I forgot something. And I meant you could fly to your own POS, not to mine.
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2007.01.06 09:31:00 - [54] the new tier 3 bs arent needed to do more than ME 5 then u really dont save much after that... ps. pos ME takes a lot less time than in stations.. so get those poses up.
Gudrun Hart	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:42:00 - [55] i was thinking the same - more players more Slots should be available. But on the other hand we have the POS, low sec and empire. And thats a new business, resarching Corps. . I think its maybe good how it is, just because it make sense to work for a empire POS. Setup a small tower with 3 Labs and you have 9 ME Slots.
Dark Guardian	Posted - 2007.01.07 00:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Lord WarATron {snip}The only alternative is for the user to use a "Game Mechanic" to skip station labslot queues, at the expense of screwing over genuine folks. {snip} You keep saying that it's possible to skip labslot queues through some unknown (to me) "Game Mechanic". I doubt that's the case. Do you have any screenshots, or a description of how this "Game Mechanic" is used? Are you certain that it hasn't been fixed between the time you used it, and now? Just wondering.
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:22:00 - [57] Originally by: Dark Guardian Originally by: Lord WarATron {snip}The only alternative is for the user to use a "Game Mechanic" to skip station labslot queues, at the expense of screwing over genuine folks. {snip} You keep saying that it's possible to skip labslot queues through some unknown (to me) "Game Mechanic". I doubt that's the case. Do you have any screenshots, or a description of how this "Game Mechanic" is used? Are you certain that it hasn't been fixed between the time you used it, and now? Just wondering. Overload a stations labslots with useless bpos and remove them when you want a real bpo in to research. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:34:00 - [58] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 06/01/2007 08:27:43 Originally by: Lord WarATron Ok - So what you are suggesting, is the Joe Bloggs with the Cerb BPO, will search via the science button and find some free lablots that are labled "Public" - I.E not the ones you restrict to yourself, but the Public ones, and somehow find your pos, then bypass your pos shield and install it without following the rules such as being in your corp etc etc? No Clueless poster. I'm sugesting that if you won a cerb BPO, create a corp, anchor your POS and research it there. Use an alt if you want to remain in your current corp. If you have a cerb BPO you should have the money for all this. And it's not a bug that you can't queue a personal job. The POS is a corp wide effort and all jobs are placed in behalf of the corp. So it makes sense that it's restricted to corp hangar. Edited, cuz I forgot something. And I meant you could fly to your own POS, not to mine. Then whats the point of Public slots if they dont work for the Public? Even if you made a 1 man corp to join the alliance, and dump the BPO in your hanger, you would still get hit with some pos bugs if you try to copy the bpo. Its a bug mate. It is a known bug, and with all POS bugs, it will take forever for CCP to fix. Perhaps next year they will work as intended. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Terminus adacai Caldari Mintaka Mining Inc	Posted - 2007.01.08 11:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Achoo Blessyou Or just pay someone to put the BPO in their lab for you. There are plenty of people like me who charge a couple of million a week for this service, so there really is no need for added NPC slots. If you offer 100% collateral, yeah, that is considerable. With recently publicized research scams, simply handing over prints and crossing your fingers no longer works. As for the amount of ME research on some prints, people are permited to be stupid. I have seen Frigate BPO's researched to ME:110. Why?
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.08 12:00:00 - [60] Originally by: Terminus adacai As for the amount of ME research on some prints, people are permited to be stupid. I have seen Frigate BPO's researched to ME:110. Why? Microwave S have a perfect ME of 0. Yet people have 10 of these in labslots with each of their alts to reserve the slots for when a real BPO needs to go in. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE

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