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Takahashi Arran
coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2007.01.02 12:58:00 -
[31]
nah there is only one logical explanation cleary DBP is kugutsmen's alt or vice versa
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.02 12:58:00 -
[32]
Originally by: OozoO
Originally by: Omega Man That would be funny to imagine that.
then I gotta say respect to bob for taking down their forums for several days - even their TS and IRC Channels :)
So which corp is going to be kicked from D2?
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Eponine Astarte
Industrial Holdings Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:06:00 -
[33]
Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 02/01/2007 12:56:28 If it was an SQL backup of the entire forum database then that really narrows your search dude and any genuine intel provider wouldn't relinquish such information on the source (as if it is true, you've prolly just shafted them).
If he did have the entire SQL database, then why not just grab the origional post and remove any doubt?
This is the same genius who spent over $100 trying to get access to Goonfleet's forums by purchasing multiple Something Awful accounts. You almost can't blame him for resorting to this given how much real life cash he has already blown trying to get his wannabe spy agency up and running.
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Kugutsumen
Fountain Liberation Front
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:06:00 -
[34]
Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 02/01/2007 12:56:28 If it was an SQL backup of the entire forum database then that really narrows your search dude and any genuine intel provider wouldn't relinquish such information on the source (as if it is true, you've prolly just shafted them).
If he did have the entire SQL database, then why not just grab the origional post and remove any doubt?
This is so easy to fake mate, there is one thing that makes me wonder as to how it may be true and that is, i get the distinct impression you don't like bob yet such a post like this actually aids them.
It creates mistrust amongst D2, a potential enemy to BoB, and does nothing but make bob look like they've pulled off probably the biggest coup this year (already?! :D). Unless it was your intention to cause amonosity between BoB and D2, if that was the case your p***ing into a sea there mate. 
Ok just wait for next 2 blog posts :). -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war" |

SirMolle
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:10:00 -
[35]
Happy New Year Gaius.
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Lou Cypher
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:24:00 -
[36]
Hard enough trying to have a good fight without all this Drama and intrique
Play more Eve Spam less forum 
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:25:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Kugutsumen
Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 02/01/2007 12:56:28 If it was an SQL backup of the entire forum database then that really narrows your search dude and any genuine intel provider wouldn't relinquish such information on the source (as if it is true, you've prolly just shafted them).
If he did have the entire SQL database, then why not just grab the origional post and remove any doubt?
This is so easy to fake mate, there is one thing that makes me wonder as to how it may be true and that is, i get the distinct impression you don't like bob yet such a post like this actually aids them.
It creates mistrust amongst D2, a potential enemy to BoB, and does nothing but make bob look like they've pulled off probably the biggest coup this year (already?! :D). Unless it was your intention to cause amonosity between BoB and D2, if that was the case your p***ing into a sea there mate. 
Ok just wait for next 2 blog posts :).
Don't take so long this time, please, the lst time you said you'd drop something great "this evening"... which turned out to be nearly a week.
Poor effort.
Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
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Noveron
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:26:00 -
[38]
Originally by: SirMolle Happy New Year Gaius.
Gaius Baltar? (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/cast/baltar/)
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:26:00 -
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And, answer this please, credibility requires it:
Originally by: Galavet There is only three ways you could have a copy of private mail between me and DBP.
1) DBP or I gave you a screen shot 2) You Fabricated the mail 3) You hacked the forum using a phpbb exploit.
Now tell the Eve public, which is it? Your credibility is on the line.
Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:29:00 -
[40]
lol, shooting yourself in the leg 4tw ?
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Acwron
Minmatar Cataclysm Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic And, answer this please, credibility requires it:
Originally by: Galavet There is only three ways you could have a copy of private mail between me and DBP.
1) DBP or I gave you a screen shot 2) You Fabricated the mail 3) You hacked the forum using a phpbb exploit.
Now tell the Eve public, which is it? Your credibility is on the line.
Actually I think your (as read BoB/Galavets) credibility is at stake. Not so much his...
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Kugutsumen
Fountain Liberation Front
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:35:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Acwron
Originally by: Dianabolic And, answer this please, credibility requires it:
Originally by: Galavet There is only three ways you could have a copy of private mail between me and DBP.
1) DBP or I gave you a screen shot 2) You Fabricated the mail 3) You hacked the forum using a phpbb exploit.
Now tell the Eve public, which is it? Your credibility is on the line.
Actually I think your (as read BoB/Galavets) credibility is at stake. Not so much his...
read my new blog post for credibility. again I have to stress this everything that I post is just teaser and freebies... the valuable intel I keep for my friends and paying customers.
Note to BoB, please stop petitioning me, I have incriminating evidences on a dozen of your members that could get them banned so let's stay civil.
-- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war" |

Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron
Originally by: Dianabolic And, answer this please, credibility requires it:
Originally by: Galavet There is only three ways you could have a copy of private mail between me and DBP.
1) DBP or I gave you a screen shot 2) You Fabricated the mail 3) You hacked the forum using a phpbb exploit.
Now tell the Eve public, which is it? Your credibility is on the line.
Actually I think your (as read BoB/Galavets) credibility is at stake. Not so much his...
Why's that? as i read it;
1. dbp or galavet is a spy 2. he fabricated the screens 3. he hacked the forum and will probably get the cops after him.
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Galavet
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron
Actually I think your (as read BoB/Galavets) credibility is at stake. Not so much his...
Are you so desperate for an edge Acwron, that you could actually breeze right past what I have posed and say that itÆs my credibility on the line? Would you overlook a possible, or better yet, blatant hacker in order to take a shot at me?
I think you are indeed a desperate man Acwron if this is true.
Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO |

Acwron
Minmatar Cataclysm Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:07:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Acwron on 02/01/2007 14:07:57
Originally by: Galavet
Originally by: Acwron
Actually I think your (as read BoB/Galavets) credibility is at stake. Not so much his...
Are you so desperate for an edge Acwron, that you could actually breeze right past what I have posed and say that itÆs my credibility on the line? Would you overlook a possible, or better yet, blatant hacker in order to take a shot at me? [...]
Considering the intel was leaked by an alt without any credibility in the first place his isn't on the line. (You can't lose something you don't have)
BoB try to convey on the forums that the have a credibility. BoBs is on the line in thesense that they need to use (multiple) separate accounts breaking the immersion in order to gain an edge against D2 how according to BoB are no threat at all (at least a smaller than ASCN (see like 10 threads in the past weeks)).
PS: Hacking (if it happended) isn't OK either just to be clear here.
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oil
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:12:00 -
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no matter if thats true or not.
d2 and all other entities which ma confront bob in the future shopuld recognise, that their spies and people in our alliance which suddenl put our pos offline, which reveal ts comands in realtime to the enmy fleet will do as much damage to your morale as lost battles will.
if u cant trust your fellow alliance pilots anymore the fight is over then already.
how do you think the combinationn of such events together with the superior use of gamemechanics by bob (log in after nodecrash) worked on ascn? tht blows any fighting spirit your pilots may have.
my guess is, that bob has 10 or more spies in d2 and other northern alliances worming their way up to positions since years where they can do damage.
dont think that you can have an equal number of our own people infiltrate bob because of their different recruitment policy. no idea why would anbody join them though. who wants eve in easmode? but make no mistake bob will have a great advantage over you concerning spies and traitors from day one of the conflict.
make our preparations with this in mind. for instance let not hold onl one corp pos for souverainity in station systems.
using such methods in abundance together (whatever ou say it involves lieing out of game in every single case.)with their forum behavior makes bob so disgusting for me.
arjun
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Logan Feynman
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:13:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Logan Feynman on 02/01/2007 14:13:24
Originally by: Kugutsumen
Note to BoB, please stop petitioning me, I have incriminating evidences on a dozen of your members that could get them banned so let's stay civil.
This is about as low as it gets. Please, if you have evidence of any BoB players performing a bannable breach of EULA, you owe it to the community to have the offenders banned.
And as far as your posting of forum warnings in your blog is concerned, when you appear such a stickler for rules:
Originally by: Terms of service
17. You may not publish private communications from CCP, Siminn, their agents or representatives or EVE Online volunteers without authorization.
I suppose you have that authorisation?
Thank you. Thank you very much.
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searchi
tiberian suns
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: searchi on 02/01/2007 14:17:59 Edited by: searchi on 02/01/2007 14:16:19 Edited by: searchi on 02/01/2007 14:15:18 no matter if thats true or not.
d2 and all other entities which ma confront bob in the future should recognise, that their spies and people in your alliance which suddenly put your pos offline, which reveal ts comands in realtime to the enmy fleet will do as much damage to your morale as lost battles will.
if u cant trust your fellow alliance pilots anymore the fight is over then already.
how do you think the combinationn of such events together with the superior use of gamemechanics by bob (log in after nodecrash) worked on ascn? that blows any fighting spirit your pilots may have.
my guess is, that bob has 10 or more spies in d2 and other northern alliances worming their way up to positions since years where they can do damage.
dont think that you can have an equal number of your own people infiltrate bob because of their different recruitment policy. no idea why would anbody join them though. who wants eve in easymode? but make no mistake bob will have a great advantage over you concerning spies and traitors from day one of the conflict.
make your preparations with this in mind. for instance let not hold only one corp pos for souverainity in station systems.
using such methods in abundance together (whatever ou say it involves lieing out of game in every single case.)with their forum behavior makes bob so disgusting for me.
arjun
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:19:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: OozoO
Originally by: Omega Man That would be funny to imagine that.
then I gotta say respect to bob for taking down their forums for several days - even their TS and IRC Channels :)
So which corp is going to be kicked from D2?
ALL OF THEM
HOLY SH*T DISBAND DISBAND
LOGOFF!!!!!!!! -omg-
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:22:00 -
[50]
Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: OozoO
Originally by: Omega Man That would be funny to imagine that.
then I gotta say respect to bob for taking down their forums for several days - even their TS and IRC Channels :)
So which corp is going to be kicked from D2?
ALL OF THEM
HOLY SH*T DISBAND DISBAND
LOGOFF!!!!!!!!
Perhaps a slight over-reaction, maybe just the BOB alt corp should be removed.
But perhaps your right.
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Exelsior
Endangered Species
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:23:00 -
[51]
Originally by: hired goon
ALL OF THEM
HOLY SH*T DISBAND DISBAND
LOGOFF!!!!!!!!
......
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Galavet
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:30:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Acwron
Considering the intel was leaked by an alt without any credibility in the first place his isn't on the line. (You can't lose something you don't have)
The fact that he is running a ôfor hireö service and requires isk for intel, credibility is the single thing he has or should ever care about. Without it, he is a scammer that will only give you fairy tales for isk. How can you not see this, or do you simply ignore the obvious on a daily basis?
Originally by: Acwron BoB try to convey on the forums that the have a credibility. BoBs is on the line in thesense that they need to use (multiple) separate accounts breaking the immersion in order to gain an edge against D2 how according to BoB are no threat at all (at least a smaller than ASCN (see like 10 threads in the past weeks)).
Your perception of how we operate and what we are doing is based on the opinion of the vocal masses, not on any fact that you can prove. We do not hack or exploit to gain an edge, even against D2.
Originally by: Acwron PS: Hacking (if it happended) isn't OK either just to be clear here.
But you will happily parade a proven hacker around, and in turn question my integrity, just because he is giving you intel. Nice to know the price for respect in D2 is quite affordable. Will come in handy in any future conflicts.
Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO |

Ritchler
Gallente Gallente Navy Federation Soliders
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kugutsumen To start the new year, we reveal the plan by the BoB leadership to put a spy into D2. That's hardly news, as all the alliances are spy ridden. What makes this maneuver different, is that BoB leadership placed an entire corp of BoB alts into D2... MONTHS ago.
That's right, as we speak, D2 has been infiltrated by an entire corp of Alts who are controlled by BoBs most trusted. A fun quote from dbp on the topic is, "think of a BoB puppet corp controlling D2" .
While controlling D2 from within may be a lofty goal, the more realistic stated goal of rotting D2 from within seems far more possible. (Having dbp posting on their internal forums would probably do it alone.
Alliance leaders if you need help exposing BoB spies, drop me an email or add me to google talk ([email protected].)
Don't forget, your isk keeps me working. Please donate when you have a moment.
Kugutsumen
Never leave an email address on the forums :)
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SOH'CAH'TOA
Amarr Robber Barons Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:35:00 -
[54]
Edited by: SOH''CAH''TOA on 02/01/2007 14:35:41 bob are not denying it for once ?

Originally by: hired goon
ALL OF THEM
HOLY SH*T DISBAND DISBAND
LOGOFF!!!!!!!!
omg.... 
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: SOH'CAH'TOA Edited by: SOH''CAH''TOA on 02/01/2007 14:35:41 bob are not denying it for once ?

Originally by: hired goon
ALL OF THEM
HOLY SH*T DISBAND DISBAND
LOGOFF!!!!!!!!
omg.... 
You sig delivers. A little too much Geometry perhaps ? ....
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Acwron
Minmatar Cataclysm Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:40:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Galavet
Originally by: Acwron
Considering the intel was leaked by an alt without any credibility in the first place his isn't on the line. (You can't lose something you don't have)
The fact that he is running a ôfor hireö service and requires isk for intel, credibility is the single thing he has or should ever care about. Without it, he is a scammer that will only give you fairy tales for isk. How can you not see this, or do you simply ignore the obvious on a daily basis?
Originally by: Acwron BoB try to convey on the forums that the have a credibility. BoBs is on the line in thesense that they need to use (multiple) separate accounts breaking the immersion in order to gain an edge against D2 how according to BoB are no threat at all (at least a smaller than ASCN (see like 10 threads in the past weeks)).
Your perception of how we operate and what we are doing is based on the opinion of the vocal masses, not on any fact that you can prove. We do not hack or exploit to gain an edge, even against D2.
Originally by: Acwron PS: Hacking (if it happended) isn't OK either just to be clear here.
But you will happily parade a proven hacker around, and in turn question my integrity, just because he is giving you intel. Nice to know the price for respect in D2 is quite affordable. Will come in handy in any future conflicts.
I don't parade him at all Galavet. I didn't say BoB exploit or hack either. Don't make stuff up. But just like hacking is breaking the immersion is paying extra accounts to gain access to other parties in order to gain an edge. That's the problem I as a player have. I r have multiple accounts but the characters don't interact if they are in different factions.
You and I as a player very well know that his intel is true and so does everybody with some idea what is going on.
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SOH'CAH'TOA
Amarr Robber Barons Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh A little too much Geometry perhaps ?
hit the nail on the head(with a sledgehammer)!!!!!!
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Galavet
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron I don't parade him at all Galavet. I didn't say BoB exploit or hack either. Don't make stuff up. But just like hacking is breaking the immersion is paying extra accounts to gain access to other parties in order to gain an edge. That's the problem I as a player have. I r have multiple accounts but the characters don't interact if they are in different factions.
You and I as a player very well know that his intel is true and so does everybody with some idea what is going on.
Acwron, What I see here is an attempt to blur the line between Out of game phpbb forum hacks and getting an spy alt into a enemy corp using ingame manipulation.
Just so we can all be crystal clear on this one... Are you trying to say that you see no difference in the two means of information extraction and view them both in the same light?
If this is indeed the case, then our little running debate here is done. Your view of reality would be to warped to warrent any further comment.
Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO |

Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:52:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Mitchello
we all did, but Civis forums are closed now.
 one of my theories why ASCN didn't fight back as it was expected from most: why fight for an alliance if you're only a spy ? ________
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Fornacis
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.02 14:52:00 -
[60]
The Bob / D2 threads are soooo last year.
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