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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.01.03 09:39:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: ollobrains
tbh u would think mission runners and those ppl affected by this lag would be more bousterous in their mentioning it on the forums. Or would be quitting in numbers this still doesnt appear to be happening which has me stumped all i can assume is players are comfortable with 20 second lag.
Well, considering now it takes me (living in a country affected by the Taiwan earthquake) 30+ minutes to check a thread, 10+ minutes to wait for the reply to topic entry to come up, and 2x repetition just to make sure it was posted. I'd think the whiners have met a foe they can never face. The Lag (note I refer to it as a big L. This amount of lag is no joke)
SIDENOTE: yes its my 4th time trying to post this. copypasta ftw.
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.03 10:37:00 -
[32]
Why is this stickied? I'm in London and getting lag. I'm <10miles from the datacentre.. taiwan is not within those 10miles.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:12:00 -
[33]
Originally by: jeNK
Why is this stickied? I'm in London and getting lag. I'm <10miles from the datacentre.. taiwan is not within those 10miles.
Probably because the rest of the world's internet hubs, backbones, and datacenters are going "OHNOES WHERE IS ASIA?!" and thus, borking up everything else along the way.
If else, you could just give them a ring and ask what the heck's going on. Tracert's and pathping charts help a lot.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:24:00 -
[34]
Originally by: jeNK
Why is this stickied? I'm in London and getting lag. I'm <10miles from the datacentre.. taiwan is not within those 10miles.
Its stickied because there are a lot of people who AREN'T in London. Perhaps they're in Australia or the Phillipines.
Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean its not important.
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:33:00 -
[35]
hopefully i shall keep myself informed u would think the telcos had alternative plans in the event of this ( increased use of wifi interconnectors to transfer data) back up satelite and cables laid in different locations and terristrial data transfer stations as well. Well guess the internet is still susectpible to blackouts so to speak due to natural disasters
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:34:00 -
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hopefully i shall keep myself informed u would think the telcos had alternative plans in the event of this ( increased use of wifi interconnectors to transfer data) back up satelite and cables laid in different locations and terristrial data transfer stations as well. Well guess the internet is still susectpible to blackouts so to speak due to natural disasters
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:37:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: jeNK
Why is this stickied? I'm in London and getting lag. I'm <10miles from the datacentre.. taiwan is not within those 10miles.
Its stickied because there are a lot of people who AREN'T in London. Perhaps they're in Australia or the Phillipines.
Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean its not important.
No, you are quite right, but eve has always lagged since number reached higher than 15k.. taiwan earthquake is a scape goat?
btw - I'm 6 hops from the server. Only the final hop is (or was, I'm not at my home machine atm) 'laggy' with nearly 100ms response, all the others at 15ms or less.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:22:00 -
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you westerners arent content with less than 100ms latency are you?? We live normally through 400-600ms (I do, to TQ) and this is BEFORE the quake.
"If you think you have it bad, someone else always has it worse. Be thankful."
 a modicum of understanding please, the internet isnt perfect, so dont treat it as such.
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:25:00 -
[39]
CCP know they have a big problem atm past history suggestes other things will be blamed or they will just wait until they have a fix ( feb perhaps) then crow on about some new useless content thing they are putting in to.
Its all good u get used to it eventually ppl will leave after getting fed up until it starts to affect the bottom line until then we can cruiser on thro
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:29:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
you westerners arent content with less than 100ms latency are you?? We live normally through 400-600ms (I do, to TQ) and this is BEFORE the quake.
"If you think you have it bad, someone else always has it worse. Be thankful."
a modicum of understanding please, the internet isnt perfect, so dont treat it as such.
No, I'm not best pleased that everything else is working fine until it reaches the final hop. If everything were consistently 900ms, I'd be happy. If everything were consistently 1ms, I'd be happy. It is the inconsistency, and obviously bottleneck, that I am unhappy with.
Besides which, if you are <10miles from the datacenter, anything more than 20ms is crap. FACT.
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Rothghaer Lyedecker
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:25:00 -
[41]
Originally by: jeNK
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
you westerners arent content with less than 100ms latency are you?? We live normally through 400-600ms (I do, to TQ) and this is BEFORE the quake.
"If you think you have it bad, someone else always has it worse. Be thankful."
a modicum of understanding please, the internet isnt perfect, so dont treat it as such.
No, I'm not best pleased that everything else is working fine until it reaches the final hop. If everything were consistently 900ms, I'd be happy. If everything were consistently 1ms, I'd be happy. It is the inconsistency, and obviously bottleneck, that I am unhappy with.
Besides which, if you are <10miles from the datacenter, anything more than 20ms is crap. FACT.
Funny how people think the distance from their house to some datacenter has anything to do with their connection to it. The link between your house and EVE server could be hundreds of miles in datacables. Since data in electric form travels at speed of light (well, very near it anyway) it doesn't matter at all. The fact there's a 'bottleneck' in last hop, _might_ have something to do with the ridiculous amount of network traffic this game needs to serve over 30000 people at a time.
It's understandable to demand good ping in FPS & similar, f.e. BF2 which I play often as it NEEDS that fast response time due to the fact that 1/3 of a second means your life. In that game ping's above 100ms are not really liked at all. Although only the 250ms+ pings start to hinder your gameplay. A small example when we we're trying to figure why connections from Finland to Germany we're almost unplayable: Finland --> Germany went through south Sweden straight to Germany, but Germany --> Finland went through Netherlands, England, Norway and Sweden (if I remember this right, it was in 2004 or something). German ISP's used other way to reach us, maybe a cheaper one. At least a much much slower one.
The Quake (heh) in Taiwan had huge effect on internet and it will take a long time to get connections back to normal or at least decent.
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Na'Kunni
Amarr
Warped Mining
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:41:00 -
[42]
Well, 1 things for sure, farmning factories are probably down 
Originally by: Xenofur
Everyone wants to kick you in the nuts until your voice is stuck at the pitch of a japanese schoolgirl for the rest of your life.
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:48:00 -
[43]
Edited by: jeNK on 04/01/2007 01:49:44
Originally by: Rothghaer Lyedecker
Originally by: jeNK
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
you westerners arent content with less than 100ms latency are you?? We live normally through 400-600ms (I do, to TQ) and this is BEFORE the quake.
"If you think you have it bad, someone else always has it worse. Be thankful."
a modicum of understanding please, the internet isnt perfect, so dont treat it as such.
No, I'm not best pleased that everything else is working fine until it reaches the final hop. If everything were consistently 900ms, I'd be happy. If everything were consistently 1ms, I'd be happy. It is the inconsistency, and obviously bottleneck, that I am unhappy with.
Besides which, if you are <10miles from the datacenter, anything more than 20ms is crap. FACT.
Funny how people think the distance from their house to some datacenter has anything to do with their connection to it. The link between your house and EVE server could be hundreds of miles in datacables. Since data in electric form travels at speed of light (well, very near it anyway) it doesn't matter at all. The fact there's a 'bottleneck' in last hop, _might_ have something to do with the ridiculous amount of network traffic this game needs to serve over 30000 people at a time.
It's understandable to demand good ping in FPS & similar, f.e. BF2 which I play often as it NEEDS that fast response time due to the fact that 1/3 of a second means your life. In that game ping's above 100ms are not really liked at all. Although only the 250ms+ pings start to hinder your gameplay. A small example when we we're trying to figure why connections from Finland to Germany we're almost unplayable: Finland --> Germany went through south Sweden straight to Germany, but Germany --> Finland went through Netherlands, England, Norway and Sweden (if I remember this right, it was in 2004 or something). German ISP's used other way to reach us, maybe a cheaper one. At least a much much slower one.
The Quake (heh) in Taiwan had huge effect on internet and it will take a long time to get connections back to normal or at least decent.
Funny that, because distance does make a huge difference - especially as I am in the same city as the datacenter ;)
Else the 10 hops I have to one of the US servers I make use of would not have a 180ms response. That goes via the trans-atlantic cables, btw, not the satelites.
6 hops is nothing, especially as 2 of those hops are in my house. Just as someone within 10miles of the desitination address should be.
and again.. it is the clear and present bottleneck at the final hop which has me unhappy..
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.04 04:38:00 -
[44]
hmmm well if this upgrade doesnt fix anything ill be playing eve a different way from now on. Not a good sign but the way it needs to be
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Methodius
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Posted - 2007.01.04 07:24:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Methodius on 04/01/2007 07:24:53
I wonder if CCP was affected by this:
Quote:
On the December 17, 2006, CANTAT-3 services came to a sudden halt due to damages to the line, leaving hundreds of thousands of people who take advantage of the service through their internet and media providers (Sfminn, Vodafone and Hive) without a stable flow of data to their computers. Most notable effects of the event was a temporary shut-down of data-communications by Iceland's universities and hospitals who rely heavily on CANTAT-3's services. It is predicted that a full recovery of the cable will take from two to three weeks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANTAT-3
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Ryoma Sakamoto
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Posted - 2007.01.04 10:32:00 -
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I don't know how many people would benefit from this info,
but Reliance group runs an underwater cable on a different
route from all other operators, and their cable of Taiwan
are unaffected. (This is the former FLAG TELECOM cable)
If you can figure out which of your local ISPs use that
cable for its overseas connection, you may be able to
switch ISPs and resume the game.
If Taiwan Earthquake has ruined the EVE experiense of SE
Asian players, that means that the communication route
between SE Asia and Europe goes SEA -> Japan -> US ->
Europe, or the long way around the World....
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.04 10:40:00 -
[47]
theres a lot of other flow on affects i think atm - internet viruses and spam increase seem to being noted at the moment as well a few articles ive read.
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Ukonius
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:44:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Ukonius on 05/01/2007 07:44:42
I know where the lag came from, I want to know who threw the poodle into the server. I mean yea, they are annoying dogs who yap all the time but come on, thats just mean. Expect a call form PETA any day now. :)
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SwitchBl4d3
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:06:00 -
[49]
where is the Eve asia server located???????
Originally by: Stavros
BUNGLE IN JUNGLE? J tHX OMG YEAH CHICKEN WINGS K? LOLLER SKATESWIHT LUBE K?
MIUOINKEYT!!!
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:04:00 -
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u mean eve china its a seperate server for mainland chinese players due to chinas laws on outside MMOs ( CCP did it for legal reasons with a local company) outsiders cant access it i dont think
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:27:00 -
[51]
Short update:
Having a talk with my network IT friend about the severed fiber-optic cables and the subsequent "panic-redirecting" of Asia's internet access, anyone who says it'll be back to normal by the end of January is "going to eat their foot and the grime on it".
His best estimates (and that of his colleagues) place it at least mid-April-June.
 holy <bleep>!
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Monde
Gallente
Praetorian Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.09 10:52:00 -
[52]
Considering I live on Hong Kong and play Eve and need to get to the outside world over the Internet for work I can tell you that this quake has had a MAJOR effect and will continue to do so.
They need to fix something like 6 under water cables and the first one is scheduled to be fixed between the 16th and the end of January.
This will slow down many countries as for us to get out we are bouncing around all over the world and placing stress on those backbones.
Also the reason why there have not been so many complaints is we cannot get to Eve (website or game) and since the quake I have only been able to get into the game reliably this week. I played on a 56k modem before coming here and it was a LOT faster and the connection never dropped as often.
That is my 2 cents.
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Tirol
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:46:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Tirol on 10/01/2007 15:46:12
I was in that quake. Teaching at the time. What total ass it was. Was two Quakes really. The second felt stronger than the first, even though that data sais otherwise.
Im in the northern side of Taiwan, and our access seems to remain unaffected.
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Tirol
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:46:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Tirol on 10/01/2007 15:46:12
I was in that quake. Teaching at the time. What total ass it was. Was two Quakes really. The second felt stronger than the first, even though that data sais otherwise.
Im in the northern side of Taiwan, and our access seems to remain unaffected.
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GroundZro
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.14 16:45:00 -
[55]
Geez... Ive waited a long day just to post and check for news... Ive been trying to log into the server or even this forums but it seems it took me forever to connect. Ive asked my friends to check also if they cant connect. and yet they cant even in our local internet cafe here.
Only those who have T1 or T3 connection can connect to your servers.
Hope theres an alternative way to connect to your game. Most European sites/servers we cannot acces.
-by the way im from the philippines.
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GroundZro
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.14 16:47:00 -
[56]
Geez... Ive waited a long day just to post and check for news... Ive been trying to log into the server or even this forums but it seems it took me forever to connect. Ive asked my friends to check also if they cant connect. and yet they cant even in our local internet cafe here.
Only those who have T1 or T3 connection can connect to your servers.
Hope theres an alternative way to connect to your game. Most European sites/servers we cannot acces.
-by the way im from the philippines.
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GroundZro
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.14 17:24:00 -
[57]
Ive invited some of my friends to play this game with me. But, With the recent internet crappy connections and we cant play at our homes...
This might cause us not to avail of the 30days pay to play. Because this wont give us a fun game if you see your ship blowing up because of lag and you cannot run...
Hope there would be a solution soon.
-Complaint not directed to CCP, But hope they could work out with net providers to stabiles connection in S.E.A.
Thanks
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muldar
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Posted - 2007.01.15 03:06:00 -
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This in my opion is a bad excuse for lag. Nice disater recovery plan by the way (none). I can't believe that we pay a monthley fee for this. In the u.s. wich my path goes no where near asia and every thing in the game lags sounds like software to me. Mod's take for ever to turn on they take forever to turn off reload takes an incredable 2min at some points. I have no problems loseing a ship to a stupid move but to jump into a system and lag and when you come back to find that your shield's and half your armor is gone in my opion is just unacceptable. CCP please fix soon or i see your customers going away
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brinelan
Caldari
Victory Not Vengeance
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Posted - 2007.01.22 02:57:00 -
[59]
Originally by: muldar
This in my opion is a bad excuse for lag. Nice disater recovery plan by the way (none). I can't believe that we pay a monthley fee for this. In the u.s. wich my path goes no where near asia and every thing in the game lags sounds like software to me. Mod's take for ever to turn on they take forever to turn off reload takes an incredable 2min at some points. I have no problems loseing a ship to a stupid move but to jump into a system and lag and when you come back to find that your shield's and half your armor is gone in my opion is just unacceptable. CCP please fix soon or i see your customers going away
Seeing as how the rest of the world can play the game fine, and the problem is the internet backbone halfway around the world from london, i do not see where ccp can do anything.
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Smook
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Posted - 2007.01.23 03:16:00 -
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I play from Singapore & most of the time have no lag issues (StarHub cable modem 6.5Mbps/384Kbps, this company was not affected by Taiwan earthquake). I thought so till last Sunday when I lost my Raven (total loss ~200M ISK) - it is really difficult to play EVE when your ship is under heavy fire of ~20 NPC enemies. I am pretty sure that my case had nothing to do with network lag... Pity that even can not ask for reimbursement...
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