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Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:48:00 - [1] As the title says: WHY do people rat lowsec in battleships? What can a battleship do against the frigs/cruisers/BCs there that a cruiser or AF couldn't do better? Is the money being made really enough to offset the possibility of being attacked by a pirate and losing a 100m ship because of a funky setup required to fight small NPCs? I mean, seriously... one can't be making much more than a couple mil per hour, right? It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:50:00 - [2] Having killed a carrier that was ratting in lowsec, I don't see the problem _____________________________________________
hobowithin	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:52:00 - [3] Quote: I mean, seriously... one can't be making much more than a couple mil per hour, right? correct......
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:53:00 - [4] Originally by: SN3263827 Having killed a carrier that was ratting in lowsec, I don't see the problem Are you bloody serious? Fraps? It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Shandling Minmatar Disband	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:56:00 - [5] Originally by: hobowithin Quote: I mean, seriously... one can't be making much more than a couple mil per hour, right? correct...... lol
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:57:00 - [6] i've seen a fair few carriers ratting in low sec, every time I come across one I go "NO NO NO NO NO ARARARARARARAGGGGHHH!" and then run away. Seriously though, I see no problem in ratting in whatever ship you want. "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv As the title says: WHY do people rat lowsec in battleships? What can a battleship do against the frigs/cruisers/BCs there that a cruiser or AF couldn't do better? Is the money being made really enough to offset the possibility of being attacked by a pirate and losing a 100m ship because of a funky setup required to fight small NPCs? I mean, seriously... one can't be making much more than a couple mil per hour, right? if you're ratting and get ganked by a pirate you're doing something wrong If you're getting loot and bounty you'll be at maybe 40mil an hour, possibly more Killing BS in an AF is so incredibly slow Seeing as basically all you lose on a BS is the insurance (don't need fancy t2 gear to beltrat) you might just lose less then losing an AF looking at insane AF prices atm
Tunajuice Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.02 18:04:00 - [8] a) I can't fly a af on my ratter guy b) My BS kills BS's faster then other ships c) when chaining, all I kill is BS anyway 30 mil an hour is fairly easy to make 0.0 ratting esp with a second account to follow you around for loot/salvage
Azrael Bierce Cult of Lemen	Posted - 2007.01.02 18:10:00 - [9] I think he's referring to using a BS to rat in, say, a 0.2 system, not 0.0. Are there even BS spawns in lowsec? I thought you just got a few BC size ships here and there until you hit 0.0.
Shandling Minmatar Disband	Posted - 2007.01.02 18:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Azrael Bierce I think he's referring to using a BS to rat in, say, a 0.2 system, not 0.0. Are there even BS spawns in lowsec? I thought you just got a few BC size ships here and there until you hit 0.0. Oh, haha... yeah, BS in lowsec is silly. You can rat down to 0.1 in a T1 frig.
Yarek Balear The Initiative	Posted - 2007.01.02 18:13:00 - [11] Confirmed, we killed a carrier in low sec when I was in Veto a couple months back and then a couple weeks ago I attacked 2 Ravens in a belt (killed one & the other got away in structure) just couple weeks ago... Don't know why they do it, but wish they'd do it more
Vincent Almasy Gallente The Underground	Posted - 2007.01.02 18:13:00 - [12] Edited by: Vincent Almasy on 02/01/2007 18:14:57 Originally by: Xori Ruscuv As the title says: WHY do people rat lowsec in battleships? What can a battleship do against the frigs/cruisers/BCs there that a cruiser or AF couldn't do better? Is the money being made really enough to offset the possibility of being attacked by a pirate and losing a 100m ship because of a funky setup required to fight small NPCs? I mean, seriously... one can't be making much more than a couple mil per hour, right? -Depends on what you call a couple mil. Well you can find a good belt that spons a good amount of BS, Cruise and frigs will normaly kill a AF or a cruiser from just to many things, a AF can take out a BS sure, but the avg speed of that is over two minutes unless you get really really good shots and often. -Second, if you are in a cruiser or a AF and a pirate is in a BS your kinda at a disadvantage typically but hey that's only 5-20mil, but wait, what if he is in the killing mood and pods you? You lost your ship, a clone and all your implants just trying to save a buck and rat at a slowly pace from using a smaller ship. -If you use a battle ship you may still be killed but you'll but up more of a fight and maybe too much of a fight and they will leave you or you may just kill them. Who knows really. And per hour I think if you change the raw 275dps to lets say raw 1300DPS. By these numbers you woul kill four times faster, and be able to tank more damage then before meaning you can fight larger spons for longer time or maybe never leaving. -I hope this answer your question. [Note] Neither of the setups are gank but balanced setups to be more flexable for solo ratting. 275DPS: Ishkur-3xLight Ion Blaster II:Void, 2xHobgoblin II+3xHammerhead II 1300DPS: Megathron-7xIon Blaster Cannon II:Void, 5xOger II
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.02 18:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Xori Ruscuv As the title says: WHY do people rat lowsec in battleships? What can a battleship do against the frigs/cruisers/BCs there that a cruiser or AF couldn't do better? Is the money being made really enough to offset the possibility of being attacked by a pirate and losing a 100m ship because of a funky setup required to fight small NPCs? I mean, seriously... one can't be making much more than a couple mil per hour, right? if you're ratting and get ganked by a pirate you're doing something wrong If you're getting loot and bounty you'll be at maybe 40mil an hour, possibly more Killing BS in an AF is so incredibly slow Seeing as basically all you lose on a BS is the insurance (don't need fancy t2 gear to beltrat) you might just lose less then losing an AF looking at insane AF prices atm But we're talking low sec ratting here. I see people ratting LOW SEC using battleships. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.02 18:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Shandling lol Am I missing something? No, seriously... if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. BS ratting in 0.0 is great, sure. But lowsec? AF/cruiser could take those spawns on with NP, and get away from pirates quicker. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Ghoest	Posted - 2007.01.02 18:22:00 - [15] Why would you rat in low sec at all? Other than passing time to warp in on a gate camp I cant see any reason to do it. Wherever you went - here you are.
Shi Mun Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.01.02 18:23:00 - [16] Bored pirate maybe or just someone hu hasnt yet got the courage to go 0.0? Or maybe they cant risk it? Or maybe their just plain bored? You killed a carrier in low sec that was ratting? --------------------------- HAHA! your jammers suck now! Oh wait whats happening to my scorpion...
Ghoest	Posted - 2007.01.02 18:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Shi Mun hasnt yet got the courage to go 0.0? I think you mean "someone who is stupid". I guess I could understand a clueless newb making his big adventures. Wherever you went - here you are.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:17:00 - [18] If I rat in my PvP setup, I'd have no problems killing the little ships with my geddon. I just don't rat much...or at all. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Benglada Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:35:00 - [19] if i see a faction spawn or a promising one ill go blast it in my blasterthron seeing a t2 neutron thron killing a rat battlecruiser is hilarious. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Karasu Kaizoku Caldari Shikei Army	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:57:00 - [20] Originally by: SN3263827 Having killed a carrier that was ratting in lowsec, I don't see the problem True story.* -
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:05:00 - [21] Lowsec (or 0.0) ratting ships are simply walking "Please gank me, I have stuff" signs. Give them what they want. Hell, I've fought two ravens in a Nanophoon (ravens being the anti-NP), and very nearly killed one that couldn't hit me with his torps. The other one had Jav torps for some God-only-knows reason, however. Those sting ;.; Moral: Watch for T2 ravens. ---------------------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
Arian Snow Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:19:00 - [22] Edited by: Arian Snow on 02/01/2007 22:22:33 one word for you... INSURANCE! A Domi with a t2 drones and cheap modules is very fast at killing, many times faster than an AF, and its ammoless! And it costs near nothing to loose! I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Arian Snow Edited by: Arian Snow on 02/01/2007 22:22:33 one word for you... INSURANCE! A Domi with a t2 drones and cheap modules is very fast at killing, many times faster than an AF, and its ammoless! And it costs near nothing to loose! Insurance and t2 drones is about 2-3 vexors that could do the job jsut as well and escape easier. Really no point to using one soley for ratting in lowsec. -----
Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.03 07:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Nicocat Lowsec (or 0.0) ratting ships are simply walking "Please gank me, I have stuff" signs. Give them what they want. Hell, I've fought two ravens in a Nanophoon (ravens being the anti-NP), and very nearly killed one that couldn't hit me with his torps. The other one had Jav torps for some God-only-knows reason, however. Those sting ;.; Moral: Watch for T2 ravens. Umm, unless ur in a really slow nanophoon, torps(including javelin) hit for like 1 damage... The real anti-nanophoon is a nos domi. You cant maintain the mwd with him nossing you and you wont break his tank before you run out of cap charges.
MOCC3	Posted - 2007.01.03 08:08:00 - [25] Edited by: MOCC3 on 03/01/2007 08:10:41 Originally by: Xori Ruscuv As the title says: WHY do people rat lowsec in battleships? What can a battleship do against the frigs/cruisers/BCs there that a cruiser or AF couldn't do better? Is the money being made really enough to offset the possibility of being attacked by a pirate and losing a 100m ship because of a funky setup required to fight small NPCs? I mean, seriously... one can't be making much more than a couple mil per hour, right? I live in 0.0 but when i hunt in .4---.1 im looking for gankers. so i can Gank them When i hunt in Low sec Im in a AC Tempest. Full PVP fit but i still rat in it. Also i have 4 Force recon ships in my Drone bay. set up 6 650 repeating art guns 2 med T2 Neuts T2 mwd / webber 10k / cap booster / tracking disrupter / 20 k scram 2 T2 LAR T2 EXP/KIN/THRM hardeners /T2 gyro drone bay 5 T2 drones any type med. And in the pack i have 2 or 4 of the same.... 2 pilgrims 2 rooks 4 pilgrims 4 rooks Duh we are in a gang. So there u have it belt ratting in a BS why and how I DO IT
Chief Seattle	Posted - 2007.01.03 09:11:00 - [26] Edited by: Chief Seattle on 03/01/2007 09:17:59 To OP: Because it takes a hell of a long time to kill 0.0 rats without a Command ship or better. I have used feroxes and drakes a lot and believe me, the BS is better. Ravens with the correct setups, lots of belts, and good spawns can average about 15 mil an hour (20 if you have amazing spawns), if you find a hauler spawn or a T2 faction spawn (dread guristas/shadow serp...) your money goes up even more. even in my sheild tanked domi (caldari skilled) i can make 10x the money than a ferox/ drake / brutix. and now with the boost to torps the ratting raven owns even more. an example: waerl, he was a character in my old corp, didnt speak english well, played 6 hours a day, had a torpraven that could 3 volley an angel throne spawn (1.5 mil angel BS rat)and never lost a tank. near the end of our corp he sends us a mail saying he is now running 2 POSes in the system he usually rats in and we are free to dock there. they are large POSes, 1 a death star setup with small refining/ammo for the alliance and the other a large POS with an industry setup. that takes about 800mil to setup and more to keep going. for lowsec, the BS seems to be an overkill but i just love the reactions i get from pirates when they see its a BS instead of some dinky cruiser... 2 nosses are needed for lowsec ratting BSes for the pvp aspect. stabs are ok in lowsec too. so yes ratters make a lot of money my torp raven setup: Adv. weapons upgrades 4 electronics 5 enginnering 5 High: 6 Arbalest torp launchers, 1 tractor beam, 1 NOS/salvager Mids: XL clarity sheild booster, 4 rat specific hardeners, 1 Shield boost amp/ T2 invulnerabitlty field. lows: 3 Power diagnostics, 1 Ballistic control T2 Well factoring in the 3.5% decrease in sig size from the alighment of the planets and the shadow cast by Tomb's ego combined with the evilness of T2 BPOs you can successfully say that people whin
BurnHard	Posted - 2007.01.03 09:41:00 - [27] I used to do this in a Retribution. It doesn't take that long to kill BS spawns with this little buggha let me tell you but you need a TII setup, which can cost you, but it's still going to be cheaper than your BS insurance. It's not so good for storing loot though because it's got a tiny cargo hold.
Jacob Holland Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:00:00 - [28] My guess would be that (with the exception of Pirates killing spawns while they look for real prey, pirates with little else to do at the time, people in "secured" systems who need to stay alive for a long while so patrols can get to them if they are jumped and similar) for the most part it's purely the fact that all those extra hit points feel safer. Perhaps many of them have lost frigates, destroyers, cruisers or BCs to pirates in their newb days when they had no idea how to avoid losses to piracy (perhaps some of them still don't) and therefore have no confidence in their ability to defend themselves in smaller ships. A battleship certainly has more chance of tanking a pirate attack, potentially more chance of escaping and because of its value also more chance of being offered for ransom. Regardless of the facts there is still a perception in a lot of players that says a big ship will always beat a small ship, that a Raven is safe and won't get slaughtered in short order by a few frigates. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Shandling Minmatar Disband	Posted - 2007.01.03 14:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: Shandling lol Am I missing something? No, seriously... if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. BS ratting in 0.0 is great, sure. But lowsec? AF/cruiser could take those spawns on with NP, and get away from pirates quicker. Yeah, I misread, thought it meant 0.0. Lowsec BS is stupid.
HolographicEntrypoint Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.03 14:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Nicocat Lowsec (or 0.0) ratting ships are simply walking "Please gank me, I have stuff" signs. Give them what they want. Hell, I've fought two ravens in a Nanophoon (ravens being the anti-NP), and very nearly killed one that couldn't hit me with his torps. The other one had Jav torps for some God-only-knows reason, however. Those sting ;.; Moral: Watch for T2 ravens. Umm, unless ur in a really slow nanophoon, torps(including javelin) hit for like 1 damage... The real anti-nanophoon is a nos domi. You cant maintain the mwd with him nossing you and you wont break his tank before you run out of cap charges. quickfit tells me i get 180dps on a 4450 m/s nanophoon. --- ^ Custom Sigs for ISK My custom Sigs Gallery

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