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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.06 19:28:05 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Aryth wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:Mr Rive wrote:. You can read our forums if you like. Not to say anyone is leaking anything... ...but anyone who's leaking NDA info, anywhere, not just here. Who's worth 2 grains of salt knows never to leak anything in such a manner where the source can't be pointed elsewhere, and impossible to trace back to the individual. Which makes the quote in question literally worthless... Coming from me it doesn't. Coming from someone like Elise, who has access to everything, it absolutely doesn't. It's fair to say I dont know everything about PL's inner workings, and I cannot rule out the possibility he shared something with someone privately that I am obllivious to. But I have spoken to him, at length, in the past, and know this is not something he would do flippantly, or in order to give PL an advantage. The offer for CCP to read our forums was to show that we are being as open as we POSSIBLY can be about this. Hell, I know Elise has made the same offer in the past. CCP want to keep this matter between themselves and Manny, even though, in exceptional circumstances (like hydra cheating) everyone knew everything, and all of the information regarding the bannings in the tournament were completely publicised. Perhaps because CCP had proof. Because this is not the case in this particular incident, I cannot help but feel CCP does not have any proof. This isn't a democracy, CCP get to decide what to do. But the fact they won't tell us is going to create a bad vibe between us. We want to be open on this. Unless CCP can show us proof, then I have to call their accusations bullshit. I know manny, I certainly dont know the CCP employees who chose to remove him. So until anything changes, I'm siding with manny on this, and saying that his removal from the CSM was based on poor assumption, rather than objective fact. As someone who was in the know. He is guilty. I know you probably don't want to take my word for it but he very much was. Don't take this the wrong way, but im not going to take your word for it no, especially not considering you're in goonswarm, an alliance i would seriously consider to be using CSM intel for market speculation. IF you can show me proof of it however... That being said, I think it's really ****** of you to come out and say 'yes he was cheating' without saying why, even if it is just to say 'it would not give PL an advantage' or the opposite. It sounds like youre trying to play petty politics. This isnt a personal attack on you, but honestly, the CSM SHOULD (heh) be above politics and a way in which all alliances try and improve the game they play in. Using it to score cheap points seems like a really crappy thing to do. Either tell us what you know, or dont say anything, because you stir the pot and its not fair on anyone.
I leaked everything in had directly into structures tweetfleet slack for this very reason. Saying who leaked and what he leaked weeks in advance. Directly in front of CCP. So, yes, I have "proof" for the taking if you were one of those 350+ people who saw it.
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Koz Katral
Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion
123
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Posted - 2015.11.06 21:47:40 -
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Aryth wrote: I leaked everything in had directly into structures tweetfleet slack for this very reason. Saying who leaked and what he leaked weeks in advance. Directly in front of CCP. So, yes, I have "proof" for the taking if you were one of those 350+ people who saw it.
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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
147
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Posted - 2015.11.06 23:46:54 -
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Xenuria wrote:REFORM THE CSM! Vote Xenuria~
Seriously though, I said this stuff would happen. You didn't listen. Literal writing on the wall, that half the community ignored. A former member of the CSM even went so far as to compare my reform platform to the gestapo.
If the CSM is to survive it needs to change and grow like any other system within this living story we call EvE Online.
http://capstable.net/blog/2015/01/12/xenuria/ Start about 9:07
Grrrr goon candidate becomes a goon candidate?
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
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Vintare
Jedi Knight's Orden Jedi Path
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Posted - 2015.11.07 11:24:03 -
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Well, if people do not learn, CCP just should take legal action.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me more - get f***ing sued.
Otherwise people will not learn. NDA is not something to fool around with and it should be made apparent. Just make an example without any life breaking consequences for the removed CMS member, but send a message: next time it will be serious. |
Xenuria
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1025
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Posted - 2015.11.07 12:57:05 -
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Burl en Daire wrote:Xenuria wrote:REFORM THE CSM! Vote Xenuria~
Seriously though, I said this stuff would happen. You didn't listen. Literal writing on the wall, that half the community ignored. A former member of the CSM even went so far as to compare my reform platform to the gestapo.
If the CSM is to survive it needs to change and grow like any other system within this living story we call EvE Online. http://capstable.net/blog/2015/01/12/xenuria/ Start about 9:07 Grrrr goon candidate becomes a goon candidate?
I am not a goon candidate. I am first and foremost a reform candidate. Take your foot out of your mouth and check my employment history.
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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2015.11.08 00:59:53 -
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Xenuria wrote:I am not a goon candidate. I am first and foremost a reform candidate. Take your foot out of your mouth and check my employment history. Actually, you are now. Whether they endorse you or not due to affiliation, yer a goon.
Welcome to dodging the very argument you lobbed at everyone else.
I am eagerly awaiting your attempts to wiggle out of this with a straight face.
Knowing they have more SP than I do isnGÇÖt going to stop me from taking the fight if I was going to take it.
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Tornii
The Scope Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2015.11.08 09:18:01 -
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Arrendis wrote:Tornii wrote:I'm just curious - if the CSM is a democratically elected body responsible to its voters, how can reasons for such a change "of course remain confidential"? Because disciplinary action usually remains confidential unless initiated within the democratic process as a matter of protecting the privacy of the person being disciplined. Get your head out of the tabloid media, please. You clearly missed my point there. I didn't ask why the reason remained confidential, I asked why it should /would "of course" happen so for any case.
Also, limit yourself to the point instead of adding nonsense in an effort to make your posts sound cooler, please.
Socialism must eradicate capitalism before capitalism eradicates civilisation
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17204
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:01:27 -
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Xenuria
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation wrote:
I am not a goon candidate.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2391
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Posted - 2015.11.12 05:06:13 -
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Mr Rive wrote:CCP Leeloo wrote:
The reasoning for his removal will of course remain confidential between CCP and Manfred, and we would like to thank him for his contributions during his term with CSM X.
- CCP Leeloo
This is really daft. Now everyone is going to be continually accusing us of getting insider information. If this is the case, you should tell us, not only for everyone else's sake, but for the people of PL who got VERY frustrated at manny because he would go OUT OF HIS WAY not to break NDA. You can read our forums if you like.
You you are saying you and your fellow alliance member were frustrated when he followed the rules? Could he have caved in under the pressure of his alliance?
Mr Rive wrote:
This isn't a democracy, CCP get to decide what to do. But the fact they won't tell us is going to create a bad vibe between us. We want to be open on this. Unless CCP can show us proof, then I have to call their accusations bullshit. I know manny, I certainly dont know the CCP employees who chose to remove him. So until anything changes, I'm siding with manny on this, and saying that his removal from the CSM was based on poor assumption, rather than objective fact.
Except that open the door for people to ask for reason for any judgement CCP ever does. Why should PL's CSM representative case be treated differently than any other disciplinary action taken by CCP?
Ander wrote:I can offer CCP access to audit the PL forums if necessary. This includes dellta-diff data for a long period back in time. (This is authenticated with a thirdparty service we use for backups, would be very hard for us to fake anything... unless we can move time backwards at Amazon.)
However, I seriously doubt Manny did anything that is related to PL.
How about skype? Mumble? teamspeak? External e-mails? Phone calls? Any other communication means that could of been used to leak something while also being much harder to track back which in case of a leak happen to be a rather valuable "feature" for a communication media... Auditing your forum is useless unless you somehow could prove there is absolutely no possible way for info to be leaked else where. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6533
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Posted - 2015.12.09 19:47:48 -
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Malcanis wrote:Xenuria
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation wrote:
I am not a goon candidate.
You can be certain that even if he gets a top spot on our ballot, enough Imperium people hate him for old reasons to bump him off their ballot completely
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