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CCP Leeloo
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.05 11:46:30 -
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Hi everyone,
I am here today to let you know that we have removed Manfred Sideous from CSM X.
The reasoning for his removal will of course remain confidential between CCP and Manfred, and we would like to thank him for his contributions during his term with CSM X.
- CCP Leeloo
CCP Leeloo | CSM Coordinator | @ccp_leeloo
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
15064
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:16:10 -
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Will there be a replacement?
GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà
Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'
Twitter @Chribba
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Mai Khumm
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
687
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:19:38 -
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1 Billion on Capital leak...
Toronto EVE Thread!
[email protected]
@Toronto_EVE
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
2625
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:23:33 -
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I'm pretty sure everyone already knew about Space Harpoons, guys.
Damn. 
2004-2008: Mercenary Coalition Boss
2007-2010: CCP Game Designer
2011-2013: CSM6 Delegate & CSM7 Chairman
2011-2015: Pandemic Legionnaire
Follow Seleene on Twitter!
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Mostlyharmlesss
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
215
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:24:07 -
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I believe it was for leaking the capital changes as well, however, I am surprised it has taken this long considering he did the exact same thing with Aegis sov. Hell, he even hinted at it on The Metashow with several CCP employees watching.
Follow me on Twitter for the latest regarding GoonSwarm Federation and our recruitment drives!
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Tiger Tesla
Periphery Bound
New Signature
59
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:25:19 -
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Quote:remain confidential between CCP and Manfred
Not if reddit has anything to say about it.... |
Khador Vess
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
253
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:26:40 -
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Chribba wrote:Will there be a replacement?
I'm hoping no... didnt they say there was a limit of 3 resignations / replacements etc before they just carry on as is. |
Tyr Dolorem
Snuff Box
Snuffed Out
167
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:27:09 -
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I'm glad I bought all this tinfoil. |
Koz Katral
Hoover Inc.
Pandemic Legion
118
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:34:51 -
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So your own devs leak the changes at evesterdam, but you decide the best thing to do is go on a witch hunt within the CSM?
classic lol. |
Bodewhin Schwarz
Pure Avarice.
Snuffed Out
14
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:35:32 -
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Tyr Dolorem wrote:I'm glad I bought all this tinfoil.
Can I borrow some? I seem to be out...
(¦Æ;..;)¦Æ
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Needmore Longcat
Hoover Inc.
Pandemic Legion
239
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:37:43 -
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Easily first. |
The Judge
Balkan Mafia
Circle-Of-Two
12
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:40:56 -
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I have full faith that CCP has hard proof of "something" Manny did, or didn't, do. I would be surprised if this had anything to do with capital. I would hope Manny had better judgement than to leak, having been in the public eye for a number of years now. I will leave my tinfoil hat and pitchfork in the cupboard for now... I suggest people do the same.
All that being said, I really hope we can do away with this revolving door of CSM members next term.
Senior Diplomat for Circle-Of-Two
Proud CSM XI Candidate - @_TheJudge on Twitter
"Mankind's greatest achievements have come about by talking and its
greatest failures by not talking. It doesn't have to be like this"
-Stephen Hawking
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Erasmus Grant
High Flyers
Northern Coalition.
27
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:48:06 -
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Chribba wrote:Will there be a replacement?
Xenuria |
Moe Alabel
We pooped on your lawn
Resonance.
0
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:52:06 -
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CCP Leeloo wrote:Hi everyone,
I am here today to let you know that we have removed Manfred Sideous from CSM X.
The reasoning for his removal will of course remain confidential between CCP and Manfred, and we would like to thank him for his contributions during his term with CSM X.
- CCP Leeloo
How can you remove someone that was elected by the player base? He is a player rep not a CCP rep |
Seraphim Risen
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
29
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:54:26 -
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*builds a bonfire*
*Hands out pitchforks*
*sticks giant marshmallow on pitchfork and makes bigass S'Mores*
Am I doing it right? |
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CCP Falcon
12510
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:56:48 -
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Khador Vess wrote:Chribba wrote:Will there be a replacement? I'm hoping no... didnt they say there was a limit of 3 resignations / replacements etc before they just carry on as is.
There won't be a replacement this term.
As we discussed during the last CSM X Summit, we're past the point where back filling an empty position would be productive.
The CSM will run with 13 delegates until CSM XI is brought on board in Q2 of 2016.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Anthar Thebess
1369
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:58:57 -
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Don't kick CSM members.
You are effectively reducing places where players can get reliable information about upcoming changes.
Split for the battle/logi carriers was well known before eve Amsterdam , like the small buff to dreads.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Erasmus Grant
High Flyers
Northern Coalition.
28
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:08:05 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Khador Vess wrote:Chribba wrote:Will there be a replacement? I'm hoping no... didnt they say there was a limit of 3 resignations / replacements etc before they just carry on as is. There won't be a replacement this term. As we discussed during the last CSM X Summit, we're past the point where back filling an empty position would be productive. The CSM will run with 13 delegates until CSM XI is brought on board in Q2 of 2016.
CCP doesnt want Xenuria on CSM. #cherrypicking |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
2885
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:12:22 -
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If he would've been replaced, I wonder who would've been in line ? 
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
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Insidious
Hax.
Shadow Cartel
15
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:20:04 -
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sigh
manny did you market speculate bra
:( |
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Naliao Vee
Naliao Inc.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:22:05 -
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DO YOU MEAN TO SAY PL WAS USING INSIDER INFO?
THE NERVE |
Dinin Dalael
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:28:11 -
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Erasmus Grant wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Khador Vess wrote:Chribba wrote:Will there be a replacement? I'm hoping no... didnt they say there was a limit of 3 resignations / replacements etc before they just carry on as is. There won't be a replacement this term. As we discussed during the last CSM X Summit, we're past the point where back filling an empty position would be productive. The CSM will run with 13 delegates until CSM XI is brought on board in Q2 of 2016. CCP doesnt want Xenuria on CSM. #cherrypicking
Does anyone want Xenuria anywhere? |
Bai
Neu Mercurial Partei
3
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:30:28 -
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Erasmus Grant wrote:CCP doesnt want Xenuria on CSM. #cherrypicking
There's always next year. |
Khador Vess
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
253
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:31:00 -
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Dinin Dalael wrote:Erasmus Grant wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Khador Vess wrote:Chribba wrote:Will there be a replacement? I'm hoping no... didnt they say there was a limit of 3 resignations / replacements etc before they just carry on as is. There won't be a replacement this term. As we discussed during the last CSM X Summit, we're past the point where back filling an empty position would be productive. The CSM will run with 13 delegates until CSM XI is brought on board in Q2 of 2016. CCP doesnt want Xenuria on CSM. #cherrypicking Does anyone want Xenuria anywhere?
Karmafleet do it seems: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/xenuria
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1188
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:35:27 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Don't kick CSM members.
You are effectively reducing places where players can get reliable information about upcoming changes.
Split for the battle/logi carriers was well known before eve Amsterdam , like the small buff to dreads.
yeah
because manny told everyone |
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
1578
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:36:54 -
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Insidious wrote:sigh
manny did you market speculate bra
:(
Odd thing is that he hardly needs isk. He's a leader of a major alliance, probably has access to whatever multi trillions they have. Risk your CSM ship to speculate on veldspar?
If that was the reason, that's silly.
I don't think it was as it doesn't make sense.
Yaay!!!!
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Belinda HwaFang
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
59
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:46:29 -
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CCP Leeloo wrote:Hi everyone,
I am here today to let you know that we have removed Manfred Sideous from CSM X.
The reasoning for his removal will of course remain confidential between CCP and Manfred, and we would like to thank him for his contributions during his term with CSM X.
- CCP Leeloo
So you sack him for some secret reason, but you "thank him for his contributions". Can you see how insidious that sounds?
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Stoffl
Snuff Box
Snuffed Out
45
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:48:00 -
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Belinda HwaFang wrote:CCP Leeloo wrote:Hi everyone,
I am here today to let you know that we have removed Manfred Sideous from CSM X.
The reasoning for his removal will of course remain confidential between CCP and Manfred, and we would like to thank him for his contributions during his term with CSM X.
- CCP Leeloo So you sack him for some secret reason, but you "thank him for his contributions". Can you see how insidious that sounds?
icwhatyoudidthere |
Michael Ignis Archangel
Giant Robot Factory
Test Alliance Please Ignore
103
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:51:35 -
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Belinda HwaFang wrote:CCP Leeloo wrote:Hi everyone,
I am here today to let you know that we have removed Manfred Sideous from CSM X.
The reasoning for his removal will of course remain confidential between CCP and Manfred, and we would like to thank him for his contributions during his term with CSM X.
- CCP Leeloo So you sack him for some secret reason, but you "thank him for his contributions". Can you see how insidious that sounds?
Because clearly making a mistake invalidates everything you've ever done prior to it. |
Always Shi
t Posting
4
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:00:16 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Don't kick CSM members.
You are effectively reducing places where players can get reliable information about upcoming changes.
I can see how kicking people who break NDA affects how players get reliable information about upcoming changes.
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Belinda HwaFang
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
59
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:05:10 -
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Michael Ignis Archangel wrote:Belinda HwaFang wrote:
So you sack him for some secret reason, but you "thank him for his contributions". Can you see how insidious that sounds?
Because clearly making a mistake invalidates everything you've ever done prior to it.
That depends on how big a "mistake".
We, perhaps, will never know, but forums and reddit will blaze long into the cold winter nights.
--
Fang |
Lelira Cirim
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
252
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:12:15 -
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Stoffl wrote:icwhatyoudidthere
Prooty gud akshualy.
Do not actively tank my patience.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1886
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:16:06 -
[33] - Quote
I am glad this situation received the appropriate outcome.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1416
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:19:33 -
[34] - Quote
Another One Bites the Dust.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Manfred Sideous
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
1252
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:21:41 -
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Seems Legit
@EveManny
https://twitter.com/EveManny
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Matterall
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:26:26 -
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Manfred Sideous wrote:Seems Legit
Why?! You were the chosen one! |
Tetsel
Heretic Army
I N F A M O U S
201
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:33:23 -
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CCPlease stop that CSM joke. Nobody remember what happen in 2007 anyway, you don't need that PR Damage Control anymore.
Thx
Loyal servent to Mother Amamake.
@EVE_Tetsel
Another Bittervet Please Ignore
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
2243
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:36:55 -
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Belinda HwaFang wrote:CCP Leeloo wrote:Hi everyone,
I am here today to let you know that we have removed Manfred Sideous from CSM X.
The reasoning for his removal will of course remain confidential between CCP and Manfred, and we would like to thank him for his contributions during his term with CSM X.
- CCP Leeloo So you sack him for some secret reason, but you "thank him for his contributions". Can you see how insidious that sounds?
How could this be construed as "insidious?" A person can make meaningful contributions and later violate the terms of a Non-Disclosure Agreement without the latter tainting the former.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Mealtime
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
Drama Sutra
50
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:57:10 -
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Tetsel wrote:CCPlease stop that CSM joke. Nobody remember what happen in 2007 anyway, you don't need that PR Damage Control anymore.
Thx
The only purpose of that CSM is to maintain power to big groups in New Eden. It's not what CSM was created for.
It's, actually, a joke.
"Bonjour, moi, c'est Mealtime."
Frugu, un forum FRuité
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Dirk Magnum
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
513
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:02:24 -
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Xenuria's time approaches. New Eden will soon know what Karmafleet is all about: we are what you deserve.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
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Dog0fWaRR
Carpe Noctem.
Pandemic Legion
33
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:04:24 -
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Okay. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
2244
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:17:28 -
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Mealtime wrote:Tetsel wrote:CCPlease stop that CSM joke. Nobody remember what happen in 2007 anyway, you don't need that PR Damage Control anymore.
Thx The only purpose of that CSM is to maintain power to big groups in New Eden. It's not what CSM was created for. It's, actually, a joke.
I can confirm that the CSM, being a group that is appointed due to backroom deals, nepotism, and bribery, and not at all the result of a democratic election using a vote aggregation mechanic designed to minimize vote wasting by uninformed voters has its purpose solely rooted in maintaining power to big groups.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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John Selth
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
29
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:32:58 -
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Uhuh... |
Skarr Tos
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
17
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:38:45 -
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And umm.. |
SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Squids
363
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:45:27 -
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Manfred Sideous wrote:Seems Legit
Why did they kick you off the CSM? |
Daugan
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
6
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Posted - 2015.11.05 15:53:38 -
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Out of curiosity, what disciplinary steps will be taken against the devs that got loco drunk at Amsterdam and leaked the changes well in advance? |
Tornii
The Scope
Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:01:09 -
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I'm just curious - if the CSM is a democratically elected body responsible to its voters, how can reasons for such a change "of course remain confidential"?
Socialism must eradicate capitalism before capitalism eradicates civilisation
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Carmen Electra
Shiptoasters
61069
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:08:32 -
[48] - Quote
Tornii wrote:I'm just curious - if the CSM is a democratically elected body responsible to its voters, how can reasons for such a change "of course remain confidential"?
Because, at the end of the day, EVE Online is CCP's intellectual property. The CSM is an initiative that they put in place for their own reasons, and while I'm sure they try to respect the decisions players make, things like NDAs trump the feel-good democracy they've instituted.
Bacon makes us stronger
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jaguar uhlan
Shekelwaffe
0
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:15:45 -
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well at least he didn't go to riot amirite guys |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1572
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:18:22 -
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Tornii wrote:I'm just curious - if the CSM is a democratically elected body responsible to its voters, how can reasons for such a change "of course remain confidential"?
Because disciplinary action usually remains confidential unless initiated within the democratic process as a matter of protecting the privacy of the person being disciplined. Get your head out of the tabloid media, please. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1572
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:19:26 -
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Querns wrote:How could this be construed as "insidious?"
How could removing Sideous be Insidious?
Someone has been successfully avoiding Kcolor's puns lately, I see.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1572
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:20:15 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Don't kick CSM members.
You are effectively reducing places where players can get reliable information about upcoming changes.
Split for the battle/logi carriers was well known before eve Amsterdam , like the small buff to dreads.
Pssst. There might be a connection there.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
2246
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:22:52 -
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Arrendis wrote:Querns wrote:How could this be construed as "insidious?" How could removing Sideous be Insidious? Someone has been successfully avoiding Kcolor's puns lately, I see.
That's not even a pun. Or funny. :V
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Globby
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
270
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:49:16 -
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Dear {Recipient}
Please accept my deepest apologies for my mistake in regard to {state mistake}.
It was not my intention to create such an awkward and embarrassing situation for {you, institution, the team, company, etcGǪ}.
If there was any good that came out of this unfortunate experience, it is that I have grown and learned alternative approaches to these situations.
Please feel free to let me of your thoughts and concerns over this matter. You can reach me at {email, phone number}.
Sincerely,
{Sender} |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1572
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:55:29 -
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Querns wrote:Arrendis wrote:Querns wrote:How could this be construed as "insidious?" How could removing Sideous be Insidious? Someone has been successfully avoiding Kcolor's puns lately, I see. That's not even a pun. Or funny. :V
Are you saying Kcolor's are? |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
2247
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:07:00 -
[56] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Querns wrote:Arrendis wrote:Querns wrote:How could this be construed as "insidious?" How could removing Sideous be Insidious? Someone has been successfully avoiding Kcolor's puns lately, I see. That's not even a pun. Or funny. :V Are you saying Kcolor's are?
I'm saying they're at least puns.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Lykouleon
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
1660
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:11:07 -
[57] - Quote
Well this is disappointing to hear.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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Globby
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
270
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:11:55 -
[58] - Quote
                   
my reaction when this happens |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
2247
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:15:17 -
[59] - Quote
I rolled my face on my keyboard, too.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Xenuria
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1019
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:20:50 -
[60] - Quote
REFORM THE CSM!
Vote Xenuria~
Seriously though, I said this stuff would happen. You didn't listen.
Literal writing on the wall, that half the community ignored.
A former member of the CSM even went so far as to compare my reform platform to the gestapo.
If the CSM is to survive it needs to change and grow like any other system within this living story we call EvE Online.
CSM 11 Candidate
My Lore Predictions
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Globby
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
274
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:32:02 -
[61] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:REFORM THE CSM!
Vote Xenuria
Xenuria wrote:REFORM THE CSM!
Vote Xenuria
Xenuria wrote:REFORM THE CSM!
Vote Xenuria
Xenuria wrote:REFORM THE CSM!
Vote Xenuria
Xenuria wrote:REFORM THE CSM!
Vote Xenuria
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Daugan
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
6
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:40:12 -
[62] - Quote
Xenuria for CSM. |
Marsha Mallow
2715
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:49:11 -
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If Xenuria is not installed to reform the CSM and bring these useless muppetoids inline, it will be a travesty of the democratic process and an infringement of our civil liberties. And we might riot. Or something >.>
I was feeling part of the scenery ~
I walked right out of the machinery
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Bobmon
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
152
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Posted - 2015.11.05 18:02:08 -
[64] - Quote
Don't know what happened, but I must say im very sad to see manny go.
Also for you guys wondering, I would have been next in line and I'm very sad that I don't at least get the chance to proof myself as a CSM member. I understand that there is not a lot of time left, but other csms have been replaced around this time as well and I've not heard anything negative from them. I would have been a guy to show community feedback to CCP idea's which I think is much needed atm.
anyhowsss..... still pretty sad about this situation as i've voted for manny myself
EN24 CEO / Chief Editor
[@BobmonEve][2] - Third Party Service - #HABIT - Bobmon for CSM
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MissBolyai
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
146
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Posted - 2015.11.05 18:14:22 -
[65] - Quote
lmao csm is a joke anyway |
Leaq
Tackled In Belt
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4
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Posted - 2015.11.05 18:25:33 -
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Xenuria wrote:REFORM THE CSM!
Vote Xenuria~
Seriously though, I said this stuff would happen. You didn't listen.
Literal writing on the wall, that half the community ignored.
A former member of the CSM even went so far as to compare my reform platform to the gestapo.
If the CSM is to survive it needs to change and grow like any other system within this living story we call EvE Online.
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx supports Xenuria for CSM. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2373
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Posted - 2015.11.05 18:37:04 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:If he would've been replaced, I wonder who would've been in line ? Lorelei.
I might run an anti-Tora campaign if you run again.
I hope I did take votes away from you this last round.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Globby
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
274
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Posted - 2015.11.05 19:21:02 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:If he would've been replaced, I wonder who would've been in line ? Lorelei. I might run an anti-Tora campaign if you run again. I hope I did take votes away from you this last round.
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NinjaTurtle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2015.11.05 19:49:05 -
[69] - Quote
ugh, if you guys are gunna kick people from the csm at least give a hint as to why
faith in ccp isnt exactly unshakable right now and making people feel like their votes dont count isn't gunna help with the whole not taking the CSM seriously vibe going on
I do things.
http://declarationsofwar.com
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AwoxingBravespymaster McBlueshoter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.05 19:57:06 -
[70] - Quote
Xenuria for csm, the candidate ccp deserves. |
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Styx Sertan
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.11.05 20:05:52 -
[71] - Quote
replace manny with xenuria, you've earned it CCP. |
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
123
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Posted - 2015.11.05 21:21:48 -
[72] - Quote
CCP Leeloo wrote:
The reasoning for his removal will of course remain confidential between CCP and Manfred, and we would like to thank him for his contributions during his term with CSM X.
- CCP Leeloo
This is really daft. Now everyone is going to be continually accusing us of getting insider information. If this is the case, you should tell us, not only for everyone else's sake, but for the people of PL who got VERY frustrated at manny because he would go OUT OF HIS WAY not to break NDA. You can read our forums if you like.
Don't get me wrong, I'll be as pissed as you are if it turns out hes been leaking stuff, but you need to explain why, because this doesnt just affect CCP, it affects every member of PL and brings into question an entire slew of things which may or may not have been influenced by this so called leaking.
We need answers, and manny wouldn't tell us because hes not like that. So you have to. Put some big boy/girl pants on and sort it out. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
2250
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Posted - 2015.11.05 21:41:38 -
[73] - Quote
Mr Rive wrote:CCP Leeloo wrote:
The reasoning for his removal will of course remain confidential between CCP and Manfred, and we would like to thank him for his contributions during his term with CSM X.
- CCP Leeloo
This is really daft. Now everyone is going to be continually accusing us of getting insider information. If this is the case, you should tell us, not only for everyone else's sake, but for the people of PL who got VERY frustrated at manny because he would go OUT OF HIS WAY not to break NDA. You can read our forums if you like. Don't get me wrong, I'll be as pissed as you are if it turns out hes been leaking stuff, but you need to explain why, because this doesnt just affect CCP, it affects every member of PL and brings into question an entire slew of things which may or may not have been influenced by this so called leaking. We need answers, and manny wouldn't tell us because hes not like that. So you have to. Put some big boy/girl pants on and sort it out.
I don't really know what's going on here, but I feel like in the case that anything WAS leaked, posting the leak on a forum would be a pretty daft idea. It'd be quite a bit safer to do it via IRC, especially with something like OTR protecting the conversation.
Again, my frame of reference for what actually happened is nil, but it's fairly easy to eliminate a forum as a credible "alibi."
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Mai Khumm
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
691
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Posted - 2015.11.05 21:50:12 -
[74] - Quote
Mr Rive wrote:. You can read our forums if you like.
Not to say anyone is leaking anything...
...but anyone who's leaking NDA info, anywhere, not just here. Who's worth 2 grains of salt knows never to leak anything in such a manner where the source can't be pointed elsewhere, and impossible to trace back to the individual.
Which makes the quote in question literally worthless...
Toronto EVE Thread!
[email protected]
@Toronto_EVE
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
115
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Posted - 2015.11.05 22:01:23 -
[75] - Quote
HIS NAME WAS ADAM RIDGWAY! |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
2250
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Posted - 2015.11.05 23:28:54 -
[76] - Quote
Globby wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:If he would've been replaced, I wonder who would've been in line ? Lorelei. I might run an anti-Tora campaign if you run again. I hope I did take votes away from you this last round. who are you
Beat me too it
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD
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Duckslayer
Semicompetence Online
59
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Posted - 2015.11.06 00:13:22 -
[77] - Quote
Manfred got Trasslered. A Trasslering has occurred here boys. Trasslerisation has commenced.
#Free Larkonis |
digi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
206
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Posted - 2015.11.06 01:03:55 -
[78] - Quote
I told you he was a spy. |
TurboX3
Hax.
Shadow Cartel
145
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Posted - 2015.11.06 08:18:41 -
[79] - Quote
Bobmon for CSM, the leak actually came from CFC.... but hey awaiting all the haters!
No Trolling Please
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Lugia3
The Africans
Bad Intention
1500
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Posted - 2015.11.06 08:40:09 -
[80] - Quote
Xenuria for CSMXI
"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Remove Sov!
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Xenuria
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1024
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Posted - 2015.11.06 09:24:33 -
[81] - Quote
Lugia3 wrote:Xenuria for CSMXI
Reform the CSM!
CSM 11 Candidate
My Lore Predictions
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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
125
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Posted - 2015.11.06 10:27:51 -
[82] - Quote
Mai Khumm wrote:Mr Rive wrote:. You can read our forums if you like. Not to say anyone is leaking anything... ...but anyone who's leaking NDA info, anywhere, not just here. Who's worth 2 grains of salt knows never to leak anything in such a manner where the source can't be pointed elsewhere, and impossible to trace back to the individual. Which makes the quote in question literally worthless...
My point was simply to state that he was not leaking anything on our forums which are accessible to most members. The more people who were unaware of his leaking, the better.
I said in the tournament thread, that I intentionally don't want to know things, because the less I know, the less I can accidentally tell other people. I trust the people in charge to do the right thing. So far, this trust has not been broken, and I would hate this to be the first time it was.
I am INCREDIBLY doubtful that manny leaked anything. Period. I have had dozens of private conversations with him about possible changes CCP has announced, and every time I have brought up an alternative, he has said 'something might be in the works, but its nda sorry cant talk about it'. He wouldn't even give me a hint if i was in the right direction, and in the end it meant i stopped discussing it with him privately because we could never get anywhere, he was THAT CAREFUL.
I know PL very well, and I can see NO KIND of indication that anyone has taken advantage of unkown changes to influence market speculation, for instance. I am reluctant to be proven wrong, both because it would mean someone in my alliance was cheating, but also because it means my trust in manny was misplaced, much like MANY other people in the alliance who hit an NDA brick wall every time they tried to discuss stuff with him.
The suggestion to read our forums lets CCP both understand what access people had, and so what knowledge they had of any suspected cheating, and it also shows how manny acted towards most of us when it came to NDA rules. They can decide if he broke the NDA using that, but not rule out the possibility of him breaking NDA because of things like IRC logs.
What I want is proof. Proof for my alliance, proof for myself, and proof for the people who think they have been unfairly cheated because of these suspected NDA breaches. It brings EVERYTHING in to question that we have done since Manny became CSM, and that is not okay for anyone. |
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
125
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Posted - 2015.11.06 10:38:47 -
[83] - Quote
Mai Khumm wrote:Mr Rive wrote:. You can read our forums if you like. Not to say anyone is leaking anything... ...but anyone who's leaking NDA info, anywhere, not just here. Who's worth 2 grains of salt knows never to leak anything in such a manner where the source can't be pointed elsewhere, and impossible to trace back to the individual. Which makes the quote in question literally worthless...
Coming from me it doesn't. Coming from someone like Elise, who has access to everything, it absolutely doesn't. It's fair to say I dont know everything about PL's inner workings, and I cannot rule out the possibility he shared something with someone privately that I am obllivious to. But I have spoken to him, at length, in the past, and know this is not something he would do flippantly, or in order to give PL an advantage. The offer for CCP to read our forums was to show that we are being as open as we POSSIBLY can be about this. Hell, I know Elise has made the same offer in the past.
CCP want to keep this matter between themselves and Manny, even though, in exceptional circumstances (like hydra cheating) everyone knew everything, and all of the information regarding the bannings in the tournament were completely publicised. Perhaps because CCP had proof. Because this is not the case in this particular incident, I cannot help but feel CCP does not have any proof.
This isn't a democracy, CCP get to decide what to do. But the fact they won't tell us is going to create a bad vibe between us. We want to be open on this. Unless CCP can show us proof, then I have to call their accusations bullshit. I know manny, I certainly dont know the CCP employees who chose to remove him. So until anything changes, I'm siding with manny on this, and saying that his removal from the CSM was based on poor assumption, rather than objective fact. |
Malou Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2015.11.06 13:14:52 -
[84] - Quote
The Judge wrote:I have full faith that CCP has hard proof of "something" Manny did, or didn't, do. I would be surprised if this had anything to do with the upcoming capital changes. I would hope Manny had better judgement than to leak, having been in the public eye for a number of years now. I will leave my tinfoil hat and pitchfork in the cupboard for now... I suggest people do the same.
All that being said, I really hope we can do away with this revolving door of CSM members next term.
There is your first mistake, right there:
Having faith in CCP...
CCP Philosophy ==>>
If it works, break it. If itGÇÖs broken, leave it and break something else. Ignore all Forum comments that raise issues and concerns about our "features", and bring said "features" in anyway.
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Malou Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2015.11.06 13:15:47 -
[85] - Quote
Mr Rive wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:Mr Rive wrote:. You can read our forums if you like. Not to say anyone is leaking anything... ...but anyone who's leaking NDA info, anywhere, not just here. Who's worth 2 grains of salt knows never to leak anything in such a manner where the source can't be pointed elsewhere, and impossible to trace back to the individual. Which makes the quote in question literally worthless... My point was simply to state that he was not leaking anything on our forums which are accessible to most members. The more people who were unaware of his accused leaking, the better, because it means people are not guilty of obscuring the behaviour. I said in the tournament thread, that I intentionally don't want to know things, because the less I know, the less I can accidentally tell other people. I trust the people in charge to do the right thing. So far, this trust has not been broken, and I would hate this to be the first time it was. I am INCREDIBLY doubtful that manny leaked anything. Period. I have had dozens of private conversations with him about possible changes CCP has announced, and every time I have brought up an alternative, he has said 'something might be in the works, but its nda sorry cant talk about it'. He wouldn't even give me a hint if i was in the right direction, and in the end it meant i stopped discussing it with him privately because we could never get anywhere, he was THAT CAREFUL. I know PL very well, and I can see NO KIND of indication that anyone has taken advantage of unkown changes to influence market speculation, for instance. I am reluctant to be proven wrong, both because it would mean someone in my alliance was cheating, but also because it means my trust in manny was misplaced, much like MANY other people in the alliance who hit an NDA brick wall every time they tried to discuss stuff with him. The suggestion to read our forums lets CCP both understand what access people had, and so what knowledge they had of any suspected cheating, and it also shows how manny acted towards most of us when it came to NDA rules. They can decide if he broke the NDA using that, but not rule out the possibility of him breaking NDA because of things like IRC logs. What I want is proof. Proof for my alliance, proof for myself, and proof for the people who think they have been unfairly cheated because of these suspected NDA breaches. It brings EVERYTHING in to question that we have done since Manny became CSM, and that is not okay for anyone.
Absolutely....PL have no history of ever doing anything like this before.
Oh wait....
CCP Philosophy ==>>
If it works, break it. If itGÇÖs broken, leave it and break something else. Ignore all Forum comments that raise issues and concerns about our "features", and bring said "features" in anyway.
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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
125
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Posted - 2015.11.06 13:38:37 -
[86] - Quote
Malou Hashur wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:Mr Rive wrote:. You can read our forums if you like. Not to say anyone is leaking anything... ...but anyone who's leaking NDA info, anywhere, not just here. Who's worth 2 grains of salt knows never to leak anything in such a manner where the source can't be pointed elsewhere, and impossible to trace back to the individual. Which makes the quote in question literally worthless... My point was simply to state that he was not leaking anything on our forums which are accessible to most members. The more people who were unaware of his accused leaking, the better, because it means people are not guilty of obscuring the behaviour. I said in the tournament thread, that I intentionally don't want to know things, because the less I know, the less I can accidentally tell other people. I trust the people in charge to do the right thing. So far, this trust has not been broken, and I would hate this to be the first time it was. I am INCREDIBLY doubtful that manny leaked anything. Period. I have had dozens of private conversations with him about possible changes CCP has announced, and every time I have brought up an alternative, he has said 'something might be in the works, but its nda sorry cant talk about it'. He wouldn't even give me a hint if i was in the right direction, and in the end it meant i stopped discussing it with him privately because we could never get anywhere, he was THAT CAREFUL. I know PL very well, and I can see NO KIND of indication that anyone has taken advantage of unkown changes to influence market speculation, for instance. I am reluctant to be proven wrong, both because it would mean someone in my alliance was cheating, but also because it means my trust in manny was misplaced, much like MANY other people in the alliance who hit an NDA brick wall every time they tried to discuss stuff with him. The suggestion to read our forums lets CCP both understand what access people had, and so what knowledge they had of any suspected cheating, and it also shows how manny acted towards most of us when it came to NDA rules. They can decide if he broke the NDA using that, but not rule out the possibility of him breaking NDA because of things like IRC logs. What I want is proof. Proof for my alliance, proof for myself, and proof for the people who think they have been unfairly cheated because of these suspected NDA breaches. It brings EVERYTHING in to question that we have done since Manny became CSM, and that is not okay for anyone. Absolutely....PL have no history of ever doing anything like this before. Oh wait....
Oh wait... What? Examples? If you say the sphere I'll laugh at you. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1889
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Posted - 2015.11.06 14:02:38 -
[87] - Quote
Mr Rive wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:Mr Rive wrote:. You can read our forums if you like. Not to say anyone is leaking anything... ...but anyone who's leaking NDA info, anywhere, not just here. Who's worth 2 grains of salt knows never to leak anything in such a manner where the source can't be pointed elsewhere, and impossible to trace back to the individual. Which makes the quote in question literally worthless... Coming from me it doesn't. Coming from someone like Elise, who has access to everything, it absolutely doesn't. It's fair to say I dont know everything about PL's inner workings, and I cannot rule out the possibility he shared something with someone privately that I am obllivious to. But I have spoken to him, at length, in the past, and know this is not something he would do flippantly, or in order to give PL an advantage. The offer for CCP to read our forums was to show that we are being as open as we POSSIBLY can be about this. Hell, I know Elise has made the same offer in the past. CCP want to keep this matter between themselves and Manny, even though, in exceptional circumstances (like hydra cheating) everyone knew everything, and all of the information regarding the bannings in the tournament were completely publicised. Perhaps because CCP had proof. Because this is not the case in this particular incident, I cannot help but feel CCP does not have any proof. This isn't a democracy, CCP get to decide what to do. But the fact they won't tell us is going to create a bad vibe between us. We want to be open on this. Unless CCP can show us proof, then I have to call their accusations bullshit. I know manny, I certainly dont know the CCP employees who chose to remove him. So until anything changes, I'm siding with manny on this, and saying that his removal from the CSM was based on poor assumption, rather than objective fact.
As someone who was in the know. He is guilty. I know you probably don't want to take my word for it but he very much was.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
125
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Posted - 2015.11.06 16:10:11 -
[88] - Quote
Aryth wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:Mr Rive wrote:. You can read our forums if you like. Not to say anyone is leaking anything... ...but anyone who's leaking NDA info, anywhere, not just here. Who's worth 2 grains of salt knows never to leak anything in such a manner where the source can't be pointed elsewhere, and impossible to trace back to the individual. Which makes the quote in question literally worthless... Coming from me it doesn't. Coming from someone like Elise, who has access to everything, it absolutely doesn't. It's fair to say I dont know everything about PL's inner workings, and I cannot rule out the possibility he shared something with someone privately that I am obllivious to. But I have spoken to him, at length, in the past, and know this is not something he would do flippantly, or in order to give PL an advantage. The offer for CCP to read our forums was to show that we are being as open as we POSSIBLY can be about this. Hell, I know Elise has made the same offer in the past. CCP want to keep this matter between themselves and Manny, even though, in exceptional circumstances (like hydra cheating) everyone knew everything, and all of the information regarding the bannings in the tournament were completely publicised. Perhaps because CCP had proof. Because this is not the case in this particular incident, I cannot help but feel CCP does not have any proof. This isn't a democracy, CCP get to decide what to do. But the fact they won't tell us is going to create a bad vibe between us. We want to be open on this. Unless CCP can show us proof, then I have to call their accusations bullshit. I know manny, I certainly dont know the CCP employees who chose to remove him. So until anything changes, I'm siding with manny on this, and saying that his removal from the CSM was based on poor assumption, rather than objective fact. As someone who was in the know. He is guilty. I know you probably don't want to take my word for it but he very much was.
Don't take this the wrong way, but im not going to take your word for it no, especially not considering you're in goonswarm, an alliance i would seriously consider to be using CSM intel for market speculation.
IF you can show me proof of it however...
That being said, I think it's really ****** of you to come out and say 'yes he was cheating' without saying why, even if it is just to say 'it would not give PL an advantage' or the opposite. It sounds like youre trying to play petty politics.
This isnt a personal attack on you, but honestly, the CSM SHOULD (heh) be above politics and a way in which all alliances try and improve the game they play in. Using it to score cheap points seems like a really crappy thing to do. Either tell us what you know, or dont say anything, because you stir the pot and its not fair on anyone.
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Tairon Usaro
ZERO T0LERANCE
RAZOR Alliance
33
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Posted - 2015.11.06 16:23:13 -
[89] - Quote
The decission is undisputable, but sorry the communication is not good. To my eyes an elected CSM member must not be removed without a given reason, otherwise it questions the whole CSM role and process. I do not need to know the dirty details, but there should be top level reasons like breach of NDA, poor participation, personal reasons etc. which do harm the person who got removed too much, but give the voter a chance to understand why his vote is nullified. |
Ander
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
18
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Posted - 2015.11.06 18:12:28 -
[90] - Quote
I can offer CCP access to audit the PL forums if necessary.
This includes dellta-diff data for a long period back in time. (This is authenticated with a thirdparty service we use for backups, would be very hard for us to fake anything... unless we can move time backwards at Amazon.)
However, I seriously doubt Manny did anything that is related to PL. |
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1889
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Posted - 2015.11.06 19:28:05 -
[91] - Quote
Mr Rive wrote:Aryth wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:Mr Rive wrote:. You can read our forums if you like. Not to say anyone is leaking anything... ...but anyone who's leaking NDA info, anywhere, not just here. Who's worth 2 grains of salt knows never to leak anything in such a manner where the source can't be pointed elsewhere, and impossible to trace back to the individual. Which makes the quote in question literally worthless... Coming from me it doesn't. Coming from someone like Elise, who has access to everything, it absolutely doesn't. It's fair to say I dont know everything about PL's inner workings, and I cannot rule out the possibility he shared something with someone privately that I am obllivious to. But I have spoken to him, at length, in the past, and know this is not something he would do flippantly, or in order to give PL an advantage. The offer for CCP to read our forums was to show that we are being as open as we POSSIBLY can be about this. Hell, I know Elise has made the same offer in the past. CCP want to keep this matter between themselves and Manny, even though, in exceptional circumstances (like hydra cheating) everyone knew everything, and all of the information regarding the bannings in the tournament were completely publicised. Perhaps because CCP had proof. Because this is not the case in this particular incident, I cannot help but feel CCP does not have any proof. This isn't a democracy, CCP get to decide what to do. But the fact they won't tell us is going to create a bad vibe between us. We want to be open on this. Unless CCP can show us proof, then I have to call their accusations bullshit. I know manny, I certainly dont know the CCP employees who chose to remove him. So until anything changes, I'm siding with manny on this, and saying that his removal from the CSM was based on poor assumption, rather than objective fact. As someone who was in the know. He is guilty. I know you probably don't want to take my word for it but he very much was. Don't take this the wrong way, but im not going to take your word for it no, especially not considering you're in goonswarm, an alliance i would seriously consider to be using CSM intel for market speculation. IF you can show me proof of it however... That being said, I think it's really ****** of you to come out and say 'yes he was cheating' without saying why, even if it is just to say 'it would not give PL an advantage' or the opposite. It sounds like youre trying to play petty politics. This isnt a personal attack on you, but honestly, the CSM SHOULD (heh) be above politics and a way in which all alliances try and improve the game they play in. Using it to score cheap points seems like a really crappy thing to do. Either tell us what you know, or dont say anything, because you stir the pot and its not fair on anyone.
I leaked everything in had directly into structures tweetfleet slack for this very reason. Saying who leaked and what he leaked weeks in advance. Directly in front of CCP. So, yes, I have "proof" for the taking if you were one of those 350+ people who saw it.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
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Koz Katral
Hoover Inc.
Pandemic Legion
123
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Posted - 2015.11.06 21:47:40 -
[92] - Quote
Aryth wrote:
I leaked everything in had directly into structures tweetfleet slack for this very reason. Saying who leaked and what he leaked weeks in advance. Directly in front of CCP. So, yes, I have "proof" for the taking if you were one of those 350+ people who saw it.
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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
147
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Posted - 2015.11.06 23:46:54 -
[93] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:REFORM THE CSM!
Vote Xenuria~
Seriously though, I said this stuff would happen. You didn't listen.
Literal writing on the wall, that half the community ignored.
A former member of the CSM even went so far as to compare my reform platform to the gestapo.
If the CSM is to survive it needs to change and grow like any other system within this living story we call EvE Online.
http://capstable.net/blog/2015/01/12/xenuria/ Start about 9:07
Grrrr goon candidate becomes a goon candidate?
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
Hunter S. Thompson
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Vintare
Jedi Knight's Orden
Jedi Path
2
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Posted - 2015.11.07 11:24:03 -
[94] - Quote
Well, if people do not learn, CCP just should take legal action.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me more - get f***ing sued.
Otherwise people will not learn. NDA is not something to fool around with and it should be made apparent. Just make an example without any life breaking consequences for the removed CMS member, but send a message: next time it will be serious. |
Xenuria
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1025
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Posted - 2015.11.07 12:57:05 -
[95] - Quote
Burl en Daire wrote:Xenuria wrote:REFORM THE CSM!
Vote Xenuria~
Seriously though, I said this stuff would happen. You didn't listen.
Literal writing on the wall, that half the community ignored.
A former member of the CSM even went so far as to compare my reform platform to the gestapo.
If the CSM is to survive it needs to change and grow like any other system within this living story we call EvE Online. http://capstable.net/blog/2015/01/12/xenuria/ Start about 9:07 Grrrr goon candidate becomes a goon candidate?
I am not a goon candidate. I am first and foremost a reform candidate. Take your foot out of your mouth and check my employment history.
CSM 11 Candidate
My Lore Predictions
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Marsha Mallow
2723
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Posted - 2015.11.08 00:59:53 -
[96] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:I am not a goon candidate. I am first and foremost a reform candidate. Take your foot out of your mouth and check my employment history.
Actually, you are now. Whether they endorse you or not due to affiliation, yer a goon.
Welcome to dodging the very argument you lobbed at everyone else.
I am eagerly awaiting your attempts to wiggle out of this with a straight face.
Knowing they have more SP than I do isnGÇÖt going to stop me from taking the fight if I was going to take it.
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Tornii
The Scope
Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2015.11.08 09:18:01 -
[97] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Tornii wrote:I'm just curious - if the CSM is a democratically elected body responsible to its voters, how can reasons for such a change "of course remain confidential"? Because disciplinary action usually remains confidential unless initiated within the democratic process as a matter of protecting the privacy of the person being disciplined. Get your head out of the tabloid media, please.
You clearly missed my point there. I didn't ask why the reason remained confidential, I asked why it should /would "of course" happen so for any case.
Also, limit yourself to the point instead of adding nonsense in an effort to make your posts sound cooler, please.
Socialism must eradicate capitalism before capitalism eradicates civilisation
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17204
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:01:27 -
[98] - Quote
Xenuria
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation wrote:
I am not a goon candidate.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2391
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Posted - 2015.11.12 05:06:13 -
[99] - Quote
Mr Rive wrote:CCP Leeloo wrote:
The reasoning for his removal will of course remain confidential between CCP and Manfred, and we would like to thank him for his contributions during his term with CSM X.
- CCP Leeloo
This is really daft. Now everyone is going to be continually accusing us of getting insider information. If this is the case, you should tell us, not only for everyone else's sake, but for the people of PL who got VERY frustrated at manny because he would go OUT OF HIS WAY not to break NDA. You can read our forums if you like.
You you are saying you and your fellow alliance member were frustrated when he followed the rules? Could he have caved in under the pressure of his alliance?
Mr Rive wrote:
This isn't a democracy, CCP get to decide what to do. But the fact they won't tell us is going to create a bad vibe between us. We want to be open on this. Unless CCP can show us proof, then I have to call their accusations bullshit. I know manny, I certainly dont know the CCP employees who chose to remove him. So until anything changes, I'm siding with manny on this, and saying that his removal from the CSM was based on poor assumption, rather than objective fact.
Except that open the door for people to ask for reason for any judgement CCP ever does. Why should PL's CSM representative case be treated differently than any other disciplinary action taken by CCP?
Ander wrote:I can offer CCP access to audit the PL forums if necessary.
This includes dellta-diff data for a long period back in time. (This is authenticated with a thirdparty service we use for backups, would be very hard for us to fake anything... unless we can move time backwards at Amazon.)
However, I seriously doubt Manny did anything that is related to PL.
How about skype? Mumble? teamspeak? External e-mails? Phone calls? Any other communication means that could of been used to leak something while also being much harder to track back which in case of a leak happen to be a rather valuable "feature" for a communication media... Auditing your forum is useless unless you somehow could prove there is absolutely no possible way for info to be leaked else where. |
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KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation wrote:
I am not a goon candidate.
You can be certain that even if he gets a top spot on our ballot, enough Imperium people hate him for old reasons to bump him off their ballot completely
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