so your asking for an mjd for indis.?

What you are missing is that this is not needed.

Well... It would keep you from exploding at their whim.

If you have not realized this yet, the sole reason industry is in this game, from mining to hauling, is to provide gank targets for the PvP players. It's not to make EvE a world, it's not to provide full playstyles of their own.

That's why these 'professions' and their gameplay is stuck somewhere in 2005. Only direct predatory PvP players matter. If a suggestion makes something viable at the expense of that thing exploding to crap like gate camps, then it's a non-starter.

you know if you log off, your freighter disappears in 30 seconds right?

It's not a problem, and there are several better ways around bumping.

Capital ships, especially freighters, are not solo ships, nor should they be.

Heh, for a miner, if you get bumped, you were afk.

I'm going to tell you that when you're not at your keyboard, you get what you deserve.

Heh, for a miner, if you get bumped, you were afk.

I'm going to tell you that when you're not at your keyboard, you get what you deserve.

It's not much of a leap, no. Unless they saw the Stabber hurtling at them and just said "meh", then they weren't there to do anything about it.

If they weren't paying attention, they also deserve it.

Nope.

They're bad players, and that's why they didn't get away to begin with.

Is it really that hard to watch local, or web your freighter? Seriously, quit trying to put in mechanics to enable people who are actively not playing the game.




They aren't, unless he's dumb enough to be afk.

Pretty sure not being at your keyboard is not playing the game by any definition, no matter how delusional.

I do it all the time.

And if they weren't afk they would not be getting bumped.

This is a non problem.

Not if they were a miner. If they were a hauler, they should have had webs.

Stop trying to have CCP cover your failure to play the game properly.

No one cares what you think. Least of all about the one thing in the game that's been nerfed even more than the Drake already.

It does not matter whether it's a personal thing or not for you. It doesn't make you any less wrong.

I already explained precisely why you're wrong, you just keep repeating your same nonsense about how people who aren't at their keyboards deserve to not die.

And then you revealed what was obvious to begin with, that you only really want to nerf ganking.

Oh, and it's not against the rules to disagree with terrible, selfish, one sided ideas like yours.

Except that his basic claim is a complete, utter lie.

There are more than a few ways around bumping, the first of which is actually being at your keyboard. Stop trying to excuse people not actually playing the game.

And I've told you that you don't get bumped as a miner unless you were afk.

So what it really boils down to is you wanting to make freighters into solo ships. You want to remove the need for an escort of any kind.

And that's unacceptable.

They weren't all afk (just the ones who got bumped, mostly), but everyone who gets ganked deserves it.

I will never push for more PvP in this game, especially the predatory gankbear style that feeds the toxic sociopaths this game is famous for.

I am not saying that the current situation where PvP guys get to play a game they enjoy with full support of development and you get to pay to be their 'content' with the occasional bone thrown your way to keep you interested is good, right, fair, or in any way a positive thing. I'm just saying that suggesting a mechanical change that results in a gankbear losing a kill will be met with scorn from 90% of the forum, and if your concern is ever acknowledged by the current Devs it will be handwaved away with a simplistic quip that boils down to everything is balanced so long as PVE guy explodes to PVP guy.

Rather, take your enjoyment from shaking your exhaust in the Gankbears face as you trip along through EVE doing your own thing. You cannot win against an enemy who has nothing of value to lose and who's only goal is to make sure anything you value is ruined. This is not a game with competitive PVP. The literal only way to win is to have nothing to lose.

Would be great in lowsec and nullsec pvp.

Going to lose your Titan, emergency warp then jump out.
Going to lose your dread, emergency warp and then jump out.
Being primaried and logi can't keep you up, emergency warp and then warp back in.
Small ships chasing logi or ewar, emergency warp then warp back on grid in a new position.

This would totally break many aspects of pvp to solve something that can be easily countered by other means.

Always the same with suggestions. Instead of people taking responsibility for their safety and using existing mechanics to their advantage, it's always calls for more mechanics to help overcome mistakes or laziness.

OP's idea is stupendously horrible. You do not need a new mechanic to prevent freighters or miners from getting ganked.

I mined for years in all spaces of this game. Not since the first time I lost a Hulk to gankers almost 8 years ago, before I learned how to avoid being ganked, have I lost an Exhumer.

I've also flown the first, and only, freighter I ever bought all over highsec. Not once have I been bumped or ganked in it.

I know you don't want to hear it, but the truth is simply that, if you fly them right, you are nearly 100% safe flying mining ships and freighters around in highsec. You don't need some new gimick to save you. You need to stop being bad at EvE.

You are acting like freighters are not suppose to explode in highsec. Bumping and ganking are intended gameplay you as a hauler are suppose to deal with. This is a feature of Eve Online.

CCP is not going to give you a get-out-of-PvP-free card so you can fly your freighter unescorted and AFK. It would break so much of the conflict everywhere in Eve, not just highsec, just so that someone autopiloting an unsupported freighter who notices that they are being bumped when their Netflix show finishes can save it. Perhaps the interdiction mechanics can be improved for highsec pirates, but no matter what you will be require to spend some effort and resources to protect your super-hauler. Bumping will not be "fixed" by CCP with them giving you an opt-out button for PvP.

Hauler bumping, and miner bumping for that matter are almost completely avoidable. Use a web alt and fly a Procurer or Skiff which have been buffed to the point they are nearly impossible to bump reliably when in motion, at least for me. But if you want to play a game where you can grind and build stuff without worry of being subject to the other players in the universe, you are playing the wrong game.

There is a reason highsec gankers rely on bumping to tackle freighters. It takes longer than 30 seconds to get a fleet to the target, even if they are completely on standby and without criminal timers. This would force gankers to use neutral gankers and massively increase the costs of ganking as well as make hauler pilots much safer.

Why should you get to evade another player when try start a PvP engagement? Doesn't really seem fair. I'm not against a some sort of counter to perma-bumping, but a magic button that allows you to escape solo in 30s is way too slippery. Freighters are capital ships that should require a support fleet to fly and to escape from bumping.

But that aside, gankers already routinely use a suicide noobship every 15 minutes to keep players from logging off and ships from disappearing from space. If your warp idea is subject to the same log-off timer after receiving weapons fire, what does it add over the current log-off? Why add an immersion-breaking exception to the warp mechanics to add functionality that is essentially already there?

why can you not just safe logoff?

Didn't say fair on the box.

In fact one of eve's biggest selling points is just that.

As to it being "unfair" to hold someone in space with no option except to perhaps to logoff, it is literally how the game works everywhere outside of highsec and has since the game was released. Ships get tackled and their owner's have no choice but to fight (or explode). This ability is necessary or everyone's internet connection would suddenly "fail" when they were caught so they could conveniently disappear from space, and no ships, especially big ships which require fleets to kill, would die.

So find a quieter place to mine? They do exist. The 0.5 system three jumps away from a trade hub is a really good place to get hit, because the gankers don't have to go far after buying their suicide catas. The 0.5 system 10 jumps away is a real pain to haul stuff in and out of, but local is usually not 20 people and the gankers usually don't bother flying that far.

Usually.

Why not just web your freighter? You guys are so quick to yell at pirates but we always put a scout in system, and more often than not bring webs when we move our carriers, dreads, oh and our freighters. This is through low-sec as well as highsec.... Not lost a freighter yet.


As for bumbing an exhumer? Can those things get MWDs? I think they have midslots O_O Though really I wouldn't use an exhumer in highsec for the exact same reason I don't PVE in a bling fit marauder.

So let me get this straight....

You want to play solo and not spend the time or effort to organize even the most minimal escort.

And at the same time Mommy and Daddy (i.e. CCP) should come hold your hand and pat your poo poo so that the guys who did spend the time and effort to gank you can't.

Have I summed up your entitled and self-righteous position sufficiently?