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Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.01.03 19:01:00 - [31] I doubt that there will be many people truely effected by an IP range block. Its not as if they couldn't ask their friends or corp mates to host files on another site like FileFront if needed..
Soporo	Posted - 2007.01.03 20:08:00 - [32] Oh look, more problems from China, fancy that...
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.03 20:58:00 - [33] Intresting. I was running an ftp server at home for a long time and ALL spam/entry attempts were traced back to china. They sure seem to love running those bots. Id just ban the whole range tbh.
Xaroth Brook Minmatar Doomcraft	Posted - 2007.01.03 21:14:00 - [34] Chribba, maybe 'limiting' the amount of hits PER IP/<timespan> rather than a 'global' limit, and apply that to files >X bytes. Example: any single IP can only request 2 files OVER 524288 bytes (512kB) PER minute. that way, the 12 different ip's can only request 24 files per minute, rather than.. 9k? for the people who use it 'normally' won't notice it that much, plus the forum signatures won't be affected... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Xaroth Brook Brainiac of Doomcraft
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.03 21:17:00 - [35] Originally by: Xaroth Brook Chribba, maybe 'limiting' the amount of hits PER IP/<timespan> rather than a 'global' limit, and apply that to files >X bytes. Example: any single IP can only request 2 files OVER 524288 bytes (512kB) PER minute. that way, the 12 different ip's can only request 24 files per minute, rather than.. 9k? for the people who use it 'normally' won't notice it that much, plus the forum signatures won't be affected... I like the idea. --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
Jin Jemai Caldari Nightgliders Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.03 21:19:00 - [36] Chribba Recently I've been using a program called Free download manager to download vids off of eve-files. Is this sort of program that creates a small number of limited connections to download a single file causing similar negative effects as well?
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.03 21:29:00 - [37] Originally by: Jin Jemai Chribba Recently I've been using a program called Free download manager to download vids off of eve-files. Is this sort of program that creates a small number of limited connections to download a single file causing similar negative effects as well? well you are creating more server work and using up a little more of whatever max pipe he has (think chribba still uses a max pipe, ul BW deal) but I dont think your a drop in the ocean to 9k bot requests :)

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.01.03 21:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Xaroth Brook Chribba, maybe 'limiting' the amount of hits PER IP/<timespan> rather than a 'global' limit, and apply that to files >X bytes. Example: any single IP can only request 2 files OVER 524288 bytes (512kB) PER minute. that way, the 12 different ip's can only request 24 files per minute, rather than.. 9k? for the people who use it 'normally' won't notice it that much, plus the forum signatures won't be affected... Got any software/hardware that does this for me and I'll have a closer look? Originally by: Hakera Originally by: Jin Jemai Chribba Recently I've been using a program called Free download manager to download vids off of eve-files. Is this sort of program that creates a small number of limited connections to download a single file causing similar negative effects as well? well you are creating more server work and using up a little more of whatever max pipe he has (think chribba still uses a max pipe, ul BW deal) but I dont think your a drop in the ocean to 9k bot requests :) Exactly, there's always multiple connections from every IP, loading for example 4 different signature images from a thread, download managers etc but I seriously doubt that your download manager opens up more than 20 pipes at the same time. EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Dark Kavar Caldari Even-Flow Legiones Astartes	Posted - 2007.01.03 21:59:00 - [39] I use norton anti-virus, but I guess I can live without eve-files I am in your system, mining your veldspar
Kahor Minmatar Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.03 22:02:00 - [40] Originally by: Dark Kavar I use norton anti-virus, but I guess I can live without eve-files Make yourself a favor, and use avast antivirus. Friendly advice. ---------------- An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
Xaroth Brook Minmatar Doomcraft	Posted - 2007.01.03 22:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Xaroth Brook Chribba, maybe 'limiting' the amount of hits PER IP/<timespan> rather than a 'global' limit, and apply that to files >X bytes. Example: any single IP can only request 2 files OVER 524288 bytes (512kB) PER minute. that way, the 12 different ip's can only request 24 files per minute, rather than.. 9k? for the people who use it 'normally' won't notice it that much, plus the forum signatures won't be affected... Got any software/hardware that does this for me and I'll have a closer look? Originally by: Hakera Originally by: Jin Jemai Chribba Recently I've been using a program called Free download manager to download vids off of eve-files. Is this sort of program that creates a small number of limited connections to download a single file causing similar negative effects as well? well you are creating more server work and using up a little more of whatever max pipe he has (think chribba still uses a max pipe, ul BW deal) but I dont think your a drop in the ocean to 9k bot requests :) Exactly, there's always multiple connections from every IP, loading for example 4 different signature images from a thread, download managers etc but I seriously doubt that your download manager opens up more than 20 pipes at the same time. .htaccess combined with php? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Xaroth Brook Brainiac of Doomcraft
Ultim8Evil Lunar Dawn Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.03 22:05:00 - [42] Block China 4tw. If they can get their own special EVE server, they can damn well get their own EVE-Files site. --------------------------------------------------------------------

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.01.03 22:24:00 - [43] Originally by: Dark Kavar I use norton anti-virus, but I guess I can live without eve-files This is regarding Norton Internet Security Firewall mofo, if you can access EVE-Files now, then you are OK as I put in the block a few hours ago. /c EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Thommy	Posted - 2007.01.03 22:56:00 - [44] Edited by: Thommy on 03/01/2007 23:01:50 Even though maybe a somewhat easy solution to just grab other people their code (though that site has been set up just for this reason), but it seems to be very complete. See Hotscripts got some examples. The first called netquery seems promising (given PHP is what you do need). There are more sorts of code but in this case i think its best not to reinvent the wheel but to use an proven excisting packet. On a sidenote i believe AJAX has some nice scripting for this task aswell though i cant find a good example where it is deployed (though i can imagine google useing it). *edited for proper link Guide to fix eve problems. Cleanup your cache with my cache tool
Niaski Zalani Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.03 23:09:00 - [45] Well, it might be better to mod your code some and keep track of requests, see how many reqs/sec come in, or whatever means you have to determine if an IP is being abusive or not, then stick em in the firewall or something. If you wouldn't be using asp (I guess you still are :P) and running on Linux with Apache I'd have just the perfect Apache module for you :D yarr.
Xaroth Brook Minmatar Doomcraft	Posted - 2007.01.03 23:52:00 - [46] IIS w/ ASP / Apache w/ ASP will work as well, as long as there's some kind of url rewriting done to proxy all requests through a script... But I talked to a mate of mine who knows more about this ****.. he said that it'd be less effort to just ban the entire content of China from accessing the files. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Xaroth Brook Brainiac of Doomcraft
Chamadra	Posted - 2007.01.04 00:25:00 - [47] Edited by: Chamadra on 04/01/2007 00:31:54 Edited by: Chamadra on 04/01/2007 00:31:25 I don't imagine this would work since it's unlikely the bots will be well behaved. But it's simple and easy to try. Have you created a robots.txt file and then deny access to your site by putting: User-agent: * Disallow: / in the txt file. Most likely the bots created by them will just ignore this but they may not as the standard is to follow the instructions in this file and if they are creating bots from a standard framework it may just work. This file should be placed at the site root.
Chamadra	Posted - 2007.01.04 00:30:00 - [48] The other possibility would be to use buttons and drop downs instead of hard code links. Then use php scripting or something to retreive the page content. That way your requests would look like mysite.com/getfile.php&file=1 or something similar. That would obscure your content from the bots and prevent them from being able to easily search your site.
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.04 01:03:00 - [49] im just wondering with the taiwan cable down perhaps the chinesse are looking for a way to route their traffic elsewhere like using remote ping in australia UAE etc. The net itself since the fibre optics in taiwan were cut seems to be dodgy. Playing eve is dangerous Pick out the say the worst 5 offending IPs and block them or just require registration and then limit the amount per registered account. Make registration a bit difficult to thro use of manual conformation etc Perhaps the chinesse eve players want movies on how to mega mine veld via the chinesse test server lol.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.01.04 10:44:00 - [50] For those of you who love stats and stuff like that, this is what a normal China-visitor-day looks like on my screen. Linkage And as you can see they connect and just keep requesting stuff, this guy however was nice enough to only use one connection, some of the bots seem to have bigger problems as they spam with connections. EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Michael Lonewolf Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.05 07:08:00 - [51] I know it's not constructive...but you know, China has some harsh laws anyway, when are they going to enact a death penalty for spammers? After all, spammers really are just thieves on all (computing) humanity's time.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.01.05 07:08:00 - [52] I used to have problems on my site with bots and all kinds of evil things. I blocked all of the Chinese IP ranges. The problems suddenly went away. Maybe it's the way the government wants to censorship, spam everyone else until they block China in order to stop the spam.
ghost st	Posted - 2007.01.05 07:12:00 - [53] Edited by: ghost st on 05/01/2007 07:18:45 Theyre trying to get to chribba's secret veld-p0rn collection!
Tareen Kashaar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 07:12:00 - [54] Originally by: Michael Lonewolf I know it's not constructive...but you know, China has some harsh laws anyway, when are they going to enact a death penalty for spammers? After all, spammers really are just thieves on all (computing) humanity's time. In a way, that's like saying you're a thief for stealing my breathing air. Good luck with fixing this Chribba, and just letting you know your service to this community is very much appreciated :) --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
gfldex	Posted - 2007.01.05 07:41:00 - [55] Originally by: Xaroth Brook Chribba, maybe 'limiting' the amount of hits PER IP/<timespan> rather than a 'global' limit, and apply that to files >X bytes. AFAIK a lot FW got limits on the tables that hold the accounting data. If there are to many connections in a short period of time the tables overflow and wont have much of an effect. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Xsag Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.05 08:12:00 - [56] norton personal firewall or anything norton based is junk anyway PUNISH THE FOOLISH!!! :-) ~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ / ~~Muvolailen~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.05 08:29:00 - [57] Quote: Leon Degeling of www.consumentenbond.nl emailed me to let me know what it was - its caused by the Norton Internet Security personal firewall, which creates it as part of its referer mangling process. ( no idea if your dutch or not ) but.. First of all the consumentenbond is a respected and powerfull organisation in the netherlands that protect the dutch public from making mistakes or give out an advise on which product is better then the other and give an explenation why.. my suggestion besides what you are doing already to resolve the problem, is to mail @ Norton and ask them for an official statement.. Mabe they are working on an patch. or mabe they arent aware of the problem with there software. regards g6 ->My Vids<- CCP= More skilz more moneh!
Stevie mcStepherson Second Wave Supplies	Posted - 2007.01.05 08:38:00 - [58] One way that we at work stop bots from harvesting email addresses etc is to have a little script that checks if the request has come directly from the server or if it is from a user. So what then happens is if a user then clicks on the contact us link it will go to the contact us page. if someone types it in on the url bar it redirects to a blank page. It may not be 100% perfect but we hate spammers . anyway in theory you could expand on this code, put the eve-o servers on the "allow list" and still have the same functionality for the sigs. Links to videos would have to go to a page with a link on that the user has to "click" to access the video. Drop me a mail if you would like to look at this php code.
Boo Koo	Posted - 2007.01.05 09:01:00 - [59] just have a new banner made for the site with links to anti Chinise goverment information... you will find in days that they will block access to the site for you
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Boo Koo just have a new banner made for the site with links to anti Chinise goverment information... you will find in days that they will block access to the site for you Just put a bunch of keywords. Starting with democracy, human rights, and justice.

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