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Rumbaar
Solitary Forsaken
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Posted - 2007.01.06 08:35:00 -
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Wouldn't blocking the IP range just force them to move to another country? I know I get a lot of attacks from open proxies in Russia and various European countries.
Also you've also made it clear to others that making people register would be not an option, people would also need to know that these spammers/bots quickly have steps in place to automate any registration process and just make accounts to trawl.
It's a tough problem and I wish you well Chribba in your war.
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Rooker
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:58:00 -
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This is a trick that I used on a web site. Have a hidden link near the top of every page (use CSS to hide it from browsers). Exclude the page in your robots.txt file so legitimate bots will leave it alone. A bot is going to ignore the CSS and hit the link looking for addresses. A real user won't ever know it's there (unless they're peeking at the HTML). Block every IP address that hits the hidden page or redirect it to a captcha.
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El Berto
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.06 17:22:00 -
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Just offer to host a Falun Dafa website, the chinese government will sort the problem for you 
Seriously, good luck. Please post your final solution - should be quite interesting.
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Anna Bok
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Posted - 2007.01.06 17:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Chribba
For those of you who love stats and stuff like that, this is what a normal China-visitor-day looks like on my screen.
Linkage
And as you can see they connect and just keep requesting stuff, this guy however was nice enough to only use one connection, some of the bots seem to have bigger problems as they spam with connections.
China don't download my movie 
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Elendar
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.07 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Boo Koo
just have a new banner made for the site with links to anti Chinise goverment information... you will find in days that they will block access to the site for you
Just put a bunch of keywords.
Starting with democracy, human rights, and justice.
Sadly enough this probably is the easiest solution
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry
Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.07 02:03:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 07/01/2007 02:04:37
Captcha's are close to useless these days aginst some of the newer neural algorythms.
Also, the VAST majority of the spam on the net comes from America. (In paricular, Verizon)
http://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/countries.lasso
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.01.07 02:06:00 -
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that's pretty slick. i'll have to try that out sometime. i dont really have a website but i wish i did so i could try it.
Originally by: Rooker
This is a trick that I used on a web site. Have a hidden link near the top of every page (use CSS to hide it from browsers). Exclude the page in your robots.txt file so legitimate bots will leave it alone. A bot is going to ignore the CSS and hit the link looking for addresses. A real user won't ever know it's there (unless they're peeking at the HTML). Block every IP address that hits the hidden page or redirect it to a captcha.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.01.07 02:16:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 07/01/2007 02:28:10
Hmm, how about traffic shaping ?
I admit, I'm no networking expert, but since I lived with 3 other guys sometime and our ADSL upstream was quite limited, I set up a linux router with ip-tables firewall and traffic shaping.
But I don't know, how it would perform in a professional environment tbh and I'm not aware of the current state of it in the linux kernel and distributions especially how easy it is to set it up now. ( A lot of things are in the standard kernel, but if you want something special, it may not be included, like when I was fighting against the p2p stuff of my mates that disturbed my gaming experience ^^ )
Anyway, it allows you to rate-limit connections, assign different bandwith to different services, share the bandwith equally between connections or between different source or destination IPs, limit the number of simutanious connections and a lot more.
Ok, like a said, I've never used it for anything professional. I ran it on an old AMD K6 266 MHz box and used it only for 1Mbit bandwith those days. ( Currently I still use it as firewall for my DSL-16000 connection, but since I'm the only user now, I didn't bother to check out, if the traffic-shaper could handle 16Mbit down/1Mbit upstream under full-load. I doubt it.)
edit: You'll find similar stuff also for other OS'es ofc. Then it costs money, but you probably have a lot of headache to get it to work. (The typical linux-drawback: Endless possibilities, powerful, cheap, but if you want something special, you have to work yourself through a ****load of documentation  )
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Lani Yul
Caldari
Phaze-9
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Posted - 2007.01.07 03:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lani Yul on 07/01/2007 03:39:16
Just ban all the Chinese IP ranges. See here for a pretty good list of IP ranges: http://www.apnic.net/apnic-bin/ipv4-by-country.pl?country=cn
There isn't too many of them, I know I'll ban 'em all for any server I administer.
I'll even make an iptables script for you if you want to, just run it and bye-bye Chinese.
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Angelica Hellsing
Caldari
Tears of Redemption
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.01.07 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rakeris
But a better question may be, why are they doing it? 0.o
chribbera owns all veldspar, how can asian macro-ers compete with no veld??
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Vult
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.07 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lots of nerdy posts
Really nerdy networking talk...
Okay, I used to think I was a nerd, but holy Jeebus...
Although, I have noticed that since I was put in charge of my uncle's online store when he opened it up, his domain started seeing a lot more unique hits than before, with hardly any orders being completed in the store... I wonder if we're getting the same thing?
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Jampack
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jampack on 07/01/2007 06:19:33
Edited by: Jampack on 07/01/2007 06:18:07
Just block China in general, I'm sure one out of the 400k that want to play will come up with there own eve-files.
Plus alot of people use nortons.
Double plus, I don't think a Chinese spammer is going to stopped by making it not being able to be used if you use nortons, they can just turn it off for 5 hours and spam you still.
Your just losing users.
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Cyrus Graham
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.07 07:25:00 -
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Could try making all requests for files by mail, but then we might all start getting perfume samples and magazine subscription cards cluttering our boxes.
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Hurricane Wind
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:10:00 -
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My twin brother and I find this extremely unreasonable. The first reason is that we are Chinese ourselves and we live in China. Many posts here are racist and it makes us non-spamming Chinese EVE players feel harrassed and insulted. Secondly, one of our dreams on EVE is to be a guardian of EVE by becoming a powerful anti-pirate so we can protects all the poor new as well as experienced players traveling out there. We wanted to make many videos and post them on EVE-files to show the world the result of piracy. Before China was banned from your site, we enjoyed downloading various EVE videos and gaining experience at PvP while watching them. Thirdly, English is our primary language. We don't know how to read and write much Chinese. We will have much trouble if we were to post our videos on a Chinese website. Even if we succeed, only a small fraction of EVE players will have access to the videos.
Please don't crush our dreams and hopes.
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w0rmy
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
The 8,500 connections today was from 10-12 different, I have about 250 Chinese spam IP's blocked, they reside in huge IP-ranges among normal DSL customers, so I block them now and in 2 hours they've switched IP's and come back. So the only way for me to block them would be to block the entire subnets, we're talking multiple B-range networks here.
For example, one network would be 222.16.0.0-222.95.255.255, that's 5,136,975 IP's on that range. Then add a few more of those and I've blocked a larger part of China.
Block by CIDR rather than class.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 22/05/2007 11:16:44
Originally by: smashsmash
that's pretty slick. i'll have to try that out sometime. i dont really have a website but i wish i did so i could try it.
Originally by: Rooker
This is a trick that I used on a web site. Have a hidden link near the top of every page (use CSS to hide it from browsers). Exclude the page in your robots.txt file so legitimate bots will leave it alone. A bot is going to ignore the CSS and hit the link looking for addresses. A real user won't ever know it's there (unless they're peeking at the HTML). Block every IP address that hits the hidden page or redirect it to a captcha.
i think that would cause problems for people using prefetching software/addons that just parse the pagesource, rather than interpreting it.
Then again, people that use the damn things probably deserve everything they get.
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Mortecai
Galactic Shipyards Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:21:00 -
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Sounds like a loosing battle here.
If it is not much work for you, add a confirmation box where you type in few letters and numbers. And that box will be used on files over 1mb or whatever you deem is best.
And make it an optional feature that you can turn on when you notice bots messing about.
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
I've noticed that they keep sending "Weferer" headers rather than "Referer" ones.
/c
I'm so wonwy! so wonwy! so wowny and sadwy awone!
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:51:00 -
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lols at old topic.
FYI I tend to block and unblock China depending on load and as I've just now only heard two complaints it seem to work out pretty good - and thus I will continue as I have for the past few months -> blocking just about all Chinese IP's when the load gets high and then unblock when they calm down.
/c
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:55:00 -
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Just require logging before downloading large files. Than you can limit downloads on per account basis. If you see someone logs in and downloads thousands of files just ban him.
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Static Mod
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Posted - 2007.05.22 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
lols at old topic.
FYI I tend to block and unblock China depending on load and as I've just now only heard two complaints it seem to work out pretty good - and thus I will continue as I have for the past few months -> blocking just about all Chinese IP's when the load gets high and then unblock when they calm down.
/c
Why not just block all the Chinese forever.... Really it makes perfect sense.. =)
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MasterDecoy
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.05.22 12:45:00 -
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ok, well, that explains a few things.
for the past 2-3 months, eve-files has been a hit-and-miss for me. seems odd since i only have about a dozen sigs and a small video... sometimes i get the message that i am "banned", and sometimes it works fine.
yeah, i live in beijing.
Originally by: Ultim8Evil
Block China 4tw.
If they can get their own special EVE server, they can damn well get their own EVE-Files site.
Originally by: SasRipper
Just block china
Is there really that many chinse legimate users?
They have there own sever let them get there own eve-files if they are going to abuse yours.
well, apparently, there is. im canadian, not chinese. strangely, i've been living here so long, i might as well be (and no, i don't sell isk!). im one of those people living in a foreign country, making a living and playing eve.
yeah, it sucks. though i understand why it has to be done. and it'd be nice to read the forums without comments like these ^ plus the usual "isk farmers!" riff-raff...
bottom-line is, it sucks that i won't have access to eve-files anymore since it was (heh, still is) a great site. hope a solution will come up eventually.
at least the bots have taste
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/OTHER/china_abuse.png
loxy seems popular...
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Ask Unbeatable
Gallente
HighTech Marines Ltd.
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Kavar
I use norton anti-virus, but I guess I can live without eve-files
Not possible!
And Chribba, I know you can fix everything with some of your amazing magic tricks. Good luck 
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
Techmart Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:27:00 -
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A simple solution for all legitimite users in China would be to use proxy servers based in a different country (if possible). Then they will be able to reach EVE-Files regardless if all of China is blocked or not.
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Vechloran
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:38:00 -
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As one of the EVE players in China (Nanjing, great city, freaking HOT, which is great if you like the pretty women :) ) I have never seen anything but "banned" from eve files, and this is even during the US's downtime.
It doesn't bother me though, I have a proxy setup back in the States to get around things like this. But I would like to support Chirriba, no one wants bots getting our emails, I already get enough stupid spam in QQ.
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Futuris
Minmatar
Nano Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:42:00 -
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Chribba, I've noticed that you don't have a robots.txt file, most bots follow the directions in it as otherwise they might end up downloading infinite/recursive dynamic pages. See http://www.robotstxt.org/ for more info about it.
http://dl.eve-files.com/robots.txt should contain
User-agent: *
Disallow: /
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Sieges
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kahor
Originally by: Dark Kavar
I use norton anti-virus, but I guess I can live without eve-files
Make yourself a favor, and use avast antivirus.
Friendly advice.
Agreed. AVAST is so much better than Norton - and it is free.
Sorry to hear about the China abuse bots Chribba 
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Larshus Magrus
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.05.22 14:32:00 -
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Blocking/unblocking works but impacts legitimate chinese customers (although admittedly these are rare creatures)
Why don't you just use connection tracking with rate limiting for these Ip blocks? Its trivial enough in linux to do and uses very few resources. We use this along with greylisting/whitelisting/blacklisting to automagically curb the gazillions of connections originating from china at our corporate web site while having 0 impact on our other customers.
I'm sure it can be done (although a bit pricier) in Cisco hardware... if you are running windows, well, I think you might be out of luck.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.05.22 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 22/05/2007 14:40:14
why don't you ask a simple question, like show a picture of a raven and ask "which ship is this?", if they get it correct they can download the movie, if not then they're probebly automated.
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Mandi Mon
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Posted - 2007.05.22 14:53:00 -
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Add a captcha?
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