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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:50:00 -
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Want to know how to deal with an ore thief?
1. Use several barges, and one hauler. Hauler needs to allow the can to fill-up before undocking from station.
2. Your guard will consist of one each stealth bomber fitted to tackle, and one each BC/BS sitting 500-600k away from belt.
3. Stealth bomber goes 2800m above or below ore can. Cloaks, and awaits its prey.
4. Theif comes in steal from can, Stealth bomber uncloaks and snags thief, shooting some cruise missle at him. While the BC/BS comes zooming in guns a blazing.
5. Now miners should dock soon as shooting starts. Once thief has left the belt in his pod. BC/BS returns to his hide out, stealth bomber cloaks and moves away, and then the hauler undocks from station and retrieves goodies.
6. This is the fun part...Griefer thief spots the hauler and see red flashy. And shoots. Concord comes and WTFBBQ's his arse for shooting an unagressed ship.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Moetai
Hello,
I would like to know a little bit about your feeling for ore thief (There are not pirates but real little coward...)...
I don't have feeling for ore thief (unless she's female and cute)  but about ore theft: Its not petitionable me thinks. Because its not "broken" but designed this way. Petitions, in my humble opinion, are for things that are broken or the consequences thereof.
Although I occasionally engage in some ore stealing when I am bored, I am usually at the receiving end of the barrel myself. Nevertheless: If people mine into jetcans and not secure containers then they take a risk of having stuff stolen.
Why jetcans are so large (or better yet: why the largest secure container is so small) is a mystery to me. I'd much rather see CCP increase the size of a giant secure can so it can hold one full hauler worth of ore.
Of course, we all know that when we keep discussing this, CCP will shrink jetcans and leave secure cans and then virtually every miner will need a second account and CCP will have a huge party 
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Thats easily sorted. Steal the ore straight back. The hauler (who you're not flagged to) will then have the choice of either stealing from your can himself (getting flagged) or trying to kill you (because you're flagged).
To me, an occasional pilot of the BattleBadger(tm), thats the best advice in the entire thread 
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Jeremiaz
Gallente
Nautilus Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:43:00 -
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Besides the suggestions posted, get a Hulk, fit 2 x expanders IIs and 3 cargo optimisation rigs. Spend 15 minutes mining to cargo hold and simply offload at station. t.b.h. it's the safest thing to do if you are mining solo, other than using secure cans. Plus with this setup you get 17000+m3 cargo hold....that's over half a jetcan, so time spent offloading at station shouldn't have too much of a negative impact!
Jez
Nautilus Industries - Recuitment Officer
"Using strip miners as weapons since 2004!"
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Thews Mortaza
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Shakor
The simple fact is mining was not meant to be done with cans.
Ding, ding, ding !!! 4th post in and we have a winner. 
And after reading down the thread I ask, who needs to pre-align ... real men shield tank it out !
Then they cringe, and hope they've crammed enough WCS in those low-slots, heh ...
(Sig) Your momma so fat ... when I tried to scoop her to my cargo hold, she don't fit ! |
uNtOldOne
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:23:00 -
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How about letting tractor beams work on secure cans. I dont see why they cant be used on secure cans. They are passworded and prob would cut down on the congestion in the roid belts...Haulers would pick up cans rather than leave the cans all over the roid belt 5000m from rocks.
Miner hauls can around with him and anchors it somewere outside of belt so hauler can come in an take cans away.
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Sahjahn
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:28:00 -
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CCP don't like jetcan mining, it's almost against the rules as it gives too much of advantage. CCP would remove the ability to jetcan mine EXCEPT for the fact that the presence of ORE thieves retains the balance. Yes you can mine faster and earn more ISK by jetcan mining BUT you are at risk from ORE thieves, risk vs reward. Remove the ORE thieves and you'll find jetcan mining gets nerfed.
There are plenty of ways to mine that keep you safe from ORE thieves, if you don't like the risk don't jetcan mine.
I jetcan mine and accept the consequences, because the amount i can mine outways the risk.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jeremiaz
Besides the suggestions posted, get a Hulk, fit 2 x expanders IIs and 3 cargo optimisation rigs. Spend 15 minutes mining to cargo hold and simply offload at station. t.b.h. it's the safest thing to do if you are mining solo, other than using secure cans. Plus with this setup you get 17000+m3 cargo hold....that's over half a jetcan, so time spent offloading at station shouldn't have too much of a negative impact!
As much as I like that setup and grinding to have one: The fact that Hulks are buildable easily for 60M, insurable for something arround that amount, but sell for 510+ million upwards just because tech 2 BPOs are such a debacle leaves a bitter aftertaste.
With rigs and expanders, that ship alone is almost worth as much as a freighter and with that much money, maybe someone makes more money by trading with the later.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: uNtOldOne
How about letting tractor beams work on secure cans. I dont see why they cant be used on secure cans. They are passworded and prob would cut down on the congestion in the roid belts...Haulers would pick up cans rather than leave the cans all over the roid belt 5000m from rocks.
Miner hauls can around with him and anchors it somewere outside of belt so hauler can come in an take cans away.
a) because they're too small and b) because tractor beams use one high slot, which gimps 33% of the mining result with a barge in the best case.
Note: Not complaining about ore theft, just pointing out why tractoring secure cans isn't worth it. Tried it - sucks.
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Mitchum DuFinn
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:49:00 -
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Theft within the confines of game mechanics is a valid profession. Ore thief, market scammer, corporate thief are all valid and common Eve professions. So are the professions that are designed specifically to thwart such practices.
Hint for solo miners, don't use barges, use battle cruisers. 5 mining lasers, 2 guns, tackling gear and a load of drones.
Hint for thieves, don't use the itty5, user the Execuror and counter the above.
Push pull, duck and weave, punch and counter punch. Play the game. Tactics, counter tactics, counter counter tactics.... it goes on and on and on.
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ghoststalkertr
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:50:00 -
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Use a team of people, I have used a Prorator to grab ore from large ops before. So thats not saying that your ore is going to be protected. But that saves you having to mess with noobs trying to do it. Get robbed the right way, by someone in a transport ship
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Shemar on 05/01/2007 16:04:17
Ore thieves are subhumans, but that's beside the point.
If you can't live with them use secure cans instead of jet cans. If you want the ease of using jet cans (which was not an original intended feature) don't complain about ore thieves. Complaining actually encourages ore thieves. That's what they want, the attention mommy never gave them.
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mikerem
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:18:00 -
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While i dont care mutch for orethives i accept that they are outthere.
Now they provide a nice break to our mining schdules, as we (my corp) start to switch from barges to fighting ships and go hunt for them.
Only 'problem' is that we only get 15 min to try and catch them.
Also ore thiefs are (one of) the reason(s) i bought my second account, but now he does so mutch more then haul.
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Malibu Stacey
Gallente
Playboy Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:28:00 -
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Why waste time & possible retaliation by stealing from players when there are plenty of Macrominers who will happily sit back & let you take thier hard mined ore & ice without so much as a whimper (well at least for a while until the person behind the operation notices his hauler is coming back a lot emptier than expected).
If you need assistance in how to spot macrominer operations join ingame channel macrointel or have a look at this lovely article.
One of the macrointel regulars took a few units shy of 300 units of ice from the same macro operation over 2 evenings (and he killed the hauler's Iteron V both nights too but that's just a nice little bonus, wait did I mention the Cargo Expander II's the hauler dropped as loot? ).
Would you turn your nose up at 300 units of Ice just sitting around in space asking for you to haul it back to a station? This is the rule, not the exception.
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: mikerem
Also ore thiefs are (one of) the reason(s) i bought my second account, but now he does so mutch more then haul.
Yeah, CCP is very good at giving people advatnages for paying twice (or more) to play, aren't they 
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Skeenee Al'Ramed
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:00:00 -
[46]
Omg.. you people never stop whining...
Ore thief is one of the easiest crime to protect yourself again...
You really want to play the game in easy mode don't you!!!
Organise your bloody protection, group up, don't jetmine ( you greedy bastard!), use secure can... Serioulsy, you have all the tools to prevent this crime from happening, JUST USE THEM!
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Rangkai
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:15:00 -
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I provide ore thief exploding services for free.
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