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Moetai
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:39:00 -
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Hello,
I would like to know a little bit about your feeling for ore thief (There are not pirates but real little coward...)...
Here is my idea... Before doing a petition for CCP, I would like to launch this topic...
So here is my idea : why concord do nothing about ore thief ? Sure we can't do anything because we are in mining mode so we can kill the ore thief (maybe with miners ??  )... And we have only the countdown to go back to a station and fit in combat mode andd find the ore thief..
So, i ask everybody (newbs, pirates, bounty hunter, ...) What are your feelings about this situation where it is difficult to do something against this !!!
Thank you for your attention and may this topic be discussed a lot...
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Cammulos
Magnetar Ltd
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:41:00 -
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Keep it as is, I make a nice sum during my itty 5 raids in empire. Last thing I need is a Concord BS chasing me after grabbing 25k m3 in fiery kernite from a corp mining op.  
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Banedon Runestar
Gallente
Blue Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:42:00 -
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Ore thieves are scum.
That being said either go to a different system, mine with a friend with some bigger guns (put your ore into his can, thieves takes ore and then something besdies your miner can shoot him), get some decent drone skills so you can crush him with drones.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:45:00 -
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The reason is a practical one. If you come accross some abandoned loot from mission runners you can then help yourself without concord killing you. If concord ganked everyone in high sec that took from a can it would effectively cause problems for those people too.
That is why we have criminal flagging for taking from cans so it is up to the player. It is not the devs fault if you didn't lock the guy in the indy as he approached, ready to scram and web, and didn't pack a gun or two.
Or the fact that you didn't use secure containers with passwords either. The simple fact is mining was not meant to be done with cans. That is a player created tactic like insta jump bookmarks were.
Mine in low sec, get a friend in a combat ship to watch your back, split the money.
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Moetai
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:47:00 -
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Thanks darius,
of course we can t do anything... I will get a friend See ya in game..
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Twin blade
Minmatar
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Twin blade on 03/01/2007 17:54:04
I wish if you looted form a can it took 5 seconds befor you could start warp to stop the guys who line up and warp befor you can jam when they steal.
5 second's would not bother looter's much if at all but would stop people stealing ore as people will have time to warp jam and maybe kill them.
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Sean Dillon
Caldari
FM Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sean Dillon on 03/01/2007 17:59:29
Better get a smart friend, last time I stole some ore a retriever used his drones on me. That wasn't his brightest move as I was flying a thorax, a catalyst buddy jumped in to go the same way as the retriever did.
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sableye
principle of motion
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:58:00 -
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you want concord to blow up a ship and its crew over some ore, are human lives on board the ship worth nothing to you. 
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:04:00 -
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Back in the day, you wern't even allowed to shoot Ore Thieves- CONCORD would shoot you for trying to defend your property. CCP brought in the flagging in order to allow self-defense- its the best solution, I reckon. Don't bring NPCs into the equation, just let people settle their own diffrences 
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:14:00 -
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When you jettison that can of ore, you are technically discarding it. You are placing it in a container with public access. As such, there is going to be the risk that someone may come along and relocate the discarded items in said can into their cargohold. The current flagging system is about the best CCP could do to help the people who are jetcan mining, but really, you just have to adapt to the situation and you can avoid ore theft. (hav a friend or a 2nd account sitting at the jetcan, hold the can with 1 unit of ammo or a copy of some random bookmark, as the miners moves ore to the can, immediately move it to the hauler. The only time you will be vulnerable to theft is when the hauler fills up and has to dock and unload, which should not take long with insta-dock)
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Nicocat
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:10:00 -
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I steal ore for a very good reason: To make people like Moetai whine and cry ;)
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Ash'nur Khar
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ash''nur Khar on 03/01/2007 19:13:29
regular situation : an ore thief in a frig grabs your can : you get a flag against him. fair enough.
but what about his friend/alt in a hauler who comes and steels your work (from the ore thief jettison)? no flag against him, and if you even scramble him, YOU get concorded... how fair is this?
and please don't give me the "i like to make people whine" thing. we all PLAY a game, in different ways. I love to hear ore thieves whine when i pop them, but i don't get any pride in it lol.
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Bawldeux IV
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:19:00 -
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hire protection.
If your corp has no pvp types, hire a 'gun' and bring them into your corp for the time you need them.
Why have the hired gun in your corp? So he gets the killrights when a thief steals from your corp members...
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Stakhanov
Gallente
Newbies On Xstacy
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:36:00 -
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People complaining about ore thieves have no clue. In highsec , you can either let a thief steal your ore , or risk your ship fighting back - the choice is yours. In lowsec , pirates will kill your ship (and possibly pod) before you know what's going on , then steal / destroy your ore.
You need teamwork to counter teamwork. If 2 highsec pirates swap your ore and steal it with impunity , it's your fault for letting them. You either need a corpmate fighter in system / next to you , or a hired escort dragging your ore to his can to protect it from thieves.
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Joran Koba
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:46:00 -
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Fit a scrambler in your mining ship. A few t1 light drones can easily kill an indy. You can also go to an empty system to mine.
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Rudolf Miller
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:56:00 -
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I think the kill right flags should last much longer (24 hrs). The kill rights should escalate to group/corp.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.04 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ash'nur Khar
Edited by: Ash''nur Khar on 03/01/2007 19:13:29
regular situation : an ore thief in a frig grabs your can : you get a flag against him. fair enough.
but what about his friend/alt in a hauler who comes and steels your work (from the ore thief jettison)? no flag against him, and if you even scramble him, YOU get concorded... how fair is this?
and please don't give me the "i like to make people whine" thing. we all PLAY a game, in different ways. I love to hear ore thieves whine when i pop them, but i don't get any pride in it lol.
Thats easily sorted. Steal the ore straight back. The hauler (who you're not flagged to) will then have the choice of either stealing from your can himself (getting flagged) or trying to kill you (because you're flagged).
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.01.04 02:07:00 -
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there's other ways of make (lots of) money solo - mining just isn't one of it
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Moetai
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:33:00 -
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Fitting a scramble is a good way.. but what do you do when the indus is with a raven just gang to him and you can t shoot the raven first...
Ok i know that this question is a big problem but we can use cargo container but we have only 3900m3 max for the container... (after you need a freighter to anchor the container because you have 120 000 m3 !!!)
I post a petition about that and I hope to have bigger container...
Thx you for your answer and see you in game...
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subvert
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:44:00 -
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you cant petition this. defend your ore or use secure containers
also i dont think a gang can help the ore theif. I think its just you get kill rights and they get to defend themselves if you shoot, but nobody in gangs can help
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:51:00 -
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I saw nothing wrong with ore theft until some carebear friends took me mining... holly crap its slow... and boring... i can see why people stealing whole cans annoys you... but eh.. any kind of nerf like this would be terrible for the game. Macros would rampage throughout highsec
You can already get concorded for blowing up wrecks... yet you only get aggro for stealing from them... and i dont think you get anything for salvaging.. i think the concordings need to be lightened up in this department...
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:57:00 -
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sounds like a macro miner complaining to me.....why didnt he stop him stealing his ore? HE WASNT THERE - he was out doing whatever while his pc did the work :-)
/me awaits flames :-)
~n00b of all trades~
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Vesas
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Twin blade
Edited by: Twin blade on 03/01/2007 17:54:04
I wish if you looted form a can it took 5 seconds befor you could start warp to stop the guys who line up and warp befor you can jam when they steal.
5 second's would not bother looter's much if at all but would stop people stealing ore as people will have time to warp jam and maybe kill them.
Tend to agree with this concern. Stealing when aligned at fullspeed, initiate warp and insta-dock is zero risk for the thief.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:01:00 -
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that reminds me to go steal some secure containers off ppl who dont have anchoring I :-)
i love it when ppl just leave their stuff floating in space for me
~n00b of all trades~
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:16:00 -
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Have a buddy in a combat ship drop the can you mine into. If a nsty little hobbit comes and steals your precious, he will be flagged to the combat pilot.
Had some fun involving a Blasterthron and a couple iteron V's that way.
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EscapeArtist
Caldari
Xenotech Federation and Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: EscapeArtist on 05/01/2007 12:36:51
I think it's just better to have peoples security status go down it they do that...
Anyone in a corp, shouldn't be doing that sort of thing anyway, as word will get around.
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Mining Munitions and Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Banedon Runestar
Ore thieves are scum.
correction:
Ore thieves who use NPC corp alts to get away with your ore are scum, manly because tehy have absolute impunity when stealing your ore.
someone who wants to come and steal my omber in a hauler will get a nasty supprise, but the guy in a noob frigate who was created about 15 mins ago can wait till i got fetch a hauler, take the whole can and put it in his own can, camp there waiting for my hauler to get back, and then bring his own hauler in without any threat of being blown up.
lamers.
frankly, the ammount of ore they can get away with is small, i don't wait long before picking up my ore in a hauler so the loss is negligable. and in corp mining ops, there's no way they can get away with anything worth taking relative to the whole opperation's yeild.
all in all, a minor thorn in our sides, but it irritates me that they can't be stopped when using NPC corp alts. if they're man enough to do their own dirty work, then so be it.
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Mesacc
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:51:00 -
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I wish we could boobie trap cans! Someone graps your ore, 30 seconds later...BOOM!!
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:53:00 -
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Ore theft is fine.
Have a combat ship ready. If someone warps in, I warp out, get my ship, warp on my can.
Only thing that annoys me is it takes so bloody long to undock.
I think can flagging should last 1 week not 15 minutes.
Kind of like a wardec so you can hunt him.
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Dmian
Gallente
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rudolf Miller
Edited by: Rudolf Miller on 04/01/2007 02:22:41
I think the kill right flags should last much longer (24 hrs). The kill rights should escalate to gang/corp.
Agreed, 14 minutes is not a long time to settle things out...  . But, for the case, you can gang with other people to pop the thief. Revenge is a sweet thing (and keep the economy running )
And to the main topic: if you're mining alone and have no way to defend your ore, then just forget it. I think EVE was conceived as a social game and playing it alone just sucks...
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