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Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.07 01:59:00 - [61] Originally by: kublai There is no saving ISS, that is my entire point, Care to suggest a date for the demise of ISS? Just curious because, as several people have already pointed out, the ISSO IPO can largely work without outposts. Success in business is all about adapting. The IPOs business plan had already taken into account the new wave of opportunity Kali represents and I think you will find ISS is going to stick around, perhaps in a modified form, and make money for it's investors for a long time to come.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.07 02:48:00 - [62] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: kublai There is no saving ISS, that is my entire point, Care to suggest a date for the demise of ISS? Just curious because, as several people have already pointed out, the ISSO IPO can largely work without outposts. Success in business is all about adapting. The IPOs business plan had already taken into account the new wave of opportunity Kali represents and I think you will find ISS is going to stick around, perhaps in a modified form, and make money for it's investors for a long time to come. So all your previous shareholders don't matter? Perhaps that was the point of the ISSO IPO. Create an IPO so big that ISS can ignore their previous investors. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.07 03:00:00 - [63] Originally by: Dark Shikari So all your previous shareholders don't matter? Perhaps that was the point of the ISSO IPO. Create an IPO so big that ISS can ignore their previous investors. Don't be so banal. Why the hell do you think I joined ISSN?
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.07 03:02:00 - [64] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Dark Shikari So all your previous shareholders don't matter? Perhaps that was the point of the ISSO IPO. Create an IPO so big that ISS can ignore their previous investors. Don't be so banal. Why the hell do you think I joined ISSN? ISSN is doing a horrid job, and we've already seen how many members of ISS are willing to sell the alliance short, are you telling me YOU are the sa***uard for all those shareholders? http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
David H'Levi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.07 03:14:00 - [65] I think the guy's point is that while the Outpost IPOs may fail, ISS itself will live on, and some investors will still see benefits (those who invested in ISSO). There's probably not a lot that ISS can do about the Outposts at the moment (though I would like to see them hang on long enough to try to win them back), but they can still keep operating as a financial institution. Everyone knew the risks to the outposts when they invested. It's a shame that they're falling, but it was part of the risk. I don't think ISS should give them up, but I don't think that's the plan. We Recruit!
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.07 03:15:00 - [66] Originally by: kublai Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Dark Shikari So all your previous shareholders don't matter? Perhaps that was the point of the ISSO IPO. Create an IPO so big that ISS can ignore their previous investors. Don't be so banal. Why the hell do you think I joined ISSN? are you telling me YOU are the sa***uard for all those shareholders? Yes. That's right. Just me. FFS. I joined ISSN because I wanted to help defend the concept that ISS represented even though I don't have any shares in the outposts. So yes I am part of the 'safe guard'. How big, and well equipped, that 'safe guard' is was part of the trade off between higher or lower dividends for the investors. Frankly I doubt there would have been much of a return on their investment if enough ISK had been put away to build a 'safe guard' big enough to repulse the current attack.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.07 03:32:00 - [67] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: kublai Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Dark Shikari So all your previous shareholders don't matter? Perhaps that was the point of the ISSO IPO. Create an IPO so big that ISS can ignore their previous investors. Don't be so banal. Why the hell do you think I joined ISSN? are you telling me YOU are the sa***uard for all those shareholders? Yes. That's right. Just me. FFS. I joined ISSN because I wanted to help defend the concept that ISS represented even though I don't have any shares in the outposts. So yes I am part of the 'safe guard'. How big, and well equipped, that 'safe guard' is was part of the trade off between higher or lower dividends for the investors. Frankly I doubt there would have been much of a return on their investment if enough ISK had been put away to build a 'safe guard' big enough to repulse the current attack. So when the coalition breaks up and the bandwagon stops, will ISS go hire MC and try to take back at least some of the stations? Or will they decide "oh we're going to become an empire trading corp!11!1!"? -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.07 04:27:00 - [68] Originally by: Dark Shikari So when the coalition breaks up and the bandwagon stops, will ISS go hire MC and try to take back at least some of the stations? Or will they decide "oh we're going to become an empire trading corp!11!1!"? I'm not an executive or director so I can't answer that, or make any 'official' statements representing the alliance for that matter. Personally I would expect ISS to try to find a way to continue returning dividends to the outpost share holders as soon as is realistically possible. Let's face it the 'risk' of the investment has just turned up, it's going to take a while to adjust.
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.07 05:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Dark Shikari So when the coalition breaks up and the bandwagon stops, will ISS go hire MC and try to take back at least some of the stations? Or will they decide "oh we're going to become an empire trading corp!11!1!"? I'm not an executive or director so I can't answer that, or make any 'official' statements representing the alliance for that matter. Personally I would expect ISS to try to find a way to continue returning dividends to the outpost share holders as soon as is realistically possible. Let's face it the 'risk' of the investment has just turned up, it's going to take a while to adjust. To be honest, looks like ISS failed big time already, you were supposedly a neutral corporation, and this was to be your sa*uard ( don't mention that joke of a "navy" you're a part of, you can't sa*uard from a letter opener), yet they've managed to grow into one of the most hated entities in 0.0. One can only put the blame for this on the leadership of ISS. So now that this has surfaced...what next? With the dirty laundry surfacing as the war progresses, who will trust ISS with anything, i'm not seeing an alliance worthy of the largest IPO's in eve history here, I see an alliance that will associate itself with newbies and bang on trough like they're the greatest thing since the common cold ignoring what enemies they make. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Fedjakeen Sigma Industries	Posted - 2007.01.07 05:52:00 - [70] Edited by: Fedjakeen on 07/01/2007 05:48:20 Originally by: Dark Shikari So when the coalition breaks up and the bandwagon stops, will ISS go hire MC and try to take back at least some of the stations? Or will they decide "oh we're going to become an empire trading corp!11!1!"? My trading guide will save ISS, np. Share market sucks anyway, people who ran it a few months ago killed it 6 months later. Even Naphtalia seems badly MIA for the last 3 months according to EMFI website (EMFI should loose 30b if ISS crash, right ?) I'm not attacking anyone, i'm just stating that for the moment : - ISS is dying and can't communicate about further actions because they don't know how they will save their ass. - The few last good corps are, for most of them, ran by people who used the share market popularity to buy a few T2 BPOs and are waiting for the day where nobody will care anymore about them. ------------------------------ Enlarge your wallet
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.07 05:57:00 - [71] Originally by: Fedjakeen Share market sucks anyway, people who ran it a few months ago killed it 6 months later. Even Naphtalia seems badly MIA for the last 3 months according to EMFI website You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I mean really, NO IDEA at all. Perhaps you should hang out in the appropriate in-game channels And yes, EMFI does stand to lose somewhat, though ISS shares have tanked in value over the past few months anyways, so its likely a lot less than 30b. EMFI has sold quite a few. EMFI also did not buy ISSO shares. By the way, in relation to the entire IAC-ISS-everything else incident, I offer you one name. When all is said and done, perhaps this name may be a bit more well known in connection to the issue. Istvaan... Shogaatsu... -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.07 06:26:00 - [72] Bibi and dark shikari going at it in MY thread, I am so proud and I am so selling tickets to this. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.07 06:26:00 - [73] Originally by: kublai -stuff- To be honest, looks like ISS failed big time already, you were supposedly a neutral corporation, and this was to be your sa*uard ( don't mention that joke of a "navy" you're a part of, you can't sauard from a letter opener), yet they've managed to grow into one of the most hated entities in 0.0. One can only put the blame for this on the leadership of ISS. So now that this has surfaced...what next? With the dirty laundry surfacing as the war progresses, who will trust ISS with anything, i'm not seeing an alliance worthy of the largest IPO's in eve history here, I see an alliance that will associate itself with newbies and bang on trough like they're the greatest thing since the common cold ignoring what enemies they make. So, seeing as ISS has 'failed big time already', perhaps you can tell me what the loss of income per share is in the next dividend? OMG you don't know, do you? That would be because it's not been announced, nor have any plans for restructuring the business, or share exchange/buy back schemes or a long list of other things ISS could* do for the investors. So, commercially, we don't actually know yet how bad the situation is or isn't for the investors. At the end of the day, surely, the current investors are going to judge ISS based on their investments return. Future investors will take into account whats happened and adjust the amount of risk they think should be attributed to the new IPOs business plan. As far as trusting the ISS management goes that's always going to be difficult for individuals reading these forums... as there's so much spin, spam, and slander (in both directions) it can be hard to research. Bottom line... it's their money. Obviously not investing more than you can afford to lose, and hedging your investments by having a wide portfolio / buying reserve stocks of minerals etc. are all good plans for when war breaks out. If your only point is that you don't think anyone will trust ISS again after this incident, OK. We know your point now. Please come back in a week.
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.07 06:28:00 - [74] I'll judge ISS on the security they provide my ISK with, considering members have offered to sell your stations for 1.5billion pr station (re: goons being offered pos offlining),I am NOT confident the investors isk is well handled, and I smell future scams. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.07 06:41:00 - [75] Originally by: kublai I'll judge ISS on the security they provide my ISK with, considering members have offered to sell your stations for 1.5billion pr station (re: goons being offered pos offlining),I am NOT confident the investors isk is well handled, and I smell future scams. The futures the future mate... and with that I'm heading for bed. Hopefully scam free.....
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.07 06:48:00 - [76] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: kublai I'll judge ISS on the security they provide my ISK with, considering members have offered to sell your stations for 1.5billion pr station (re: goons being offered pos offlining),I am NOT confident the investors isk is well handled, and I smell future scams. The futures the future mate... and with that I'm heading for bed. Hopefully scam free..... That's just it though, when you're looking to invest billions, you want more than to hear "what happens happens, i'm hoping for the best", which is my entire point. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.07 06:58:00 - [77] Originally by: kublai Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: kublai I'll judge ISS on the security they provide my ISK with, considering members have offered to sell your stations for 1.5billion pr station (re: goons being offered pos offlining),I am NOT confident the investors isk is well handled, and I smell future scams. The futures the future mate... and with that I'm heading for bed. Hopefully scam free..... That's just it though, when you're looking to invest billions, you want more than to hear "what happens happens, i'm hoping for the best", which is my entire point. gah. Looking to invest? Please tell me you're not saying you haven't invested anything in ISS yet? Give it a week, don't invest anything now then, and I'm sure the ISS management will: a) publish a revised ISS IPO business plan / or statement of direction, b) sort out what will be done with regards the outposts. If you like what you hear.. invest. If not. Fair enough.
Fedjakeen Sigma Industries	Posted - 2007.01.07 07:26:00 - [78] Quote: I mean really, NO IDEA at all. Perhaps you should hang out in the appropriate in-game channels Razz. Nobody is "waiting for the day when nobody will care about them anymore" to run away with their IPO cash. I IDLE in EMFi and EGSEx channel to look cool like everybody else. I think i even had an op status in EMFI channel at some point because i owned more than 5% of the corp ^^ And the "run with the cash of the T2 BPO thing" wasn't pointed at Naphtalia, actually it was just to annoy someone on this post. ^^ ------------------------------ Enlarge your wallet
HI Wallet	Posted - 2007.01.07 07:35:00 - [79] Seriously this is a major situation for ISS to say the least.. Where is Count? or Serenity? They are public company and they should be the first one's here getting some info out. What is their back-up plan for the ISSPO without the outposts, what is the plan for the outposts themselves? All those thing DrSlaughter mentioned.. lots of people have questions, time to start spitting out some info. Someone check the back door... ROMEO might be in the getaway car waiting for Count to make a run for it.
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.07 07:37:00 - [80] Originally by: Fedjakeen Quote: I mean really, NO IDEA at all. Perhaps you should hang out in the appropriate in-game channels Razz. Nobody is "waiting for the day when nobody will care about them anymore" to run away with their IPO cash. I IDLE in EMFi and EGSEx channel to look cool like everybody else. I think i even had an op status in EMFI channel at some point because i owned more than 5% of the corp ^^ And the "run with the cash of the T2 BPO thing" wasn't pointed at Naphtalia, actually it was just to annoy someone on this post. ^^ I do not know this person nor does he know about my secret plans for world domination. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit

Karl Chroimcer Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.07 07:42:00 - [81] Locked for flamebait/trolling/flaming. Take your pick The Aussie Mod


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