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kublai Short Attention Span	Posted - 2007.01.05 08:21:00 - [1] Let me be the first person to say, ha, ha and permit me if you will to add yet another ha. And if you think it looks grim right now, you have not been paying attention to your investment, but I guess you'll find out tomorrow :D
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.05 09:05:00 - [2] k Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication. http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Lilan-spc-Kahn,white,black.png
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:25:00 - [3] Originally by: kublai Let me be the first person to say, ha, ha and permit me if you will to add yet another ha. And if you think it looks grim right now, you have not been paying attention to your investment, but I guess you'll find out tomorrow :D Even if all the outposts my shares cover are lost - I've still made money on the whole. You were saying?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:15:00 - [4] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/01/2007 11:32:17 Ohnos. Or... not. Odds are this will probably just increase shareholder profits by increasing traffic to the outposts -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Zinedine	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:18:00 - [5] This will be interesting. Seems D2 will take all the ISS outposts if they wish, can't really see ISS stopping them unless the puppetmasters join in. Will they commit themselves though over these bases? Shares will most likely sit until the 1st outpost falls, then it will be manic trying to offload em fast.
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:31:00 - [6] For the market part of the community I feel bad, but due to the ways of ISS I hope they fail. Wonder what will happen of the 500b isk if this happens. AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play.
kublai Short Attention Span	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/01/2007 11:32:17 Ohnos. Or... not. Odds are this will probably just increase shareholder profits by increasing traffic to the outposts My dear multi-kvasillionaire, we are in the middle of a grand re-enactment of World war one and ISS is playing the role of Franz Ferdinan. If your profit increases when ISS start losing outposts like candy to a fat criminal, I will be TRULY impressed :)
gazarsgo Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:44:00 - [8] Originally by: kublai ...when ISS start losing outposts like candy to a fat criminal... Hey now! D2 are the good guys!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:57:00 - [9] Originally by: gazarsgo Originally by: kublai ...when ISS start losing outposts like candy to a fat criminal... Hey now! D2 are the good guys! Then why are they attacking the good guys (ISS) and allying themselves with the bad guys (AAA)? -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
gazarsgo Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.05 17:42:00 - [10] Hey now, things are either black or they are white. There is no grey in EvE! It's in the name even -- Enemy Vs Enemy. I tried to figure out if the EGSE would let me short ISS stocks, but I don't really trust EGSE...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:41:00 - [11] Originally by: gazarsgo Hey now, things are either black or they are white. There is no grey in EvE! It's in the name even -- Enemy Vs Enemy. I tried to figure out if the EGSE would let me short ISS stocks, but I don't really trust EGSE... Actually AAA has stated publicly that they are the bad guys -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.01.05 20:13:00 - [12] Why are there CAOD flamers in the market forum anyway?
kublai Short Attention Span	Posted - 2007.01.05 20:15:00 - [13] In under an hour you should know what I meant in my first post about not having paid enough attention to your investment. It wasn't public knowledge, but it wasnt hard for me to figure out, and i'm not even an investor. Gentlemen, I welcome you to World War 1.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.05 21:57:00 - [14] I'm curious though (not trying to be a git here promise) Does ISS offer a refund clause on the new 500billion isk IPO. I can definately understand not on the station IPO's as they have been up for awhile and investors have had many chances to do what they wish with them. However if ISS does lose it's 0.0 assets it would effectively mean the new 500b ipo is in a sense worthless during it's infancy. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
JITA MARKETWATCHER	Posted - 2007.01.05 22:54:00 - [15] WTS: ISS Shares !
kublai Short Attention Span	Posted - 2007.01.05 23:04:00 - [16] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=455293 Told you, the OP leaves out the RED Alliance fleets also moving against him, but you get the picture. Now as said, this was hardly public knowledge, but if you can't squeeze intel out of ONE of all those guys, you're not paying attention to your investment. WTB - ISS shares - 1 isk pr share http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.01.05 23:27:00 - [17] (ignores the trolls) Originally by: Murukan I'm curious though (not trying to be a git here promise) Does ISS offer a refund clause on the new 500billion isk IPO. I can definately understand not on the station IPO's as they have been up for awhile and investors have had many chances to do what they wish with them. However if ISS does lose it's 0.0 assets it would effectively mean the new 500b ipo is in a sense worthless during it's infancy. Afaik, The ISSO shares continue to pay out as normal for as long as it's economically viable. As was said in another thread... if the stuff is listed on market, then it doesn't just disappear. All the money already invested pays profits, and profits pay dividends.
Tecron Caldari Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:01:00 - [18] If anyone is actually selling ISS shares for a great price feel free to contact me. I'm feeling risky.
Monma Cicov Gallente Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:27:00 - [19] Edited by: Monma Cicov on 06/01/2007 00:23:37 I don't believe ISSO shares are overly affected by outposts, or loss of outposts. None of the 500billion they are raising is being invested into existing stations, and they haven't used any of it to put up new stations as yet. Instead they have issued collateral secured loans which will still be paid pack with interest, and they have invested in T2 BPO's which they can still build with and sell the products for a profit. All this can also be done from empire space, so even if ISS get's kicked out of 0.0, the ISSO should still pay out the 5% dividend.
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:27:00 - [20] Edited by: Ramblin Man on 06/01/2007 00:30:18 Originally by: Tecron If anyone is actually selling ISS shares for a great price feel free to contact me. I'm feeling risky. They seem to be discounted less than 10% from IPO right now on the sell forums; I expect it'll take a bit more "panic" for them to crash. sits in his ISS-share lawn chair and munches popcorn
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Ramblin Man Edited by: Ramblin Man on 06/01/2007 00:30:18 Originally by: Tecron If anyone is actually selling ISS shares for a great price feel free to contact me. I'm feeling risky. They seem to be discounted less than 10% from IPO right now on the sell forums; I expect it'll take a bit more "panic" for them to crash. sits in his ISS-share lawn chair and munches popcorn Wait for the first few outposts to be lost Heres a teaser for you http://www.eve-online.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=966&start=2295 http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:59:00 - [22] Originally by: kublai Originally by: Ramblin Man Edited by: Ramblin Man on 06/01/2007 00:30:18 Originally by: Tecron If anyone is actually selling ISS shares for a great price feel free to contact me. I'm feeling risky. They seem to be discounted less than 10% from IPO right now on the sell forums; I expect it'll take a bit more "panic" for them to crash. sits in his ISS-share lawn chair and munches popcorn Wait for the first few outposts to be lost Heres a teaser for you http://www.eve-online.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=966&start=2295 What's the supposed ETA? eyes EGSEx
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.06 01:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Ramblin Man Originally by: kublai Originally by: Ramblin Man Edited by: Ramblin Man on 06/01/2007 00:30:18 Originally by: Tecron If anyone is actually selling ISS shares for a great price feel free to contact me. I'm feeling risky. They seem to be discounted less than 10% from IPO right now on the sell forums; I expect it'll take a bit more "panic" for them to crash. sits in his ISS-share lawn chair and munches popcorn Wait for the first few outposts to be lost Heres a teaser for you http://www.eve-online.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=966&start=2295 What's the supposed ETA? eyes EGSEx When the outposts will be lost is a military decision that will occur when it is found most beneficial to the tactical situation, if you put a time on such things you're setting yourself up. Personally, i'll be checking the forums from tomorrow morning to sunday for quite a few station losses, but again, anything can happen in a war like this. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Varner Moseyed Magnetar Ltd DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.01.06 01:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/01/2007 11:32:17 Odds are this will probably just increase shareholder profits by increasing traffic to the outposts Sorry, but the standard coat of white-wash won't cover it this time. Perhaps in the short term, but this war is going to be a bit more of minor annoyance for ISS. Now that D2 is on the scene along with the rest of the players, it seems its a matter of when not if they lose the stations. Its easy for the ISS big wigs to make glib assurances that losing these assets wouldn't result in the end of ISS; But realistically, what other purpose does the alliance serve than to regulate stations on behalf of their investors? When the stations are no longer under their control who is going to trust them a second time? Of course I'm not ruling out the possibility that whoever ends up in charge of the stations won't implement a similar arrangement with the share-holders that is currently handled by ISS. I think the intentions behind the ISS project were noble, perhaps even visionary; in terms of an MMO. But somewhere along the line it all went wrong. Unlike many others, I don't pretend to know the true reasons for this. But that doesn't change the reality of the situation ISS finds itself in. Many ISS investors must surely now be looking for the best way to cut their losses, I for one don't blame them.. --
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.06 01:49:00 - [25] If prices drop enough, I may be tempted to buy a few shares just for the kick, i'm the kind of guy who solo pirates in a tricked out navy issue vexor. What sounds more exciting than investing in ISS atm? :D http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Ehrine Ashbark Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.06 03:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Varner Moseyed Of course I'm not ruling out the possibility that whoever ends up in charge of the stations won't implement a similar arrangement with the share-holders that is currently handled by ISS. Unfortunately, that can be quite hard to achieve. It's next to impossible to track down all the shareholders as there is no mechanism in game to see where corp shares are other then the ones you hold yourself. If the revenue from the stations doesn't pass through the wallet of the corp that issued the shares, it isn't going to get to the shareholders.
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.06 03:30:00 - [27] From what I understand this is going really bad for ISS atm. Any official posts for your shareholders. AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play.
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.06 03:39:00 - [28] The attacking fleets have so far met close to no resistance and have steamrolled everything in their path, unless i'm mistaken, ever pos the attackers laid eyes upon has been put into reinforced. We wont haveto wait long. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:02:00 - [29] ISS and friends gangbanged IAC, but IAC had the will to hold on and come back strong. The question is, when the reverse is happening, will ISS do the same? If they don't, they have effectively scammed their shareholders. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/01/2007 04:10:54 ISS and friends gangbanged IAC, but IAC had the will to hold on and come back strong. The question is, when the reverse is happening, will ISS do the same? If they don't, they have effectively scammed their shareholders. I also have this strong suspicion that this op against ISS has been planned since long before the IAC-ISS war. I don't think it's any major conspiracy tbh, we can't rule out that d2 spoke to aaa/ra and gewns, but it looks to me like they're swatting a*****y insect. D2 fund bob and other entities hostile to d2 and the rest of the gang bang, it's not so much crushing ISS as it is cutting off a supply of ISK. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit

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