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vinnymcg
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:41:00 -
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This doesn't make much sense to me but I'm sure there someone in here that knows better. We kill all other factions and get bounties from concord for ridding the galaxy of these scum, but not drones because......because why? because there aren't people inside them? Because the ships get rebuilt by a machine?
We kill a normal pirates and get a bounty he wakes up in a clone and goes back to causing havoc. We kill a drone it dies and another is built and starts to cause havoc again, whats the difference?
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Thetys
Surfer des Sandwurms
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:43:00 -
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for the same reason they do not have things to salvage :(
i guess ccp wants us to be happy and sattisfied with the compound things they got (want more drone controllers!!)
regards
thetys
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Pwny McPwnerson
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Posted - 2007.01.06 04:10:00 -
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Other NPC rats have pilots in them. They're members of whatever faction piloting the ship, and you're killing the person the bounty is for.
Drones are machines. No pilot. It doesn't make sense to put a bounty on a machine. I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
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subvert
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Posted - 2007.01.06 04:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.06 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
LOL
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Ikarushka
A.O.U. Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.06 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
yah, killing people to take their laundary 
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tiewan
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Posted - 2007.01.06 04:59:00 -
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Ok I just put a $20 bounty on my neighbors loud washing machine.
Go get it boys...
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.01.06 04:59:00 -
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So the rouge drones have all my missing socks 
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.06 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Thetys
for the same reason they do not have things to salvage :(
Actually they have loads of salvage materials, all of them in fact.
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.06 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
I see you've met my washing machine then.
Rogue Hotpoints... be afraid!
Originally by: Victor Valka
What the skull-chick said.
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vinnymcg
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.06 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Thetys
for the same reason they do not have things to salvage :(
i guess ccp wants us to be happy and sattisfied with the compound things they got (want more drone controllers!!)
regards
thetys
Actually your wrong there coz im salvaging a drone right now and ive been getting stuff all day.
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vinnymcg
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Other NPC rats have pilots in them. They're members of whatever faction piloting the ship, and you're killing the person the bounty is for.
Drones are machines. No pilot. It doesn't make sense to put a bounty on a machine. I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
Well this is exactly my point, concord is putting bounties on these Faction Pilotes because we are killing them thus stoping them killing inisent people, but this is a bit stupid as we know that the pilots we kill weill wake up in a clone jump into a ship and go back to there life of crime.
Yea i know drones are machines, but your point about not putting a bounty on them is a little silly, if the terminator was roaming the streets and the cops couldnt kill em they would probably put a bounty on his head, But hes just a machine. [Sci-fi film Sci-fi game]
I think concord should pay us for every drone we kill because each drone we kill is still the same as killing a normal NPC with or with out a pilot it makes no difference. Kill a pilot he will be back in a ship in a few seconds kill a drone a new one will be built in a few seconds there is no difference.
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hangnoose
Caldari
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:11:00 -
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What ccp doesn't give in bounties they give in minerals...
Looted 97m3 worth of compound in a frig, got to a empire station and refined it. Got 2.5m isk just from that alone.
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Elesen
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.01.06 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
I'd do more than put a bounty on it 
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Kharakan
Amarr
Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2007.01.06 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ikarushka
Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
yah, killing people to take their laundary
The ultimate panty raid =X
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Hesod Adee
Bright New Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:22:00 -
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The bounty is placed on the pirates because of crimes they have already committed (these crimes might include aiding that pirate faction) and if you kill a human he stays dead.
But the drones are AI, which changes things.
Lets say that an AI commits a crime and gets a bounty placed upon him. He then copies himself into an identically configured piece of hardware. Which copy do you stick the bounty on ? If you pick both you are going to have to reduce the bounty on each and/or increase the cost to yourself. With enough copies its either going to be too expensive to pay, or not worth someone killing them for the bounty.
Now you somehow pick which one to stick the bounty on. So the drone goes and gets that one blown up and collects the bounty, then walks away with he money while still not being punished. In fact you placing the bounty on them has benefited them and cost you. (how many eve players get themselves podded by a friend/alt to collect their bounty money ?)
So the bounty will either bankrupt whoever funded it, be too cheap for anyone to care about, only hurt the drone mind as much as losing a ship would hurt a pirate, or it the worst case it could actually benefit the drones if you assume they convince humans to act as middlemen where required.
This is all assuming that the drones have a human level reasoning capability. If their reasoning is more on the level of wild animals, their actions can be explained by them seeing the minerals as a food source and them seeing humans as competitors for that food source.
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Hesod Adee
Bright New Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: vinnymcg
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Other NPC rats have pilots in them. They're members of whatever faction piloting the ship, and you're killing the person the bounty is for.
Drones are machines. No pilot. It doesn't make sense to put a bounty on a machine. I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
Well this is exactly my point, concord is putting bounties on these Faction Pilotes because we are killing them thus stoping them killing inisent people, but this is a bit stupid as we know that the pilots we kill weill wake up in a clone jump into a ship and go back to there life of crime.
But do the pilots of NPC ships have access to cloning services ?
[url="http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/14-07-05.asp"Though even if the pilots do, the rest of the crew don't[/url].
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Yea i know drones are machines, but your point about not putting a bounty on them is a little silly, if the terminator was roaming the streets and the cops couldnt kill em they would probably put a bounty on his head, But hes just a machine. [Sci-fi film Sci-fi game]
If the cops and the army couldn't kill something, what makes you think that anything in the hands of the general public would be able to ?
With bounties its more like the police could kill them if they find them, but don't have the manpower to go hunting for them. So they give the general public some incentive to go hunting for them instead.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 06/01/2007 09:54:26
While I am perfectly ok with no bounties on drones (particularly mission ones), I think tha a small security standing increase (and maybe very tini a standing increase with all the faction) should be implemented.
Every rogue drone destroyed is a increase in security for the life of Empire citizen. While pirates cam be linked to and secretly supported by enemy factions to weaken one or more empires (for example Serpentis are probably supported by at least some Caldari Corporation, ecc.), the drones are the one out of control for all the Empires, and a danger for every empire and corporation, so destroing them shoul get a little consideration from all the major factions.
BTW: drones in missions don't give salvage.
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Sovy Kurosei
Amarr
Therianthropic Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.06 10:04:00 -
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I wouldn't mind an increase to security status when destroying drones. I'm kind of surprised you don't when I first heard about that nuance. 
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.06 10:37:00 -
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CONCORD has to care about Rogue Drones being around for them to have bounties.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 10:42:00 -
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u see CCP want u to be able to have something that isnt straight bounties the new regions are there specific for , minerals, gas cloud and hidden and rare plexes as well as low quantity but broadbased ore types
All posts made by myself represent my personal opinion only - they do not represent the rest of the privateer alliacne unless they decide to agree with what im saying
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
guess they should have bountied it! Linkage
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar
The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:29:00 -
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most npc ships do not have pods, only in a few stories do some have a pod, the majourity are fully staffed.
Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
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ghosttr
Amarr
Point-Zero
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:23:00 -
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I dont mind the drones, the alloys are really impacting mineral markets in a bad way. And the corp hanger is bone dry because they don't drop any loot. There no true or dark drone rulers, so you dont have a chance of getting any really expensive loot. I think that we should get named drones for our gallente pilots, and have to kill these drones for the bps. Just think about it, a carrier with battleship drones waiting for you at the gate FTW.
I don't have a problem with authority...
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Pwny McPwnerson
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
Nah... I'd just shut off the power. Problem solved.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hesod Adee
The bounty is placed on the pirates because of crimes they have already committed (these crimes might include aiding that pirate faction) and if you kill a human he stays dead.
They used to put bounties on wolves, or other animals that were a threat or nuisance to society. Bounties don't have to have anything to do with crimes.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.01.06 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Hesod Adee
The bounty is placed on the pirates because of crimes they have already committed (these crimes might include aiding that pirate faction) and if you kill a human he stays dead.
They used to put bounties on wolves, or other animals that were a threat or nuisance to society. Bounties don't have to have anything to do with crimes.
Aye, so much $ a pelt wasn't it?
New EVE skill: Rogue Drone Skinning (3)
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Doc Extropy
Gallente
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.06 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Hesod Adee
The bounty is placed on the pirates because of crimes they have already committed (these crimes might include aiding that pirate faction) and if you kill a human he stays dead.
They used to put bounties on wolves, or other animals that were a threat or nuisance to society. Bounties don't have to have anything to do with crimes.
I'm so glad this is not the rp section.
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Admiral Chamrajnagar
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Posted - 2007.01.06 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
This post made me LOL, thanks I needed that.
But the reason they lack bounties, is because they drop alloys, that can be directly refined for rare ore that in turn gives you isk.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.01.06 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Chamrajnagar
Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
This post made me LOL, thanks I needed that.
But the reason they lack bounties, is because they drop alloys, that can be directly refined for rare ore that in turn gives you isk.
NPC Battleships drop loot which can be sold for ISK or refined into minerals which can be sold for ISK.
So... why don't drones have bounties?
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