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vinnymcg Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.06 03:41:00 - [1] This doesn't make much sense to me but I'm sure there someone in here that knows better. We kill all other factions and get bounties from concord for ridding the galaxy of these scum, but not drones because......because why? because there aren't people inside them? Because the ships get rebuilt by a machine? We kill a normal pirates and get a bounty he wakes up in a clone and goes back to causing havoc. We kill a drone it dies and another is built and starts to cause havoc again, whats the difference?
Thetys Surfer des Sandwurms	Posted - 2007.01.06 03:43:00 - [2] for the same reason they do not have things to salvage :( i guess ccp wants us to be happy and sattisfied with the compound things they got (want more drone controllers!!) regards thetys ------
Pwny McPwnerson	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:10:00 - [3] Other NPC rats have pilots in them. They're members of whatever faction piloting the ship, and you're killing the person the bounty is for. Drones are machines. No pilot. It doesn't make sense to put a bounty on a machine. I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance.
subvert	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:29:00 - [4] Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:53:00 - [5] Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would LOL
Ikarushka A.O.U. Corp	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:57:00 - [6] Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would yah, killing people to take their laundary
tiewan	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:59:00 - [7] Ok I just put a $20 bounty on my neighbors loud washing machine. Go get it boys...
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:59:00 - [8] So the rouge drones have all my missing socks Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw!
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.06 05:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Thetys for the same reason they do not have things to salvage :( Actually they have loads of salvage materials, all of them in fact. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.06 06:22:00 - [10] Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would I see you've met my washing machine then. Rogue Hotpoints... be afraid! Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
vinnymcg Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.06 06:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Thetys for the same reason they do not have things to salvage :( i guess ccp wants us to be happy and sattisfied with the compound things they got (want more drone controllers!!) regards thetys Actually your wrong there coz im salvaging a drone right now and ive been getting stuff all day.
vinnymcg Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.06 07:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson Other NPC rats have pilots in them. They're members of whatever faction piloting the ship, and you're killing the person the bounty is for. Drones are machines. No pilot. It doesn't make sense to put a bounty on a machine. I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. Well this is exactly my point, concord is putting bounties on these Faction Pilotes because we are killing them thus stoping them killing inisent people, but this is a bit stupid as we know that the pilots we kill weill wake up in a clone jump into a ship and go back to there life of crime. Yea i know drones are machines, but your point about not putting a bounty on them is a little silly, if the terminator was roaming the streets and the cops couldnt kill em they would probably put a bounty on his head, But hes just a machine. [Sci-fi film Sci-fi game] I think concord should pay us for every drone we kill because each drone we kill is still the same as killing a normal NPC with or with out a pilot it makes no difference. Kill a pilot he will be back in a ship in a few seconds kill a drone a new one will be built in a few seconds there is no difference.
hangnoose Caldari DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.06 07:11:00 - [13] What ccp doesn't give in bounties they give in minerals... Looted 97m3 worth of compound in a frig, got to a empire station and refined it. Got 2.5m isk just from that alone.
Elesen Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.01.06 08:15:00 - [14] Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would I'd do more than put a bounty on it
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2007.01.06 08:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Ikarushka Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would yah, killing people to take their laundary The ultimate panty raid =X this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Hesod Adee Bright New Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.06 09:22:00 - [16] The bounty is placed on the pirates because of crimes they have already committed (these crimes might include aiding that pirate faction) and if you kill a human he stays dead. But the drones are AI, which changes things. Lets say that an AI commits a crime and gets a bounty placed upon him. He then copies himself into an identically configured piece of hardware. Which copy do you stick the bounty on ? If you pick both you are going to have to reduce the bounty on each and/or increase the cost to yourself. With enough copies its either going to be too expensive to pay, or not worth someone killing them for the bounty. Now you somehow pick which one to stick the bounty on. So the drone goes and gets that one blown up and collects the bounty, then walks away with he money while still not being punished. In fact you placing the bounty on them has benefited them and cost you. (how many eve players get themselves podded by a friend/alt to collect their bounty money ?) So the bounty will either bankrupt whoever funded it, be too cheap for anyone to care about, only hurt the drone mind as much as losing a ship would hurt a pirate, or it the worst case it could actually benefit the drones if you assume they convince humans to act as middlemen where required. This is all assuming that the drones have a human level reasoning capability. If their reasoning is more on the level of wild animals, their actions can be explained by them seeing the minerals as a food source and them seeing humans as competitors for that food source. ----------------- My door is always open, just don't go in.
Hesod Adee Bright New Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.06 09:39:00 - [17] Originally by: vinnymcg Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson Other NPC rats have pilots in them. They're members of whatever faction piloting the ship, and you're killing the person the bounty is for. Drones are machines. No pilot. It doesn't make sense to put a bounty on a machine. I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. Well this is exactly my point, concord is putting bounties on these Faction Pilotes because we are killing them thus stoping them killing inisent people, but this is a bit stupid as we know that the pilots we kill weill wake up in a clone jump into a ship and go back to there life of crime. But do the pilots of NPC ships have access to cloning services ? [url="http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/14-07-05.asp"Though even if the pilots do, the rest of the crew don't[/url]. Quote: Yea i know drones are machines, but your point about not putting a bounty on them is a little silly, if the terminator was roaming the streets and the cops couldnt kill em they would probably put a bounty on his head, But hes just a machine. [Sci-fi film Sci-fi game] If the cops and the army couldn't kill something, what makes you think that anything in the hands of the general public would be able to ? With bounties its more like the police could kill them if they find them, but don't have the manpower to go hunting for them. So they give the general public some incentive to go hunting for them instead. ----------------- My door is always open, just don't go in.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.06 09:57:00 - [18] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 06/01/2007 09:54:26 While I am perfectly ok with no bounties on drones (particularly mission ones), I think tha a small security standing increase (and maybe very tini a standing increase with all the faction) should be implemented. Every rogue drone destroyed is a increase in security for the life of Empire citizen. While pirates cam be linked to and secretly supported by enemy factions to weaken one or more empires (for example Serpentis are probably supported by at least some Caldari Corporation, ecc.), the drones are the one out of control for all the Empires, and a danger for every empire and corporation, so destroing them shoul get a little consideration from all the major factions. BTW: drones in missions don't give salvage.
Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.06 10:04:00 - [19] I wouldn't mind an increase to security status when destroying drones. I'm kind of surprised you don't when I first heard about that nuance. ___________________
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.06 10:37:00 - [20] CONCORD has to care about Rogue Drones being around for them to have bounties. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.06 10:42:00 - [21] u see CCP want u to be able to have something that isnt straight bounties the new regions are there specific for , minerals, gas cloud and hidden and rare plexes as well as low quantity but broadbased ore types All posts made by myself represent my personal opinion only - they do not represent the rest of the privateer alliacne unless they decide to agree with what im saying
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.01.06 13:21:00 - [22] Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would guess they should have bountied it! Linkage
Calisto Cody Minmatar The Black Swan Society	Posted - 2007.01.06 13:29:00 - [23] most npc ships do not have pods, only in a few stories do some have a pod, the majourity are fully staffed. Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would
ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.06 14:23:00 - [24] I dont mind the drones, the alloys are really impacting mineral markets in a bad way. And the corp hanger is bone dry because they don't drop any loot. There no true or dark drone rulers, so you dont have a chance of getting any really expensive loot. I think that we should get named drones for our gallente pilots, and have to kill these drones for the bps. Just think about it, a carrier with battleship drones waiting for you at the gate FTW. I don't have a problem with authority... ...as long as it doesn't get in my way.
Pwny McPwnerson	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:45:00 - [25] Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would Nah... I'd just shut off the power. Problem solved.
Merdaneth Amarr Un4seen Development	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Hesod Adee The bounty is placed on the pirates because of crimes they have already committed (these crimes might include aiding that pirate faction) and if you kill a human he stays dead. They used to put bounties on wolves, or other animals that were a threat or nuisance to society. Bounties don't have to have anything to do with crimes.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Hesod Adee The bounty is placed on the pirates because of crimes they have already committed (these crimes might include aiding that pirate faction) and if you kill a human he stays dead. They used to put bounties on wolves, or other animals that were a threat or nuisance to society. Bounties don't have to have anything to do with crimes. Aye, so much $ a pelt wasn't it? New EVE skill: Rogue Drone Skinning (3) ------------------- ... [OK] ...
Doc Extropy Gallente Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Hesod Adee The bounty is placed on the pirates because of crimes they have already committed (these crimes might include aiding that pirate faction) and if you kill a human he stays dead. They used to put bounties on wolves, or other animals that were a threat or nuisance to society. Bounties don't have to have anything to do with crimes. I'm so glad this is not the rp section.

Admiral Chamrajnagar	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:35:00 - [29] Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would This post made me LOL, thanks I needed that. But the reason they lack bounties, is because they drop alloys, that can be directly refined for rare ore that in turn gives you isk.

ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Admiral Chamrajnagar Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would This post made me LOL, thanks I needed that. But the reason they lack bounties, is because they drop alloys, that can be directly refined for rare ore that in turn gives you isk. NPC Battleships drop loot which can be sold for ISK or refined into minerals which can be sold for ISK. So... why don't drones have bounties?
Joe Tradez	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:52:00 - [31] Like many of the recent changes as well, it all comes down to them not wanting to create more objects to be tracked in the DB. If they dropped alloy and loot it would double the amount of entries in the DB. CCP insists on maintaining one huge shard, and so must cut corners wherever they can to allow this.
Ralus eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:56:00 - [32] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: Admiral Chamrajnagar Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would This post made me LOL, thanks I needed that. But the reason they lack bounties, is because they drop alloys, that can be directly refined for rare ore that in turn gives you isk. NPC Battleships drop loot which can be sold for ISK or refined into minerals which can be sold for ISK. So... why don't drones have bounties? probably because the alloys can be refined into a lot of minerals that can be sold, remember the high end mineral markets crashing atm because of the drone alloys so you must can make quite a lot already off them
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:57:00 - [33] When you get 3m to 6m worth of minerals per BS don't cry about no bounties. ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Sagnius	Posted - 2007.01.06 19:00:00 - [34] bounties are a direct cash injection into the economy, alloya are not, they just shift isk form one player to another.
Fortior STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.06 19:09:00 - [35] Originally by: Sagnius bounties are a direct cash injection into the economy, alloya are not, they just shift isk form one player to another. Cha-ching! We have a winner! Besides, I think it's a great idea by CCP. The new regions are awesome for the industrial-minded groups, not so much for the PVP'ers. A new take on 0.0, very interesting.
Natasha Kerensky The Company Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.06 19:24:00 - [36] Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 06/01/2007 19:36:31 Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 06/01/2007 19:23:44 Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 06/01/2007 19:22:23 Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would Good Point Cycler Drone Mk III SOMEBODY GET WINTERBLINK OVER HERE NOW!!
Nero Scuro Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.01.06 19:49:00 - [37] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: Admiral Chamrajnagar Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would This post made me LOL, thanks I needed that. But the reason they lack bounties, is because they drop alloys, that can be directly refined for rare ore that in turn gives you isk. NPC Battleships drop loot which can be sold for ISK or refined into minerals which can be sold for ISK. So... why don't drones have bounties? Because you get more/rarer mins from alloys than you do from most NPC drops. Admiral C. - directly refined for rare ore Reading comprehension 4tw. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.07 13:08:00 - [38] The IC explanation is probably that CONCORD can't track drone kills reliably and so can't bounty them or offer sec status rewards. The OOC explanation is probably a combination of the point above about not injecting cash, and CCP wanting them to supply minerals for people building stuff in the new regions. If the latter is true, though, they need to boost low-end drops considerably because currently it's not much different from anywhere else due to having to ship in all the low-ends manually.
vinnymcg Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:31:00 - [39] Hey guys im back on the tread. Right now to make clear what ive been saying. Yes you kill are drone and eventually get paid a decent bit of cash when you refine the loot, this is nice but ied like a little cash to go with it. I'm not talking bout a lot just a bit, like 200k for the BS's. Also I do think we should get a sec increase for killing the drones and it should be on par with all other sized ships in eve. And yes most of you are right there drone drops are messing up the market is this a bad thing? well yes and no, Its bad for people living in the new regions as each week we make less and less money while the people in every other region make the same amount of cash but are now going to be getting cheaper ships, yes i know so are we but we have also have less money to buy em.....Is this a ploy by CCP to reduce inflation?
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:53:00 - [40] Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would Wins the thread Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
Altaree Gallente Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.09 14:29:00 - [41] Originally by: Admiral Chamrajnagar Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would This post made me LOL, thanks I needed that. But the reason they lack bounties, is because they drop alloys, that can be directly refined for rare ore that in turn gives you isk. Damnit, he got my hopes up. I was thinking "Hey, a Dev is FINALLY going to comment on drones not being salvageable." But Nooo.... Not this time.
Redback911	Posted - 2007.01.09 14:35:00 - [42] LOL This thread wins. And please stop trying to make it serious again :-)
vinnymcg Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:11:00 - [43] Originally by: Altaree Damnit, he got my hopes up. I was thinking "Hey, a Dev is FINALLY going to comment on drones not being salvageable." But Nooo.... Not this time. Actually if you read there entire tread you would have seen that i already said that there 0.0 drones are salvageable, all of em, im making a mint off the stuff too.
Manufakturka	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Admiral Chamrajnagar Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would This post made me LOL, thanks I needed that. But the reason they lack bounties, is because they drop alloys, that can be directly refined for rare ore that in turn gives you isk. I recall SF story by Stanislaw Lem about intelligent washing machines who went bezerk, killed humans, eventually formed their own society and went on on space conquest:)
Kala Veijo Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:41:00 - [45] Drones dont have bounties on em because they aint evil. They just wanna exists in universe (allthought alone it would seem). So... ...Save a drone, frag Tiller instead.™ Warp Wind, CSM Chapter blog.
Kala Veijo Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:41:00 - [46] Drones dont have bounties on em because they aint evil. They just wanna exists in universe (allthought alone it would seem). So... ...Save a drone, frag Tiller instead.™ Warp Wind, CSM Chapter blog.
Wibiq	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:53:00 - [47] Actually it's a huge conspiracy. The reason Condord doesn't put a bounty on drones is because they have a deal worked out with the medical facilities. Concord gets a cut from every clone that's spawned. It's also why they allow wars in Empire for a fee :D
Gloria Stitz	Posted - 2007.01.14 19:04:00 - [48] Why would drones crave chocolate covered coconut fondant? Thread makes no sense at all. ------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------
Frezik Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:00:00 - [49] Originally by: Kala Veijo Drones dont have bounties on em because they aint evil. They just wanna exists in universe (allthought alone it would seem). Krickit! Krickit! Krickit! Drones drop fantastic refinable loot. Lvl4 Rouge Drone missions are some of the most farmed missions around for a reason. Giving them a bounty would be like giving the Raven nine hi-slots ducks
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:11:00 - [50] Try because 0.0 Belt Drone BS dropped - at the market prices the day Revelations went live on SISI - up to 7m isk worth of minerals (mostly high-ends) each, every single time, unlike 0.0 BS loot which is mostly useless crap with the odd bit of stuff that sells thrown in there. They're all the same loot-wise (the loot spanws randomly so they dropped 4.5 to 7m of mins each back then), spawn most often in 3s, respawn as often as other belt BS do, and with that knowledge I'll let you work out just how insanely profitable they can be if you have a good way to shift stupid quantities of high-ends to empire You do, howoever, need a hauler alt as each BS drops up to 500m3 of drone ****e. ---------------- Boost T2 Plate HP!
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Thor Xian CONCORD has to care about Rogue Drones being around for them to have bounties. Then why NPC pirates in 0.0 have bounties? CONCORD don't care about what happens in 0.0
turnschuh Eye of God	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:07:00 - [52] Edited by: turnschuh on 14/01/2007 21:04:00 Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Thor Xian CONCORD has to care about Rogue Drones being around for them to have bounties. Then why NPC pirates in 0.0 have bounties? CONCORD don't care about what happens in 0.0 The reason why drones dont have bountys is because there is noone piloting them, normal NPCs have bounty because the ppl who pilot them are bad / pirates. You cant put a bounty on a ship with no pilot.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 13:10:00 - [53] Personally, I'd like to see drones begin to spread out of their newly-opened cage, conquering region after region, becoming the "wild animals" of EVE, reducing the Human factions (Empire and pirate) to just a few well fortified regions. One day -----------------------------------------------
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.15 13:15:00 - [54] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Thor Xian CONCORD has to care about Rogue Drones being around for them to have bounties. Then why NPC pirates in 0.0 have bounties? CONCORD don't care about what happens in 0.0 They're not supposed to care, but I can assure you that they do. Try running missions for one of the pirate factions and you'll see what I mean. -----
Xsag Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.15 13:17:00 - [55] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: subvert Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson I would not put a bounty on a washing machine, for instance. if your washing machine was going around killing people you would LOL also LOL - ah yes random laughing in the office then followed by explaining the joke to non eve players all helps pass my working week ~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ / ~~Muvolailen~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~
CT Tarantula	Posted - 2007.01.15 14:57:00 - [56] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Thetys for the same reason they do not have things to salvage :( Actually they have loads of salvage materials, all of them in fact. humz, tried to salvage a LOT of em... Never got any...they were however lht and med drones, perhaps the lower dont give salvage because they r too small??? Or is the salvage changed recently??? after a few missions that involved drones i tried to salvage em, nothing but a waist of time i stopped trying to salvage drones... CTT
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 15:53:00 - [57] Originally by: CT Tarantula Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Thetys for the same reason they do not have things to salvage :( Actually they have loads of salvage materials, all of them in fact. humz, tried to salvage a LOT of em... Never got any...they were however lht and med drones, perhaps the lower dont give salvage because they r too small??? Or is the salvage changed recently??? after a few missions that involved drones i tried to salvage em, nothing but a waist of time i stopped trying to salvage drones... CTT Salvage from missions is always pretty rubbish, and non-existant for drones, I think. The regional belt-drones drop plenty though, I gather. -----------------------------------------------
Veinfiller	Posted - 2007.01.15 15:54:00 - [58] mission drones don't give salvage, at least not in high sec. they're different from 0.0 drones.
Carter Burke	Posted - 2007.01.15 17:41:00 - [59] Originally by: Fortior Originally by: Sagnius bounties are a direct cash injection into the economy, alloya are not, they just shift isk form one player to another. Cha-ching! We have a winner! Besides, I think it's a great idea by CCP. The new regions are awesome for the industrial-minded groups, not so much for the PVP'ers. A new take on 0.0, very interesting. That is not the case. The alloy did not exist prior to the drone's destruction. Hence it introduces an item of value into the game. While I understand your fixation with actual cash, the creation of the item still dilutes the presence of already-existing items which themselves have value. The ISK is simply a common currency that establishes a baseline from which to operate. Note: I neither support nor oppose any suggestion made here, I simply wished to clarify a misunderstanding in the making. CB
Minsc Gallente A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.15 19:19:00 - [60] While the amount of high-ends that drop from rogue drones in the new regions are nice, they need to seriously increase the low-ends that are dropped because there is far too little of them dropped and as someone said, the only viable alternative is to ship lowends in from empire. Originally by: Sharkbait please for the love of god read the dam stickies
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:10:00 - [61] So they haven't fixed roids spawning @ 100 units and never growing yet? ---------------- Boost T2 Plate HP!
Socket Toomey	Posted - 2007.02.13 18:17:00 - [62] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Thor Xian CONCORD has to care about Rogue Drones being around for them to have bounties. Then why NPC pirates in 0.0 have bounties? CONCORD don't care about what happens in 0.0 In missions your getting paid to run the mission and min drops are much better than the loot in your average NPC mission. As for drone regions techinically Concord doesn't know what is out there yet cause it is new regions.
Socket Toomey	Posted - 2007.02.13 18:24:00 - [63] Originally by: keepiru So they haven't fixed roids spawning @ 100 units and never growing yet? Last I heard the roids are operating as CCP intended in the new regions. Has anyone tred roi farming out there? Where you mine them to a minimal amount without depleting the roids and when they respawn they come back larger?
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.13 18:28:00 - [64] Originally by: Socket Toomey Has anyone tred roi farming out there? Where you mine them to a minimal amount without depleting the roids and when they respawn they come back larger? Theres no point in "farming" roids, if anything you'll get less ore from a belt. -- .sig apathy ftw
Resipsa Loquitor Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.13 18:47:00 - [65] Originally by: Fortior Originally by: Sagnius bounties are a direct cash injection into the economy, alloya are not, they just shift isk form one player to another. Cha-ching! We have a winner! Besides, I think it's a great idea by CCP. The new regions are awesome for the industrial-minded groups, not so much for the PVP'ers. A new take on 0.0, very interesting. My thoughts were exactly the same - I'm glad to see a former ASCN person thought of this as well. The drone regions are a manufacturer's paradise. Procedure: Mine for lows and mids and npc for highs; refine at a tower refinery; use minerals to load egg; deploy refinery; mine and npc; load egg; deploy manufacturing hub; mine and npc; make tons and tons of ships and equipment; profit; war; profit; war; rinse and repeat. If you have a very wealthy investor - an alliance-level type investor - a group can be set up rather quickly with proper logistics and end up becoming a force to be reckoned within mere months. If they receive this angel and venture capital investment, returns could be huge. The profits are not from supplying the open market in empire with raw materials - minerals. The profits always come from supplying finished materials to the market - ships, equipment. An open channel to empire is worth more than anything from those regions.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.13 19:00:00 - [66] Originally by: Hesod Adee But do the pilots of NPC ships have access to cloning services? Every NPC faction has atleast one station with cloning bays, or an ally with them, so yes, I'd say so. However, if you were to kill the pilot when they're outside of the pod, they're screwed, because the Pod is where the mind-transmitting technology is housed. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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