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Miri Tirzan	Posted - 2003.12.01 02:26:00 - [1] There is an easy way to make pirates happy. Make the warp free zone for gates 50km. Have the warp free affect both warp in and out. Have warp free zones for stations at 50km. Make minerals and modules 100 times larger. Remove the turret from the freighters. Make the cargo bay of the freighters 100 times larger. Why do you ask, because the prey of pirates are freighters not warships. Pirates should, as they do now, run from a combat force. I could list why this is good for PvP but would most likely get flamed. --------------------------------------------! svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Sylia Masters	Posted - 2003.12.01 03:11:00 - [2] Edited by: Sylia Masters on 01/12/2003 03:11:36 That would make Eve unplayable. 50 km (40km with 10km towing range for stations and JGs) is a long long distance. Depeding on the ship config it could take a good 400 seconds (6 minutes 40 seconds) to reach either of these. 1) It takes less then a minute to blow up an indy 2) It adds 600% to the travel time of each system 3) Agent missions and mining are now very impractical.
Miri Tirzan	Posted - 2003.12.01 03:20:00 - [3] Your math does not completely work out. Most indies can handle 4 or more ABs. I use 4 myself and do 420+mps without MWD on my Bestower. The distance from the gate you need to be to jump is 11km. At 400+mps, which is not that hard to do, then it takes about 90 seconds to do 39km. This does not make the game unplayable. Stations are not much different than this. Agent missions are borning but they are so easy it is a joke. As to the issue of mining, I did not suggest that ore be bulker, larger, so freighters can carry more ore to make mining easier. What this does do is make it hard to move many modules or minerals with warships, you will have to use transports that will have to be protected. I guess I just dont agree with your reasoning that this is bad. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.12.01 03:30:00 - [4] Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 01/12/2003 03:32:30 Quote: Your math does not completely work out. Most indies can handle 4 or more ABs. I use 4 myself and do 420+mps without MWD on my Bestower. The distance from the gate you need to be to jump is 11km. At 400+mps, which is not that hard to do, then it takes about 90 seconds to do 39km. This does not make the game unplayable. Stations are not much different than this. Okay, so you have covered a ship with 4 afterburners equipped... Now lets talk about a 30 jump trip out into 0.0 in a battleship that does 150 m/s. That's a minimum of 11 minutes of travel time per system, not including warp time which can often take over a minute itself. Do the math. You're talking about almost an hour for every 5 jumps. Unplayable about sums it up. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Miri Tirzan	Posted - 2003.12.01 03:40:00 - [5] Edited by: Miri Tirzan on 01/12/2003 03:42:15 Quote: Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 01/12/2003 03:32:30 Quote: Your math does not completely work out. Most indies can handle 4 or more ABs. I use 4 myself and do 420+mps without MWD on my Bestower. The distance from the gate you need to be to jump is 11km. At 400+mps, which is not that hard to do, then it takes about 90 seconds to do 39km. This does not make the game unplayable. Stations are not much different than this. Okay, so you have covered a ship with 4 afterburners equipped... Now lets talk about a 30 jump trip out into 0.0 in a battleship that does 150 m/s. That's a minimum of 11 minutes of travel time per system, not including warp time which can often take over a minute itself. Do the math. You're talking about almost an hour for every 5 jumps. Unplayable about sums it up. Well, that is a good point. How about warships having better shielding and can take the strain of warping closer to gates and get the 30 or 35 km that was stated is going to happen by the Devs? Then this change mainly affects the movement of goods. But even then your 30 jump trip is going to take 1 hour not counting time warping with just what the Dev's are going to do. I still think the same warp free zone should be around stations. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.12.01 03:57:00 - [6] If we're going to do something for pirates, lets implement slowly degrading CONCORD response and sentry gun strength from 0.9-0.1 systems. Viola, plenty of happy pirates. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Othnark	Posted - 2003.12.01 06:17:00 - [7] I think the other thing you need to do for pirates is ensure that there exists a "way back" into empire space. It shouldnt be easy, but pirates should be able to repair their security status. It is unreasonable to ask someone to wait 40 days so that he can enter back into 1.0 space if he has killed a few ships. Especially in light of the rampant security hit bugs and flawed system. I actually toook a securiy hit a few nights ago when I deactivated a module that was on autorepeat. -Othnark
Herophant	Posted - 2003.12.01 06:47:00 - [8] Quote: [list] Make the warp free zone for gates 50km. --------------------------------------------! What we need to do is make an item that lets the pirates/bountyhunters increase the range. DO u remember how boring traveling was before u got ab-MWDs? Now u wanna make it 6 times worse? Not everybody has these skills you know(I do) The mouintan the noobs have to climb is far enough.
Fencer	Posted - 2003.12.01 06:53:00 - [9] hum. guess what you really want is a server called Pirate haven, and other called carebears central, a third called everybody else, and a 4th called chaos. this is not Burger King, you do not get it your way. what you suggest would just add to the player base decline and finish of EVE as a game but then again you did say it was to make pirate's happy. I thought they were happyest when they had gate or JIP lagged all to hell and pod killed everybody insight or could pod kill newbies outside starter stations My alt hates me, I don't know why. he won't even talk to me anymore
Runinlate	Posted - 2003.12.01 08:06:00 - [10] Edited by: Runinlate on 01/12/2003 08:08:40 I'll make this simple so that even a Pirate can understand it, they can all take a flying sexual experience with a rolling doughnut for all I care about their gripes and complaints. This game almost totaly caters to thier every whim already so why not give them everything they want. How about Indies that simply blow up when they target them and leave all Mods and Ore intact, as well as preventing they Pilots from warping out until after a set time limit to give them ample opportunity to claim a pod kill. Hey how about a special FBG for pirates only that will penetrate all shields and bypass all mods to meant beef up other players Battleships just so they can stick around in a fight instead of running everytime someone with a warship shows up. Why not give them bounties on every Indy that they destroy or hour spent camping a gate on a supply route instead of doing something that contributes to the games community positively. I don't know why we don't just seek out every Pirate in the game and personally thank them for helping to drive most of the player base away and prevent those players that do remain from doing anything useful either. By all means lets stop being mean to the poor Pirate after all thats why this game was created wasn't, to cater to the lowest aspects of our society and give them some legitimacy that they don't have access to in the real world. I'm sure this game will prosper once all the non-pirates have left it for greener pastures... Yeah right! You reap what you sew Pirates I hope you'll all be happy once this game goes under, thanks for your positive contribution to this game, its been a valuable lesson in human nature.
Monty Burns	Posted - 2003.12.01 08:14:00 - [11] OK i am a complete pirate n00b (as im about to reinforce with my post ;-) ) but what so dificult about warping into the minig fields as I have/do and loosing off a few rounds at minors? Works for me. Amazing how many people don't protect themselves when mining in 0.4 or lower .... just deserve it :-) And now I have trained up one of those webythingywatsits I should atually get a couple of kills! lol Be lucky! Darwin 4tw
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.12.01 08:17:00 - [12] Quote: Edited by: Runinlate on 01/12/2003 08:08:40 I'll make this simple so that even a Pirate can understand it, they can all take a flying sexual experience with a rolling doughnut for all I care about their gripes and complaints. This game almost totaly caters to thier every whim already so why not give them everything they want. How about Indies that simply blow up when they target them and leave all Mods and Ore intact, as well as preventing they Pilots from warping out until after a set time limit to give them ample opportunity to claim a pod kill. Hey how about a special FBG for pirates only that will penetrate all shields and bypass all mods to meant beef up other players Battleships just so they can stick around in a fight instead of running everytime someone with a warship shows up. Why not give them bounties on every Indy that they destroy or hour spent camping a gate on a supply route instead of doing something that contributes to the games community positively. I don't know why we don't just seek out every Pirate in the game and personally thank them for helping to drive most of the player base away and prevent those players that do remain from doing anything useful either. By all means lets stop being mean to the poor Pirate after all thats why this game was created wasn't, to cater to the lowest aspects of our society and give them some legitimacy that they don't have access to in the real world. I'm sure this game will prosper once all the non-pirates have left it for greener pastures... Yeah right! You reap what you sew Pirates I hope you'll all be happy once this game goes under, thanks for your positive contribution to this game, its been a valuable lesson in human nature. How about you buy this handy book: Paragraphs For Dummies. Then End YourselfÖ I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Varia	Posted - 2003.12.01 08:56:00 - [13] Quote: OK i am a complete pirate n00b (as im about to reinforce with my post ;-) ) but what so dificult about warping into the minig fields as I have/do and loosing off a few rounds at minors? Works for me. Amazing how many people don't protect themselves when mining in 0.4 or lower .... just deserve it :-) And now I have trained up one of those webythingywatsits I should atually get a couple of kills! lol Be lucky! Because it's illegal to shoot minors, you should wait untill they are at least 18 years of age. Women that strive to equal men lack ambition.
Indigo Seqi	Posted - 2003.12.01 09:04:00 - [14] - Get rid of the stupidly high acceleration multiple MWD's give. - Have stasis webs actually stop people, not just lower their max speed. - Get rid of the invul timer. - Don't make people appear in space before their client has properly loaded. - Randomize jump-in spots. - Self-destructing voids your insurance. - No more instajump gates anywhere. - Bookmark-free zone around each jumpgate/station. - Make ships faster. - Get rid of gate turrets turrets in 0.1, 0.3, 0.2 and 0.1 space.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.12.01 09:34:00 - [15] lol @ the guy with the huge whining paragraph. Indigo seems to have hit the nail on the head though. Although I'd add: Scout ships, or the ability to warp to scanner results. .
Wren	Posted - 2003.12.01 09:34:00 - [16] In my honest opinion, battleships should not be able to fly at the STUPID speeds that they already can achieve with MWD's. The stresses on the hulls of ships that large accellorating that fast would tear them appart. Battleships are SUPPOSED TO BE SLOW. If you want to gallavant accross the universe, then get in a shuttle or a frigate. In fact, just get rid of MWD's completely. All they do is screw up PVP anyway. Its not like you don't already have the ample chance to warp to a safe spot as soon as you see anyone enter the same system as you, but now you can get into a fight and then wuss out and run away at a billion km/s? It is all about roles. Frigates are supposed to be fast, nimble, and easily blown up. Battleships were supposed to be slow, turn like drunken slugs, and soak up lots of damage and dish out crazy amounts. BAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------------------------------
Maud Dib	Posted - 2003.12.01 15:52:00 - [17] Quote: - Get rid of the stupidly high acceleration multiple MWD's give. - Have stasis webs actually stop people, not just lower their max speed. - Get rid of the invul timer. - Don't make people appear in space before their client has properly loaded. - Randomize jump-in spots. - Self-destructing voids your insurance. - No more instajump gates anywhere. - Bookmark-free zone around each jumpgate/station. - Make ships faster. - Get rid of gate turrets turrets in 0.1, 0.3, 0.2 and 0.1 space. Bingo, just about perfect. A warp to mod would be good as well.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.12.01 16:02:00 - [18] Edited by: Jash Illian on 01/12/2003 16:03:10 I was pretty much through with this joke thread from Miri after replying to Runinlate's post. Then I got a heavemail from Runinlate. Quote: I would have at least expected a little more in the way of a rebutal but if I hit a little close to the mark I'll understand if you didin't feel up to providing a worthwhile reply. That's the only pertinent part. Quite honestly, I didn't want to go through the pain of disassmbling his post for a proper rebuttal (it's no better in an evemail, trust me). But he seems to want it. Quote: This game almost totaly caters to thier every whim already so why not give them everything they want. No, stupidity caters to anyone's whim. Making yourself a target, and there's really no better way than flying an overburdened hauler through dangerous areas alone, is stupidity. Going to a place whose entry stargates all but have a billboard stating "Get Eaten at Tank's!" is stupidity. Quote: <Snip Tantrum> Why not give them bounties on every Indy that they destroy or hour spent camping a gate on a supply route instead of doing something that contributes to the games community positively. Who says they have to make a positive contribution to the community? Not CCP. We can go through the box quotes again, but that's been done. But let's turn that around a bit... What was the last positive contribution anyone made to the community? Your wallets do not count as the community. Me? I was travelling through Aridia and someone took the time to warn me there were pirates in the area. So I turned off the autopilot, stopped at the stargate and guarded the gate open so she could escape. Didn't know what ships they had, had blueprint originals in the hold. Turned out to be bbirds, which were kinda outgunned by a scorpion. Quote: I don't know why we don't just seek out every Pirate in the game and personally thank them for helping to drive most of the player base away and prevent those players that do remain from doing anything useful either. Odd, I get plenty of useful things done. Even when the pirates are about. Don't try to blame the game's or your personal failings on the pirates. They have nothing to do with consistancy in the rules, bugfixes, new content or your lack of a spine. Quote: I'm sure this game will prosper once all the non-pirates have left it for greener pastures... Yeah right! You reap what you sew Pirates I hope you'll all be happy once this game goes under, thanks for your positive contribution to this game, its been a valuable lesson in human nature. Yes it has been a valuable lesson in human nature. Apparently even when nothing matters, people are cowards and will blame their own shortcomings on everyone except themselves. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.12.01 16:07:00 - [19] "It shouldnt be easy, but pirates should be able to repair their security status. It is unreasonable to ask someone to wait 40 days so that he can enter back into 1.0 space if he has killed a few ships" NOT! How lame is this! Why is it unreasonable for a murderer to suffer consequences of his actions! Lame... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.12.01 16:15:00 - [20] Quote: "It shouldnt be easy, but pirates should be able to repair their security status. It is unreasonable to ask someone to wait 40 days so that he can enter back into 1.0 space if he has killed a few ships" NOT! How lame is this! Why is it unreasonable for a murderer to suffer consequences of his actions! Lame... Nobody is dead so you can quit hyperventilating. But you might want to consider the fact if pirates had a means of travel through empire space, they might move around more. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Othnark	Posted - 2003.12.01 16:34:00 - [21] Quote: "It shouldnt be easy, but pirates should be able to repair their security status. It is unreasonable to ask someone to wait 40 days so that he can enter back into 1.0 space if he has killed a few ships" NOT! How lame is this! Why is it unreasonable for a murderer to suffer consequences of his actions! Lame... I just had to spend 2 and a half days including a 60 jump round trip going from -6.1 to 0.0. It only took me 2 ship kills and many drone kills to get here. Dont you think that disrupting my play time for over 2 daysis good enough of a "punishment" If i want to correct my status? Why should I have to wait a month and a half for this? Believe me 2 days plus is plenty of incentive to get pirates who want to travel the empire to be VERY selective about targets and to reconsider every action they take. -Othnark
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2003.12.01 16:41:00 - [22] Edited by: Dust Puppy on 01/12/2003 16:43:57 Quote: - Get rid of the stupidly high acceleration multiple MWD's give. - Have stasis webs actually stop people, not just lower their max speed. - Get rid of the invul timer. - Don't make people appear in space before their client has properly loaded. - Randomize jump-in spots. - Self-destructing voids your insurance. - No more instajump gates anywhere. - Bookmark-free zone around each jumpgate/station. - Make ships faster. - Get rid of gate turrets turrets in 0.1, 0.3, 0.2 and 0.1 space. Yeah I think you pretty much nailed it there. Of course you can¦t get rid of the invul timer until they have fixed the load lag. Personally I thing it would be one of the worst idea ever to always warp 50km from jumpgates and station. I wouldn¦t mind seeing something like a random factor where you warp somewhere between 10km and 50km. __________ Capacitor research
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.12.01 17:29:00 - [23] "Nobody is dead so you can quit hyperventilating. But you might want to consider the fact if pirates had a means of travel through empire space, they might move around more." I could care less what they want or need. I have to suffer certain consequences for not playing as a pirate, or belonging to an "alliance". I really can no longer go into 0.0 space and effeciently mine my own bistot without dying. That is the price I pay for playing the way I do. They can suck up and deal with the month long wait if they want to continue playing the way they play. Sorry, no sympathy... "Trust No One"
Xander Teg	Posted - 2003.12.01 17:58:00 - [24] Edited by: Xander Teg on 01/12/2003 17:58:58 Edited by: Xander Teg on 01/12/2003 17:58:38 Quote: "It shouldnt be easy, but pirates should be able to repair their security status. It is unreasonable to ask someone to wait 40 days so that he can enter back into 1.0 space if he has killed a few ships" NOT! How lame is this! Why is it unreasonable for a murderer to suffer consequences of his actions! Lame... Quote: I could care less what they want or need. I have to suffer certain consequences for not playing as a pirate, or belonging to an "alliance". I really can no longer go into 0.0 space and effeciently mine my own bistot without dying. That is the price I pay for playing the way I do. They can suck up and deal with the month long wait if they want to continue playing the way they play. Sorry, no sympathy... Name: Friend Bear Gender: Female Tummy Symbol: Info: Need a good friend? Friend Bear would love to be your best buddy bear. She's the perfect example of a friend, too. She's caring, likes to play with you and she's fun to be with. _________________ "For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack." -Rudyard Kipling
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.12.01 18:12:00 - [25] What's your point Xander... ...and...??? C'mon, you can do better than that, can't you? "Trust No One"
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.12.01 19:05:00 - [26] Quote: Dont you think that disrupting my play time for over 2 daysis good enough of a "punishment" If i want to correct my status? Why should I have to wait a month and a half for this? You think 2 days is a long time? How long did all the people you podded have to work for the ships you destroyed? I can guarantee you it was more than 2 days. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Kozak	Posted - 2003.12.01 19:20:00 - [27] Um, pirates are always boasting of killing dozens of ships every day gate camping. Is that not enough??? What the hell else do you want? Wanna kill more? Move into a popular area outside of empire space. There are many, just check the map and start killing.
Lallante	Posted - 2003.12.01 19:28:00 - [28] You stupid carebearz have no idea. And Luckily you are a dwindling minorty. One by One you try PvP, enjoy it, and stop mining in 1.0 with macros. Lets face it, there are many more carebear exploits in this game than combat ones, but they NEVER get dealt with. Its only once someone actually loses out that the devs do anything. Quote: I could care less what they want or need. I have to suffer certain consequences for not playing as a pirate, or belonging to an "alliance". I really can no longer go into 0.0 space and effeciently mine my own bistot without dying. That is the price I pay for playing the way I do. Anyone who thinks they should be able to safely solo mine bistot is exactly as stupid as anyone who thinks they should be able to solo every BS that passes their gate. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Indigo Seqi	Posted - 2003.12.01 20:09:00 - [29] "I have to suffer certain consequences for not playing as a pirate, or belonging to an "alliance". I really can no longer go into 0.0 space and effeciently mine my own bistot without dying. That is the price I pay for playing the way I do." Actually this is very doable, since I do it on one of my unknown alts often enough. It's just that you're apparantly not smart enough to pull it off. Oh but wait....grabs carebear dictionary Hmmm...ah yeah sorry, "efficiently" eh? No, you can indeed not do it without risk, within 5 jumps from empire space and without using your brain, I'm sorry for misunderstanding you.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.12.01 22:17:00 - [30] "Hmmm...ah yeah sorry, "efficiently" eh?" I'm not whining saying that I should be able to do so without risk (I think there should be risk, and there is). I know that I can't do it without risk, so therefore I make my millions in empire space, and let you fools sit at JIP's all day long and not get a chance to pod me. Don't you guys worry your pretty little heads about what I do in empire space. You always told me if I'm not gonna PvP, to stay in the safe systems, well that's what I'm doing. But yet, now we have PK'ers b!tching about how they can't come into empire space because of thier sec rating. Too bad! Stay in the systems you belong, and I'll do the same. I have mined in 0.0 space for bis, but quite frankly, I can make enough in empire space and not have to deal with you at the same time. So, you may think you are smarter than me and all, but... ...been there done that. I was just using it as an example of something a non-combatant can't do in 0.0 space, just the way you guys wanted it. When the time arises for me to foray back into 0.0 space, I'll take the proper precautions to cover me in the case of an unfortunate greifing. Till then, enjoy the JIP camping guys, you should be proud of your accomplishments, and the way you add such rich content to the game. Don't bypass the profanity filter. Thanks. - Orestes "Trust No One"

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