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Bath Sheeba
Another Success Story
10
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:28:00 -
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Confirmed. Remap option is no longer available.
Hmmmm......Hope they put it back up.
Weird.
I wonder if only a certain % of the eve community can pick each gift? So the longer you agonize the less choices you may have......that would explain the lack of a remap available as a choice today. |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
20
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:08:00 -
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I think it is more a matter of everyone's questions as to how it is implemented. Hopefully it will be back up once they get it ironed out.
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Claire Voyant
23
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:48:00 -
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Avensys wrote:cigarellos wrote:What would be the reason to select ammo, blueprints or ships over a neural remap when the others you can just buy with ISK? Unless CCP learns from past protests remaps will be pretty useless unless your character already has a remap available. During the learning skill removal the "extra" remap just brought forward your next scheduled remap if you had no remap available and started a new 12 months counter after that was used. If you had a remap available the new remap would stack upon it. I agree with this. A remap is more useful if you can plan on it or apply it without effecting the availability your next remap.
For example I am current on a IM remap. I plan to switch to a PW remap sometime in July or later when my next remap is available. I could use a short charisma remap (couldn't we all?) but any remap I chose now I would be stuck with for a year.
Maybe the lesson we should learn is to hold off until after every christmas before doing any remaps thus letting us stack the remap when and if it comes (it's been two years in a row that we've got one.)
Anyway, I will still probably choose the remap on all my accounts even though I might not use it simply because it is the one thing I can't buy. Also, who knows if they won't do something wacky like give us 2 or 3 or give us a 24-hour window for a free remap like last time. You really can't go wrong betting on a CCP screw-up. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
544
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:21:00 -
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Remaps are temporarily suspended (with possibility of being brought back or completely eliminated) pending changes to the way they're supposed to work. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46033 ^ For more details. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:05:00 -
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Now that is a reason to not take the remap. Hadn't actually realized they worked that way.
Took them on all my accounts anyway. /shrug |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
140
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:39:00 -
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Claire Voyant wrote:Avensys wrote:cigarellos wrote:What would be the reason to select ammo, blueprints or ships over a neural remap when the others you can just buy with ISK? Unless CCP learns from past protests remaps will be pretty useless unless your character already has a remap available. During the learning skill removal the "extra" remap just brought forward your next scheduled remap if you had no remap available and started a new 12 months counter after that was used. If you had a remap available the new remap would stack upon it. I agree with this. A remap is more useful if you can plan on it or apply it without effecting the availability your next remap. For example I am current on a IM remap. I plan to switch to a PW remap sometime in July or later when my next remap is available. I could use a short charisma remap (couldn't we all?) but any remap I chose now I would be stuck with for a year. Maybe the lesson we should learn is to hold off until after every christmas before doing any remaps thus letting us stack the remap when and if it comes (it's been two years in a row that we've got one.) Anyway, I will still probably choose the remap on all my accounts even though I might not use it simply because it is the one thing I can't buy. Also, who knows if they won't do something wacky like give us 2 or 3 or give us a 24-hour window for a free remap like last time. You really can't go wrong betting on a CCP screw-up.
This. I'm in a Per Will map. I have my skill queue overfull to the my new remap point in April. A remap now gives me roughly 0 extra utility. An alt I'm training is mapped exactly to the rest of the skills she'll have (with 17 hours off-map), I suppose a map there would go to the alt on that account I'd train after the one I train after the current one (yeah... that's a complicated account). Another account has 1 or 2 maps, I'm fine with adding one to that. |
Atreyu Bayne
Darkdust Industries Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:02:00 -
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Fuel Blocks: POS owners will choose this and sell the 3 they don't need. Lots of market warriors will pick this to sell. I don't see a goldmine here, will probably become LESS profitable the longer you wait to sell it once everyone and their dog starts churning out blocks. 40-65m
Fuel BPO's- Already Researched originals for sale via contract at 3-5m markups, no money to be made here unless you research + churn these out of the factory with your dog.
Outliers (Special ships): This will take years before you see a good isk value from your x-mas gift. Ignore.
Ammo/Missiles: Mission runners (A few faster missions or more isk without spending LP) and PVP'ers (More damage for free) will take this, ammo will get used up fast and the prices you see now are a good indicator of what they will STILL be at post x-mas, laser crystals will probably take a slight dip for a very short while however. Nothing exciting here.
+3 Implants - a safe 50m, pick this if you hate speculation. Also goes great with your shiny new 60 day trial alt.
CA-1 - A fitting Implant that I really don't see passing beyond 150m isk any time soon. Its visibility is limited to contracts however, so could be very flexible. Given some time this is probably one of the better gifts to pick for isk.
Aurum - Makes monocle more affordable. Smarter move would be to hold onto this if you don't care about the petty 40-100m you could potentially make on the other gifts. The Nex store will eventually (hopefully sooner than later) be expanded, and those new item's will certainly be worth some dough at first.
So in closing: -Wait to see if remap comes back and if change is decent. -Aurum is probably best pick overall, but will probably be a while before you get to use it on nice new things. -CA-1 is second best but also will take time before coming to fruition. -+3 implant set and fuel blocks are 3rd best, and the sales will be immediate/same week as x-mas. -Everything else is for personal use and fun.
Anyone Disagree? |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
144
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:09:00 -
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Atreyu Bayne wrote:Fuel Blocks: POS owners will choose this and sell the 3 they don't need. Lots of market warriors will pick this to sell. I don't see a goldmine here, will probably become LESS profitable the longer you wait to sell it once everyone and their dog starts churning out blocks. 40-65m
+3 Implants - a safe 50m, pick this if you hate speculation. Also goes great with your shiny new 60 day trial alt.
CA-1 - A fitting Implant that I really don't see passing beyond 150m isk any time soon. Its visibility is limited to contracts however, so could be very flexible. Given some time this is probably one of the better gifts to pick for isk.
Aurum - Makes monocle more affordable. Smarter move would be to hold onto this if you don't care about the petty 40-100m you could potentially make on the other gifts. The Nex store will eventually (hopefully sooner than later) be expanded, and those new item's will certainly be worth some dough at first.
So in closing: -Wait to see if remap comes back and if change is decent. -Aurum is probably best pick overall, but will probably be a while before you get to use it on nice new things. -CA-1 is second best but also will take time before coming to fruition. -+3 implant set and fuel blocks are 3rd best, and the sales will be immediate/same week as x-mas. -Everything else is for personal use and fun.
Anyone Disagree?
The fuel is what, 25hrs worth per type? I think most POS owners wouldn't notice the difference in their fuel runs.
I might aurum and drop a plex for a monocle if that works, if not, hold it for longer. Depends on how they deal with remaps though. |
Destamon
Azure Freelancers
6
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:30:00 -
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Aurum is best if you want to use it for yourself to get the monolcle. Resale value of NEX items is typically much lower than conversion rate of ISK to AUR. |
Miss Margin
Miss Margin Corp
4
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:25:00 -
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I'm curious about how even the distribution of the CA-1 vs the CA-2s are which could affect the longer term price of both. I imagine there are less CA-1due to more people signing up/reactivating after they were given out. But with this option it may be the opposite or reach equilibrium as people try to get the one they missed.
It'd be interesting to see how the market is affected if there were say 20% more of one than the y other. This character is for Sale, pure trade skills.-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=517979#post517979
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Sleekman
The Inf1dels
0
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:36:00 -
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Remap is back, best option. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:37:00 -
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Unless the remap gets reenabled I'm probably going for the specialty implant. I missed it the first time around and want to sect for collectors value.
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Miss Margin
Miss Margin Corp
4
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:47:00 -
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Sleekman wrote:Remap is back, best option.
And it's a +1 remap. It doesn't affect your 365 day timer.
This character is for Sale, pure trade skills.-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=517979#post517979
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
557
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Posted - 2011.12.14 21:55:00 -
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If I read it correctly, it's even better. It's bonus remap you can keep until the end of times to use in some much later emergency while still remapping as many times as you want as long as you let more than a year pass between remaps. Basically, the awesomest possible version.
Waiting for 100% confirmation. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Omniwing
Omnicorps
22
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Posted - 2011.12.14 22:40:00 -
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Can we confirm this, and if so, its probably the best choice, right? |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
23
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:22:00 -
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The Dev Blog and thread confirm it, go for the remap baby |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
560
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:02:00 -
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Quote:Bonus remaps never expire. After the code update, there will be two ways to remap:
* You will be able to remap normally. This option is only available for use when a year has elapsed from your last "normal remap".
* You will be able to instantly remap by using a "bonus remap" - these are the same as the remaps that newbies receive when they create their characters. When switching to the new system, you will keep any bonus remaps you had previously, and these will never expire.
When remapping, the system will first see if you can remap normally (on the annual timer). If you can, it will set your remapping timer and permit you to remap. That timer will then begin ticking down, and, one year later, you will be able to remap normally again.
If your timer is ticking, then the system requires you to use a bonus remap in order to remap your attributes. If you do not have any, you have to wait.
If you elect to use a bonus remap, your timer will not be affected.
Let's say that you have no bonus remaps at all - you've used up your newbie bonus remaps and haven't received any since. If you remapped normally on the 1st of December, 2011, you will then have to wait until the 1st of December, 2012 in order to remap again normally.
If you take the neural remapping Christmas gift, then you can use that bonus remap to remap at any time between when you receive the gift and the 1st of December, 2012. If you do so, then you will still be able to remap your attributes normally on the 1st of December, 2012. If you decide to wait until past the 1st of December, 2012 - let's say to the 2nd of December, 2012, then you will remap normally and not use your bonus remap.
Relevant things : * Bonus remaps are COMPLETELY separate from normal remaps - you can remap normally without using a bonus remap * Bonus remaps never expire - keep them until you really need them (or as a badge of sorts if you like)
Clearly, the best choice for all people that are NOT in dire need of some ISK (since everything else is worth well under 100 mil ISK no matter what else you pick). http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
60
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:35:00 -
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The remap option (which I did choose), does it give each char on the account an additional remap, or just the char with the highest SP? |
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
23
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:54:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The remap option (which I did choose), does it give each char on the account an additional remap, or just the char with the highest SP? Previous bonus remaps have been for the highest SP character on the account rather than for each character. I assume it will be the same this time. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
60
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Posted - 2011.12.15 15:18:00 -
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Jackie Fisher wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The remap option (which I did choose), does it give each char on the account an additional remap, or just the char with the highest SP? Previous bonus remaps have been for the highest SP character on the account rather than for each character. I assume it will be the same this time.
Thanks for the response. That will help with my skill-planning. |
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Chu Ran
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:47:00 -
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Regarding bonus remaps, I don't see a separate option ingame to use the "normal" remap versus a "bonus" remap. Are the codes updated yet to separate the two completely ingame? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
562
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:12:00 -
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Chu Ran wrote:Regarding bonus remaps, I don't see a separate option ingame to use the "normal" remap versus a "bonus" remap. Are the codes updated yet to separate the two completely ingame? No, not yet, but they will be by the time they distribute it. At least that's the plan. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Ghoest
28
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:00:00 -
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Hmm. Ive never used a remap. My main has 3 of them. Are you saying if i was to use one I would have to wait a year to use another? Or are those 3 already whats considered "bonus" remaps? Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
150
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:09:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:Hmm. Ive never used a remap. My main has 3 of them. Are you saying if i was to use one I would have to wait a year to use another? Or are those 3 already whats considered "bonus" remaps?
They'll either handle it by saying one of those 3 is a regular annual one and you now have 1 normal 2 bonus, or they'll just tag all 3 as bonus like they're doing with new toons 2 starting maps. |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:14:00 -
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the fuel blocks will render goons efforts pretty useless for a while i'd imagine. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
150
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:17:00 -
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fuer0n wrote:the fuel blocks will render goons efforts pretty useless for a while i'd imagine.
Gallente towers use Gallente fuel blocks. Gallente fuel blocks are built with Oxytopes. How does this mess with the Great Ice Famine of 2011? |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:27:00 -
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forgive me if i'm wrong but isnt trying to push the price up of ice materials what goons are doing? then ccp come along and magic some out of thin air and inject it into the market?
i dont take much notice of what goons do tbh, i just read the forums from time to time. might have got the wrong end of the stick. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
150
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:30:00 -
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fuer0n wrote:forgive me if i'm wrong but isnt trying to push the price up of ice materials what goons are doing? then ccp come along and magic some out of thin air and inject it into the market?
i dont take much notice of what goons do tbh, i just read the forums from time to time. might have got the wrong end of the stick.
You mean the magic 25 hours of POS fuel per account? I doubt that'll do much. |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:34:00 -
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either way someone got biatch slapped and dipends how many people take up the offer doesnt it. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
206
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:42:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:fuer0n wrote:the fuel blocks will render goons efforts pretty useless for a while i'd imagine. Gallente towers use Gallente fuel blocks. Gallente fuel blocks are built with Oxytopes. How does this mess with the Great Ice Famine of 2011? ccp seeds gallente fuel blocks as christmas present -> temporary reduction in demand for oxytopes -> happy Rorqual pilots |
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