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Brody Chanlin
Sativa Industries Silent Requiem
2
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Posted - 2011.12.12 18:03:00 -
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Anyone willing to share their thoughts on what the Christmas gifts could do to the faction ammo market?
As soon as I looked through them my initial thoughts were unsurprisingly "what is worth more to sell?".
Anyone had similar thoughts and want to share?
My first guess is that the Aurum might be the most profitable avenue but I am far from an expert! |

Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
92
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Posted - 2011.12.12 18:27:00 -
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Am I missing something? Either we have already gotten the Christmas gift in the form of the implant, or it will be some other minor novelty as it always is. How does this have anything to do with faction ammo or aurum? Though if there is some connection with aurum and ammo, then I'm glad I bought this new centum a-type pitchfork and quafe branded tar and feathers.
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Goodgodyourface
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2011.12.12 18:29:00 -
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Covert Kitty wrote:Am I missing something? Either we have already gotten the Christmas gift in the form of the implant, or it will be some other minor novelty as it always is. How does this have anything to do with faction ammo or aurum? Though if there is some connection with aurum and ammo, then I'm glad I bought this new centum a-type pitchfork and quafe branded tar and feathers.
Yeah, you are missing something. Log onto your Account Management page on eveonline.com.
@OP I don't see the ammo changing the market up too dramatically, buy orders will drop temporarily as people buy it up... but then bear in mind that some people will also actually use it up.
What interests me most is the Fuel Block section of the gifts... |

Brody Chanlin
Sativa Industries Silent Requiem
2
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Posted - 2011.12.12 18:40:00 -
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Goodgodyourface wrote:Covert Kitty wrote:Am I missing something? Either we have already gotten the Christmas gift in the form of the implant, or it will be some other minor novelty as it always is. How does this have anything to do with faction ammo or aurum? Though if there is some connection with aurum and ammo, then I'm glad I bought this new centum a-type pitchfork and quafe branded tar and feathers.
Yeah, you are missing something. Log onto your Account Management page on eveonline.com. @OP I don't see the ammo changing the market up too dramatically, buy orders will drop temporarily as people buy it up... but then bear in mind that some people will also actually use it up. What interests me most is the Fuel Block section of the gifts...
I was going to include a link to the post about the gifts but figured anyone who reads the forums would also read dev blogs lol.
Fuel blocks are something I am going to look at as soon as I can login. |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
530
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:15:00 -
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While the 2000 AUR reward might seem enticing at first sight (thanks to it looking like it MIGHT be worth anything up to 55.55% of one PLEX, or at the current prices, around 245 mil ISK), you should probably remember that we all got a grand total of 5500 AUR so far, and that the value of AUR if you actually attempt to redeem it into ISK via a NEX offer is far, far below the "purchase value" of AUR, at least for the time being. There's also nothing interesting new to purchase for 7500 AUR. I would sriously doubt you could extract more than 60 mil ISK out of that offer if it was available now, before the inevitable crash, in reality you'll probably be lucky to get even as much as 20 mil ISK out of it in the end. I'd probably stay away from the AUR offer, all things considered.
On the other hand, there's the fuel blocks-related offers, which at this time seem among the more sensible ones. First, the 1k each fuelblock offer. The current costs are around 14-26k per block (depending on race), and they offer 1k of each type of block. That's somewhere around 70 mil ISK right now, give or take, and the fuel block market is far more robust that any of the other markets, plus the entire tower network will be switched to fuel blocks in less than a month after, so if you can manage to not panic-sell like a crazy person, you could very well end up with an extra 50 mil ISK or so in not that long of a time. The fuel blueprint offer is not quite as glamorous (barely valued at a bit over 40 mil ISK already) and much more likely to have a downward spike.
The implant selections are also looking as if they'd be worth somewhere around similar total values. The older genolution goes for about 50m on contracts now and may go for more later on (still the second one will most likely go for more). The set of basic implants are worth around 45 mil and will probably sell for a bit less later on, but not by that much. The Quafe Zero offer doesn't look like it might be worth that much, under 20 mil ISK total right now, unlikely to go for much more in the future. The attribute remap offer is hard to quantify in ISK, and it's not sellable.
The ship offers are pretty pathetic ISK-wise, worth 5, 5 and barely 16 mil (likely to crash towards 5 too after Christmas).
The faction ammo thing... hmmm. Plenty of suboffers to go around, and not knowing what the rest might choose (and with so many possible options), it just as may be that people will not overflow any indivdual market all that much. The offers are : 10k of each of the 8 small ammos (24 if crystals) PLUS three destroyers (not worth that much but still) -or- 5k of each of the 8 medium ammos/missiles or 10 of each of the 8 crystals -or- 2.5k of each of the 8 large ammos/missiles or 5 of each of the 8 crystals. That's 80k small ammo or 192 small crystals or 40k med ammo or 40k med missiles or 80 med crystals or 20k large ammo or 20k large missiles or 40 large crystals. That also looks as somewhere in the vicinity of 30-60 mil ISK (give or take) depending on individual choices, with a slightly higher chance of falling down in value, especially because out of the 8 ammo types, at least half are barely ever used (and hence selling in tiny quantities), with only a couple really enough in demand to still be worth something. That offer will probably collapse to well under 20 mil (if even that much) if more than a symbolic amount of people pick it.
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Overall, I think the fuel blocks offer is one of the most likely to remain somewhat stable in price (or at least recover the fastest). Either way, it's not that much ISK.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

cigarellos
Strategic Warfare and Exploration Team
3
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:18:00 -
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What would be the reason to select ammo, blueprints or ships over a neural remap when the others you can just buy with ISK?
-cig |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
530
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:18:00 -
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I wonder if the Neural Remap is a bonus free remap on top of what you have. Since I already have 3 of those, would I get to see 4 instead ? I wouldn't want to have that "gift" reset the count to 2 or worse, 1. ROFL. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

Brody Chanlin
Sativa Industries Silent Requiem
2
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:24:00 -
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Thanks for the post Akita! Interesting analysis and a good read. |

Goodgodyourface
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:26:00 -
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Akita T wrote:I wonder if the Neural Remap is a bonus free remap on top of what you have. Since I already have 3 of those, would I get to see 4 instead ? I wouldn't want to have that "gift" reset the count to 2 or worse, 1. ROFL.
This is actually the thing I most want for my main, because I'm not too worried about a bit of ISK. A Neural Remap, though, is something I want (it's theoretically priceless, the one thing available that can't be bought or contracted). But if my old remap timer (which actually expires a few days after the gift comes out, go figure) resets, then this is a silly choice. |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
530
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:36:00 -
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Just asked that exact thing in the devblog comment thread : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=507815#post507815 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries
24
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Posted - 2011.12.12 21:31:00 -
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Any older player SHOULD get the remap. Time is money, and there are some things money can't buy (Remaps.)
The glamorous other options are probably all for pilots who want something nice, and for the speculators it's about where the most profit will be.
In my mind (no pun intended) a remap is the ABSOLUTE BEST gift you can get. I can make 50 mil in seconds. I can't get a remap for another year.
fake edit: Anyone notice how much like an item mall that offers page looks and functions like? |

Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
45
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Posted - 2011.12.12 21:40:00 -
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Older players aren't likely to be so worried about remaps as they will be maxing out areas rather than starting new areas. This char has 2 remaps available atm and my main still has 3. There's nothing i'm in *that* much of a hurry to get.
Siigari Kitawa wrote:uch like an item mall that offers page looks and functions like?
I tweeted about that. Looks like a dry-run for the DUST packages. With it due for release in 7 months or so I guess they needed to test the functionality. Item shops are a little bit more important to release bugfree than games. |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
532
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Posted - 2011.12.13 00:36:00 -
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Now, a TRADEABLE free remap, now that would be something else... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

Joe For Sale
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 00:40:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Now, a TRADEABLE free remap, now that would be something else...
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Aoki Ayumi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 00:59:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote: In my mind (no pun intended) a remap is the ABSOLUTE BEST gift you can get. I can make 50 mil in seconds. I can't get a remap for another year.
You do know you get one remap each 12 months, do you?
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
452
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Posted - 2011.12.13 01:21:00 -
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The range on the gifts seems to be 30-60M ISK at the moment.
The CA-1 implant might be the exception to that as it's still running above 60M ISK on contracts.
For the fuel blocks, I think you should plan on them being worth 14k ISK/u long-term, the Gallente blocks are a bit higher at the moment (roughly 25k) if you build from materials. So that would make the fuel block gift worth around 67M ISK. |

Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
5
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Posted - 2011.12.13 01:26:00 -
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Personally I put it all in aurum... I'm not in desperate need of a remap for any of my characters and the rest is a pitiful amount of isk. I expect CCP to continue pushing aurum as a currency in the future, so although short term it may be worthless, I should be able to earn a premium on new clothes in the future. Even better when aurum becomes transferrable, I could pool all my accounts' aurum for something like a monocle...
Or I could just buy myself a shiny field coat. Ah, decisions. |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
533
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:45:00 -
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Aoki Ayumi wrote:Quote:I can make 50 mil in seconds. I can't get a remap for another year. You do know you get one remap each 12 months, do you? That was kind of his/her point. Last time I checked, one year is 12 months. P.S. Give or take, you know. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:58:00 -
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It won't do **** because you'd have to be ******** not to take the remap. |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
533
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Posted - 2011.12.13 03:46:00 -
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corestwo wrote:It won't do **** because you'd have to be ******** not to take the remap. Do I smell the tinge of concern regarding the overinflated oxytope prices ?  http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
20
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Posted - 2011.12.13 04:29:00 -
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Have to say I'm leaning towards the fuel blocks myself. Remaps are only relevant when you're using (or selling) them.
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NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.12.13 05:54:00 -
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Remaps are the gift. Bank on that.
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David Forge
Forge Enterprises
5
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Posted - 2011.12.13 07:55:00 -
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If you're in it for ISK then fuel blocks are likely the way to go. Ultimate value to your character will be best served by a remap. Personally, I chose fuel blocks because ISKies are the thing. Trade skills are so few and so limited that the remap is practically without value if you're only concerned with trade. |

Callduron
22
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Posted - 2011.12.13 08:08:00 -
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cigarellos wrote:What would be the reason to select ammo, blueprints or ships over a neural remap when the others you can just buy with ISK?
-cig
For anyone poor or just started 60 m isk is worth more than a few more skill points. |

Avensys
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 08:49:00 -
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cigarellos wrote:What would be the reason to select ammo, blueprints or ships over a neural remap when the others you can just buy with ISK? Unless CCP learns from past protests remaps will be pretty useless unless your character already has a remap available.
During the learning skill removal the "extra" remap just brought forward your next scheduled remap if you had no remap available and started a new 12 months counter after that was used.
If you had a remap available the new remap would stack upon it. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
239
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Posted - 2011.12.13 09:00:00 -
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Akita T nice |

Callduron
22
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Posted - 2011.12.13 09:31:00 -
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I picked remap on one of my accounts. Just so you all know:
Happy Holidays! Your gift will be available on December 22, 2011.
Otherwise I think Aurum is the best pick for isk value. |

Avensys
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 09:42:00 -
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Callduron wrote:I picked remap on one of my accounts. Just so you all know:
Happy Holidays! Your gift will be available on December 22, 2011.
Otherwise I think Aurum is the best pick for isk value.
Quote:That gift will then be made available in the redemption system on Dec 22nd. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3269 |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:09:00 -
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Akita T wrote:corestwo wrote:It won't do **** because you'd have to be ******** not to take the remap. Do I smell the tinge of concern regarding the overinflated oxytope prices ? 
Oxytope interdiction and continued rise in price (and especially related gnashing of pubbie teeth) is a cheap thrill. I don't get concerned over cheap thrills going away...do you?
Not that a pittance in fuel blocks will have much of an effect anyway. |

OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
20
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:51:00 -
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I don't see a remap option on that page . . .  |

Bath Sheeba
Another Success Story
10
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:28:00 -
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Confirmed. Remap option is no longer available.
Hmmmm......Hope they put it back up.
Weird.
I wonder if only a certain % of the eve community can pick each gift? So the longer you agonize the less choices you may have......that would explain the lack of a remap available as a choice today. |

OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
20
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:08:00 -
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I think it is more a matter of everyone's questions as to how it is implemented. Hopefully it will be back up once they get it ironed out.
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Claire Voyant
23
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:48:00 -
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Avensys wrote:cigarellos wrote:What would be the reason to select ammo, blueprints or ships over a neural remap when the others you can just buy with ISK? Unless CCP learns from past protests remaps will be pretty useless unless your character already has a remap available. During the learning skill removal the "extra" remap just brought forward your next scheduled remap if you had no remap available and started a new 12 months counter after that was used. If you had a remap available the new remap would stack upon it. I agree with this. A remap is more useful if you can plan on it or apply it without effecting the availability your next remap.
For example I am current on a IM remap. I plan to switch to a PW remap sometime in July or later when my next remap is available. I could use a short charisma remap (couldn't we all?) but any remap I chose now I would be stuck with for a year.
Maybe the lesson we should learn is to hold off until after every christmas before doing any remaps thus letting us stack the remap when and if it comes (it's been two years in a row that we've got one.)
Anyway, I will still probably choose the remap on all my accounts even though I might not use it simply because it is the one thing I can't buy. Also, who knows if they won't do something wacky like give us 2 or 3 or give us a 24-hour window for a free remap like last time. You really can't go wrong betting on a CCP screw-up. |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
544
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:21:00 -
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Remaps are temporarily suspended (with possibility of being brought back or completely eliminated) pending changes to the way they're supposed to work. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46033 ^ For more details. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:05:00 -
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Now that is a reason to not take the remap. Hadn't actually realized they worked that way.
Took them on all my accounts anyway. /shrug |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
140
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:39:00 -
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Claire Voyant wrote:Avensys wrote:cigarellos wrote:What would be the reason to select ammo, blueprints or ships over a neural remap when the others you can just buy with ISK? Unless CCP learns from past protests remaps will be pretty useless unless your character already has a remap available. During the learning skill removal the "extra" remap just brought forward your next scheduled remap if you had no remap available and started a new 12 months counter after that was used. If you had a remap available the new remap would stack upon it. I agree with this. A remap is more useful if you can plan on it or apply it without effecting the availability your next remap. For example I am current on a IM remap. I plan to switch to a PW remap sometime in July or later when my next remap is available. I could use a short charisma remap (couldn't we all?) but any remap I chose now I would be stuck with for a year. Maybe the lesson we should learn is to hold off until after every christmas before doing any remaps thus letting us stack the remap when and if it comes (it's been two years in a row that we've got one.) Anyway, I will still probably choose the remap on all my accounts even though I might not use it simply because it is the one thing I can't buy. Also, who knows if they won't do something wacky like give us 2 or 3 or give us a 24-hour window for a free remap like last time. You really can't go wrong betting on a CCP screw-up.
This. I'm in a Per Will map. I have my skill queue overfull to the my new remap point in April. A remap now gives me roughly 0 extra utility. An alt I'm training is mapped exactly to the rest of the skills she'll have (with 17 hours off-map), I suppose a map there would go to the alt on that account I'd train after the one I train after the current one (yeah... that's a complicated account). Another account has 1 or 2 maps, I'm fine with adding one to that. |

Atreyu Bayne
Darkdust Industries Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:02:00 -
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Fuel Blocks: POS owners will choose this and sell the 3 they don't need. Lots of market warriors will pick this to sell. I don't see a goldmine here, will probably become LESS profitable the longer you wait to sell it once everyone and their dog starts churning out blocks. 40-65m
Fuel BPO's- Already Researched originals for sale via contract at 3-5m markups, no money to be made here unless you research + churn these out of the factory with your dog.
Outliers (Special ships): This will take years before you see a good isk value from your x-mas gift. Ignore.
Ammo/Missiles: Mission runners (A few faster missions or more isk without spending LP) and PVP'ers (More damage for free) will take this, ammo will get used up fast and the prices you see now are a good indicator of what they will STILL be at post x-mas, laser crystals will probably take a slight dip for a very short while however. Nothing exciting here.
+3 Implants - a safe 50m, pick this if you hate speculation. Also goes great with your shiny new 60 day trial alt.
CA-1 - A fitting Implant that I really don't see passing beyond 150m isk any time soon. Its visibility is limited to contracts however, so could be very flexible. Given some time this is probably one of the better gifts to pick for isk.
Aurum - Makes monocle more affordable. Smarter move would be to hold onto this if you don't care about the petty 40-100m you could potentially make on the other gifts. The Nex store will eventually (hopefully sooner than later) be expanded, and those new item's will certainly be worth some dough at first.
So in closing: -Wait to see if remap comes back and if change is decent. -Aurum is probably best pick overall, but will probably be a while before you get to use it on nice new things. -CA-1 is second best but also will take time before coming to fruition. -+3 implant set and fuel blocks are 3rd best, and the sales will be immediate/same week as x-mas. -Everything else is for personal use and fun.
Anyone Disagree? |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
144
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:09:00 -
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Atreyu Bayne wrote:Fuel Blocks: POS owners will choose this and sell the 3 they don't need. Lots of market warriors will pick this to sell. I don't see a goldmine here, will probably become LESS profitable the longer you wait to sell it once everyone and their dog starts churning out blocks. 40-65m
+3 Implants - a safe 50m, pick this if you hate speculation. Also goes great with your shiny new 60 day trial alt.
CA-1 - A fitting Implant that I really don't see passing beyond 150m isk any time soon. Its visibility is limited to contracts however, so could be very flexible. Given some time this is probably one of the better gifts to pick for isk.
Aurum - Makes monocle more affordable. Smarter move would be to hold onto this if you don't care about the petty 40-100m you could potentially make on the other gifts. The Nex store will eventually (hopefully sooner than later) be expanded, and those new item's will certainly be worth some dough at first.
So in closing: -Wait to see if remap comes back and if change is decent. -Aurum is probably best pick overall, but will probably be a while before you get to use it on nice new things. -CA-1 is second best but also will take time before coming to fruition. -+3 implant set and fuel blocks are 3rd best, and the sales will be immediate/same week as x-mas. -Everything else is for personal use and fun.
Anyone Disagree?
The fuel is what, 25hrs worth per type? I think most POS owners wouldn't notice the difference in their fuel runs.
I might aurum and drop a plex for a monocle if that works, if not, hold it for longer. Depends on how they deal with remaps though. |

Destamon
Azure Freelancers
6
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:30:00 -
[39] - Quote
Aurum is best if you want to use it for yourself to get the monolcle. Resale value of NEX items is typically much lower than conversion rate of ISK to AUR. |

Miss Margin
Miss Margin Corp
4
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:25:00 -
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I'm curious about how even the distribution of the CA-1 vs the CA-2s are which could affect the longer term price of both. I imagine there are less CA-1due to more people signing up/reactivating after they were given out. But with this option it may be the opposite or reach equilibrium as people try to get the one they missed.
It'd be interesting to see how the market is affected if there were say 20% more of one than the y other. This character is for Sale, pure trade skills.-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=517979#post517979
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Sleekman
The Inf1dels
0
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:36:00 -
[41] - Quote
Remap is back, best option. |

Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:37:00 -
[42] - Quote
Unless the remap gets reenabled I'm probably going for the specialty implant. I missed it the first time around and want to sect for collectors value.
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Miss Margin
Miss Margin Corp
4
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:47:00 -
[43] - Quote
Sleekman wrote:Remap is back, best option.
And it's a +1 remap. It doesn't affect your 365 day timer.
This character is for Sale, pure trade skills.-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=517979#post517979
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
557
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Posted - 2011.12.14 21:55:00 -
[44] - Quote
If I read it correctly, it's even better. It's bonus remap you can keep until the end of times to use in some much later emergency while still remapping as many times as you want as long as you let more than a year pass between remaps. Basically, the awesomest possible version.
Waiting for 100% confirmation. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

Omniwing
Omnicorps
22
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Posted - 2011.12.14 22:40:00 -
[45] - Quote
Can we confirm this, and if so, its probably the best choice, right? |

OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
23
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:22:00 -
[46] - Quote
The Dev Blog and thread confirm it, go for the remap baby |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
560
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:02:00 -
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Quote:Bonus remaps never expire. After the code update, there will be two ways to remap:
* You will be able to remap normally. This option is only available for use when a year has elapsed from your last "normal remap".
* You will be able to instantly remap by using a "bonus remap" - these are the same as the remaps that newbies receive when they create their characters. When switching to the new system, you will keep any bonus remaps you had previously, and these will never expire.
When remapping, the system will first see if you can remap normally (on the annual timer). If you can, it will set your remapping timer and permit you to remap. That timer will then begin ticking down, and, one year later, you will be able to remap normally again.
If your timer is ticking, then the system requires you to use a bonus remap in order to remap your attributes. If you do not have any, you have to wait.
If you elect to use a bonus remap, your timer will not be affected.
Let's say that you have no bonus remaps at all - you've used up your newbie bonus remaps and haven't received any since. If you remapped normally on the 1st of December, 2011, you will then have to wait until the 1st of December, 2012 in order to remap again normally.
If you take the neural remapping Christmas gift, then you can use that bonus remap to remap at any time between when you receive the gift and the 1st of December, 2012. If you do so, then you will still be able to remap your attributes normally on the 1st of December, 2012. If you decide to wait until past the 1st of December, 2012 - let's say to the 2nd of December, 2012, then you will remap normally and not use your bonus remap.
Relevant things : * Bonus remaps are COMPLETELY separate from normal remaps - you can remap normally without using a bonus remap * Bonus remaps never expire - keep them until you really need them (or as a badge of sorts if you like)
Clearly, the best choice for all people that are NOT in dire need of some ISK (since everything else is worth well under 100 mil ISK no matter what else you pick). http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
60
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:35:00 -
[48] - Quote
The remap option (which I did choose), does it give each char on the account an additional remap, or just the char with the highest SP? |

Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
23
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:54:00 -
[49] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The remap option (which I did choose), does it give each char on the account an additional remap, or just the char with the highest SP? Previous bonus remaps have been for the highest SP character on the account rather than for each character. I assume it will be the same this time. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
60
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Posted - 2011.12.15 15:18:00 -
[50] - Quote
Jackie Fisher wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The remap option (which I did choose), does it give each char on the account an additional remap, or just the char with the highest SP? Previous bonus remaps have been for the highest SP character on the account rather than for each character. I assume it will be the same this time.
Thanks for the response. That will help with my skill-planning. |

Chu Ran
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:47:00 -
[51] - Quote
Regarding bonus remaps, I don't see a separate option ingame to use the "normal" remap versus a "bonus" remap. Are the codes updated yet to separate the two completely ingame? |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
562
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:12:00 -
[52] - Quote
Chu Ran wrote:Regarding bonus remaps, I don't see a separate option ingame to use the "normal" remap versus a "bonus" remap. Are the codes updated yet to separate the two completely ingame? No, not yet, but they will be by the time they distribute it. At least that's the plan. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

Ghoest
28
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:00:00 -
[53] - Quote
Hmm. Ive never used a remap. My main has 3 of them. Are you saying if i was to use one I would have to wait a year to use another? Or are those 3 already whats considered "bonus" remaps? Wherever You Went - Here You Are |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
150
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:09:00 -
[54] - Quote
Ghoest wrote:Hmm. Ive never used a remap. My main has 3 of them. Are you saying if i was to use one I would have to wait a year to use another? Or are those 3 already whats considered "bonus" remaps?
They'll either handle it by saying one of those 3 is a regular annual one and you now have 1 normal 2 bonus, or they'll just tag all 3 as bonus like they're doing with new toons 2 starting maps. |

fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:14:00 -
[55] - Quote
the fuel blocks will render goons efforts pretty useless for a while i'd imagine. |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
150
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:17:00 -
[56] - Quote
fuer0n wrote:the fuel blocks will render goons efforts pretty useless for a while i'd imagine.
Gallente towers use Gallente fuel blocks. Gallente fuel blocks are built with Oxytopes. How does this mess with the Great Ice Famine of 2011? |

fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:27:00 -
[57] - Quote
forgive me if i'm wrong but isnt trying to push the price up of ice materials what goons are doing? then ccp come along and magic some out of thin air and inject it into the market?
i dont take much notice of what goons do tbh, i just read the forums from time to time. might have got the wrong end of the stick. |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
150
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 19:30:00 -
[58] - Quote
fuer0n wrote:forgive me if i'm wrong but isnt trying to push the price up of ice materials what goons are doing? then ccp come along and magic some out of thin air and inject it into the market?
i dont take much notice of what goons do tbh, i just read the forums from time to time. might have got the wrong end of the stick.
You mean the magic 25 hours of POS fuel per account? I doubt that'll do much. |

fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:34:00 -
[59] - Quote
either way someone got biatch slapped and dipends how many people take up the offer doesnt it. |

Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
206
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:42:00 -
[60] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:fuer0n wrote:the fuel blocks will render goons efforts pretty useless for a while i'd imagine. Gallente towers use Gallente fuel blocks. Gallente fuel blocks are built with Oxytopes. How does this mess with the Great Ice Famine of 2011? ccp seeds gallente fuel blocks as christmas present -> temporary reduction in demand for oxytopes -> happy Rorqual pilots |

Lori Dyth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:57:00 -
[61] - Quote
Brody Chanlin wrote:Anyone willing to share their thoughts on what the Christmas gifts could do to the faction ammo market?
Absolutely nothing.
Reason being, 99% of smart people playing EVE will opt for the one thing isk cant buy - The Re-map. |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
150
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 20:04:00 -
[62] - Quote
Lori Dyth wrote:Brody Chanlin wrote:Anyone willing to share their thoughts on what the Christmas gifts could do to the faction ammo market?
Absolutely nothing. Reason being, 99% of smart people playing EVE will opt for the one thing isk cant buy - The Re-map.
So..... 5, 10 people, max? |

Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
21
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Posted - 2011.12.17 20:31:00 -
[63] - Quote
I think we can expect remaps from some dumb people too. The button for remaps is on the webpage and someone will click it by accident, you know it being so close to the destroyers after all. The remap will be used to boost cha because the player wants to look nice. |

Lori Dyth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 20:37:00 -
[64] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Lori Dyth wrote:Brody Chanlin wrote:Anyone willing to share their thoughts on what the Christmas gifts could do to the faction ammo market?
Absolutely nothing. Reason being, 99% of smart people playing EVE will opt for the one thing isk cant buy - The Re-map. So..... 5, 10 people, max?
Your an optimist arnt you? 
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
151
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Posted - 2011.12.17 23:07:00 -
[65] - Quote
Tasko Pal wrote:I think we can expect remaps from some dumb people too. The button for remaps is on the webpage and someone will click it by accident, you know it being so close to the destroyers after all. The remap will be used to boost cha because the player wants to look nice.
Wait, what's wrong with my Cha/Mem map? I thought it meant I'm pretty and thoughtful. |
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