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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:45:00 -
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Ships are easy to find because they constantly emmit pulses of their sensor's type.
an offline ship is just like another wreck, if your probes/sensors can find wreck, they will find the ship.
I thought the ship's sensors were the thing betraying them for the probe localisation abilities. But as TomB stated, it looks at your ship's signature radius. So, what makes the ship's signature radius?
Let's take the easiest example :
how a 10 m3 drone can have a 50m signature radius? ( an incursus is 29500m3 with 44m signature)
What makes the signature?
Power generator? engines? shields? capacitor battery? active sensors?
The things listed here are those that are both in an empty ship and in a drone.
As the shield extenders increase signature and the drones have a big shield compared to their size, maybe shield makes the biggest part of signature.
So, how smaller is the signature of a ship with no shield? (no shield not a recharging shield making big shield emissions around the ship's hull)
How smaller if you turn off engines, sensors, power generator?
Still, you need to survive in space, you don't want to freeze, you want to breath (whatever is the thing you breath), you want every survival systems online. Those systems would slowly eat what remains of your capacitor until it's too low and an emergency power generator onlining is done (maybe just the generator of the pod to keep you alive).
This gives us a limited downtime, reduced signature for probe detection, and whatever the ship onlining time may be (but I think the ship onlining time should be linked to the capacitor recharge time, it's online when the capacitor reaches some point, and you cannot count on capacitor modules like cap injectors or cap rechargers), it is a survival advantage at the cost of other things that could cost you survival.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.06 21:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Hypo Psycho
/signed
i like the idea, the same effect can be created now via a cloak, but why waste a hislot?
You've answered yourself.
This is basically asking for a cloak on the cheap - no highslot, no targeting penalty.
If there was a better global ECM system then perhaps, but as it stands it's a cheap (in the metagaming sense) cloak.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.02.06 22:46:00 -
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Sooo, just attach a T1 cloak to every ship in the game.
/not signed.
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Neuromandis
EPSILON TEAM
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.06 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Neuromandis on 06/02/2007 23:32:14
Edited by: Neuromandis on 06/02/2007 23:30:42
An offline ship is NOT AT ALL like "another wreck". It has, as pointed before, the normal "anatomy" of another ship its class.
That's why you can find unpiloted ships in space.
Also, powering down your ship would automatically mean offlining everything.
Also, cloaks cost a measly 3-5 million, so don't be stingy.
Also, there is already too much difficulty finding people that CLOAK, afk, and go for a cup of coffee and a little clubbing in hostile space. No reason to have everyone else doing it too.
/Strong UN-sign
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Hypatia Iola
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:15:00 -
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i do like this idea, and it's not the same as cloaking, as you seriosly can't do a damned thing while you're powered down.
beyond that being able to uncloak and fire is a lot quicker(seconds vs. minutes) than powering up.
there are good arguments against it, i'll admit, but there are ways around them and i think this is a good enough idea to work around them.
anyway just trying to keep this idea alive.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:41:00 -
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Didn't read entire thread, just replying to OP. Don't know if someone said the exact same thing or not.
I like the idea of being able to turn your ship off so you can hide from enemies. However, it shouldn't make you invulnerable to detection. Perhaps it makes you show up on the scanner as a wreck instead?
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hypatia Iola
i do like this idea, and it's not the same as cloaking, as you seriosly can't do a damned thing while you're powered down.
What is the difference really? It's plain and simple not needed. All you're doing is allowing a shuttle to fit a cloak. Anyone with a Battleship that wants to be able to cloak should have to fit a cloak and compromise their scan resolution.
Couple scenarios for you all:
1) You safe spot and cloak - No one can find you
2) You safe spot and power down - No one can find you
The differences?
All ships can power down.
The results?
Anyone running from an enemy that forgot, or foolishly did not fit a cloak will now "Power Down" and be invulnerable.
...Sounds to me that this is a bit like a CTRL-Q within game mechanics. 
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:32:00 -
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Oh, and not to mention this would allow people to send an alt or even a main to your home system, power down their ship and scout you out with complete impunity.
NO.
/NOT SIGNED
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
Couple scenarios for you all:
1) You safe spot and cloak - No one can find you
2) You safe spot and power down - No one can find you
Why even need to safe spot for 1) ? You can't turn of your ship and watch people searching for you! Cloaking in front of people saves you, shuting down in front of people kills you (as you'll be dead when you complete power up even if it was a rookie ship shooting at you).
for 2) : You can still be found, it makes you harder (longer because you may have to use a more precise probe) to pinpoint. And when they find you, they kill you before you can try to escape.
Yeah, truly invulnerable...
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Ma'kal
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.02.07 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ma''kal on 07/02/2007 18:22:15
This ship has some interesting posiblities in adding some more cloak and dagger options to the game. It has the posiblity to be as unblalanced as having a cloaking ship in your system all day.
If it could be used as a probe dodge that could be fun. I just think it should take a while for the systems to come online again. When they are onlineing you get a huge sig spike making you easy to find.
As far as the cloaking goes I think you should be able to find a cloaking ship easer than one that is powered down.
The prob is people who much like cloakers now just sit in a belt for hours maybe even days before they do anything. I don't think somone should beable to sit that long in someones space with out haveing any ablility to find them.
If some way could be found to stop that kind of abuse this has the posiblity to being a fun way to hide from your enemy.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.02.07 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
Couple scenarios for you all:
1) You safe spot and cloak - No one can find you
2) You safe spot and power down - No one can find you
Why even need to safe spot for 1) ? You can't turn of your ship and watch people searching for you! Cloaking in front of people saves you, shuting down in front of people kills you (as you'll be dead when you complete power up even if it was a rookie ship shooting at you).
First of all, you're wrong. Cloaking infront of people does not save you. Provided the attackers have half a brain and saw where you were. (Unless you are in a cov-ops ship w/ cov-ops cloak, which is an entirely different thing, as you wouldn't be seen in the first place)
As for the need for a safespot, people DO check planets and the last place you warped at each warp-in point accordingly. That's why you use a SS, because you'll never be found. It's really not that hard, when you're warping to the planet/belt/whatever you make a BM and then warp back to it and cloak. You'd do the same thing with this "Power Down" thing. I don't see the difference.
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for 2) : You can still be found, it makes you harder (longer because you may have to use a more precise probe) to pinpoint. And when they find you, they kill you before you can try to escape.
Yeah, truly invulnerable...
First of all, the OP stated that your ship would not be findable. Second of all, if you are findable when "Powering Down" all I see this as is an excuse to force people to search longer for people in shuttles.
Glorified CTRL+Q
/again not signed
Nope, didn't even think about grabbing a pen.
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Lamias
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Posted - 2007.02.09 07:23:00 -
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Han Solo did it in Star Wars....So did Obi....it seems realistic and maybe they could have a special probe with a small search radius that would find players even when shut off. So you have a shot at finding them but limit the distance so it is exciting. I like it 
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