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ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:17:00 - [1] Edited by: ghosttr on 08/01/2007 14:16:55 I think that something should be done to make the large amounts of low end ores in 0.0 useful. As it stands now chribbas moon-sized veld riods are sitting in asteriod belts unexploited by even the poorest of hulk pilots. I was thinking that maybe there should be a mining laser that gets low end ores faster but cant handle the big ores. That mines almost 2x the veld and and low end ores, and only works on the veld and scordite. SUPPORT T2 FIX!
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:17:00 - [2] Edited by: Maltitol on 08/01/2007 15:14:41 Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 08/01/2007 14:16:55 I think that something should be done to make the large amounts of low end ores in 0.0 useful. ? They are usefull, its called production! Originally by: ghosttr As it stands now chribbas moon-sized veld riods are sitting in asteriod belts unexploited by even the poorest of hulk pilots. I was thinking that maybe there should be a mining laser that gets low end ores faster but cant handle the big ores. That mines almost 2x the veld and and low end ores, and only works on the veld and scordite. There is, its called Strip Mining... and specialized mercoxit mining crystals (i believe). im hoping i got your question right. ---------------------------------------- Originally by: Devil Hanzo There is no problem with Jita, there is a problem with everybody going to Jita at the same time...
ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:28:00 - [3] Originally by: Maltitol Edited by: Maltitol on 08/01/2007 15:14:41 Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 08/01/2007 14:16:55 I think that something should be done to make the large amounts of low end ores in 0.0 useful. ? They are usefull, its called production! Originally by: ghosttr As it stands now chribbas moon-sized veld riods are sitting in asteriod belts unexploited by even the poorest of hulk pilots. I was thinking that maybe there should be a mining laser that gets low end ores faster but cant handle the big ores. That mines almost 2x the veld and and low end ores, and only works on the veld and scordite. There is, its called Strip Mining... and specialized mercoxit mining crystals (i believe). im hoping i got your question right. With strip miners and T2 crystals you still get the same m3 of stuff. (mercoxit is deep core, and is a different beast btw). As it stands now you can mine high end ores sell them, and buy twice as much low end ore than if you had mined the low end ore. SUPPORT T2 FIX!
Admai Sket	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:28:00 - [4] Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 08/01/2007 14:16:55 I think that something should be done to make the large amounts of low end ores in 0.0 useful. As it stands now chribbas moon-sized veld riods are sitting in asteriod belts unexploited by even the poorest of hulk pilots. I was thinking that maybe there should be a mining laser that gets low end ores faster but cant handle the big ores. That mines almost 2x the veld and and low end ores, and only works on the veld and scordite. But then everyone in high sec would use them to get more and more crappy ores and become richer carebears Sig removed, due to inappropriate content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your sig!) -wystler - Fantastic! Thanks! :)
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:37:00 - [5] Very useful...some soon will have atmosphere and life. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:42:00 - [6] so you want more m3 per cycle? or more m3 per amount of ore? ---------------------------------------- Originally by: Devil Hanzo There is no problem with Jita, there is a problem with everybody going to Jita at the same time...
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:46:00 - [7] Originally by: ghosttr As it stands now you can mine high end ores sell them, and buy twice as much low end ore than if you had mined the low end ore. If there are any low end ores on the market. Since Revelations came out low ends have become hard to find (in our area anyway). Its a good time to be a miner. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Stakhanov Gallente Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:54:00 - [8] A possible solution is to have 5 grades of ore instead of 3 , +0/5/10/20/40% on mineral yield. Grade 4 ore would not spawn in highsec , and grade 5 ore would only spawn in zerosec. Veldspar asteroids can still be useful as an emergency reserve when the alliance is short on tritanium.
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:56:00 - [9] This would be the perfect use for a capital mining ship, make it capable of mining low end minerals in bulk yet balance it so that the low end roids remain less profitable to mine than the high ends. Producers in 0.0 require tens of millions of trit a day, and while in theory it is more profitable to mine crock or bistot and simply buy the trit, in practice the volume of trit required is usually not available on the local market because its simply not worth the time to mine. Most of the lowsec/0.0 producers I know import their minerals from Empire, usually packaged as tractor beams, plates, or passive targetters and jumped in risk free with a Carrier. If I were to design a capitol mining ship, I would give it a massive cargo hold, jump drive, and some sort of mining siege module. The seige module would act similar to a dreads siege module except instead of a damage bonus it would be a mining yield bonus on LOWENDS only. Hardcore Miners/Producers would then be able to acquire the trit required for sustained production without having to either import or spend 6 hours a day (per producer) mining trit instead of a high end ore. The siege module prevents the ship from logging, warping to POS or instantly jumping out the moment a hostile enters local meaning the ship needs to be used with caution and is not a solo-ISK-mobile.
Malcanis	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Fubear This would be the perfect use for a capital mining ship, make it capable of mining low end minerals in bulk yet balance it so that the low end roids remain less profitable to mine than the high ends. Producers in 0.0 require tens of millions of trit a day, and while in theory it is more profitable to mine crock or bistot and simply buy the trit, in practice the volume of trit required is usually not available on the local market because its simply not worth the time to mine. Most of the lowsec/0.0 producers I know import their minerals from Empire, usually packaged as tractor beams, plates, or passive targetters and jumped in risk free with a Carrier. If I were to design a capitol mining ship, I would give it a massive cargo hold, jump drive, and some sort of mining siege module. The seige module would act similar to a dreads siege module except instead of a damage bonus it would be a mining yield bonus on LOWENDS only. Hardcore Miners/Producers would then be able to acquire the trit required for sustained production without having to either import or spend 6 hours a day (per producer) mining trit instead of a high end ore. The siege module prevents the ship from logging, warping to POS or instantly jumping out the moment a hostile enters local meaning the ship needs to be used with caution and is not a solo-ISK-mobile. And there was a massive disturbance in the force, as if thousands of macrominers all screamed in agony...

ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:37:00 - [11] u could explore 0.0 low sec and find those hidden rare bisot and ark roids that live out there All posts made by myself represent my personal opinion only - they do not represent the rest of the privateer alliacne unless they decide to agree with what im saying
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:39:00 - [12] Agreed, the 0.0 low end ores are completely useless. 0.0 dwellers get more low end minerals from the occasional hauler spawns than from mining and it's more time and cost efficient to haul high end minerals to empire, buy low ends there, turn them into passive targeters or whatever and haul them back to reprocess in 0.0, than to mine low end ores in 0.0 ...
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:46:00 - [13] agreed or the rare higher ore but thats via exploration anyway All posts made by myself represent my personal opinion only - they do not represent the rest of the privateer alliacne unless they decide to agree with what im saying
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:50:00 - [14] i think a modified hulk that is low sec/0.0 only but with 300% scordite and veldspar output is whats needed like others have said there is no point mining veld in 0.0 if i want a battleship im not going to go out and mine the minerals,im just going to mine highends and sell the result and buy the bs the endless fields of veldspar in 0.0 serve no purpose and the low yield from mining them stunts deep 0.0 markets some people might say "oh no cant do that cause it will damage the trit market" etc etc, but in reality i guarentee none of the inhabitants of 0.0 are going to be shiping trit to empire in frieghters, all it would do its make ship production easier now what of the poor noobs in empire who need to make a living from trit ? when i was the newest noob ever i started out mining scordite but that lasted less than a few days, even empire miners cringe when it comes to mining veldspar
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Pan Crastus Agreed, the 0.0 low end ores are completely useless. 0.0 dwellers get more low end minerals from the occasional hauler spawns than from mining and it's more time and cost efficient to haul high end minerals to empire, buy low ends there, turn them into passive targeters or whatever and haul them back to reprocess in 0.0, than to mine low end ores in 0.0 ... That may have been true before Revelations, but isn't ATM. Its funny to see whole corps out mining veld. For the first two seconds then you wish there were more macro miners. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:29:00 - [16] If we need to produce something, like the odd raven or two to sell so we can pay our office fee and maybe buy some hookers and booze, we collect and refine unnamed rat loot. It gives us way more minerals than we would get from our miners (we have like 2 ppl that can stand mining) Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Daos Leghki Paxton Industries	Posted - 2007.01.08 18:14:00 - [17] This may seem silly, but if you're running out of trit in 0.0, maybe you should start paying more for it? Basic market economics and all that...if you make it worthwhile for people to mine trit, they will. Repopulate Low-Sec Paxton Industries is Recruiting
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 18:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Daos Leghki This may seem silly, but if you're running out of trit in 0.0, maybe you should start paying more for it? Basic market economics and all that...if you make it worthwhile for people to mine trit, they will. should do but they are very slow to - u need to put the sell orders just out of their reach All posts made by myself represent my personal opinion only - they do not represent the rest of the privateer alliacne unless they decide to agree with what im saying
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.08 18:48:00 - [19] The problem with mining veldspar in 0.0 isn't how much you can mine, it's a problem to move it. If a frighter can dock and pickkup a pos then that issue would be solved. Or introduction of mini-frighters. I've had over 200m of trit in my pos at a time, I practicly give it away for anyone in the corp that wants to haul it out. Many times we end up jet canning it because we are out of space. POOF theres goes 2.7m trit... -John
ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 18:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Daos Leghki This may seem silly, but if you're running out of trit in 0.0, maybe you should start paying more for it? Basic market economics and all that...if you make it worthwhile for people to mine trit, they will. Will just get the most trit for my isk, wont raise prices any, just means all of that noobie loot wont be on market anymore because it will be bought and reprocessed. I was think of somethings that could mine low end ore faster, and only be able to mine low end ore (aka veldspar and scordite only). Just a strip module that sucks the veld uber fast (giving a t2 variant to chribba of course). Or maybe lasers that give more outpur based on ore type, (aka more m3/sec for low ores than hgih ones) SUPPORT T2 FIX!

CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.08 18:59:00 - [21] its not a question of price tho, its about veldspar roids having no purpose in 0.0 if i can mine crokite or bistot or arkanor all day, do i really care if i buy my trit for 1.5, 2.5 or more? there needs to be some incentive to mine those huge veldspar
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 20:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Daos Leghki This may seem silly, but if you're running out of trit in 0.0, maybe you should start paying more for it? Alliance space is a relatively closed economy. There are no external entrepreneurs able to exploit market conditions. It would be fun for them to try though: Non-blue hauler pulls up to station (we will pretend they make it past the gate camp). "I heard ya'll need some trit." Pew pew boom! "Thanks." Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.08 22:54:00 - [23] Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 08/01/2007 14:16:55 I think that something should be done to make the large amounts of low end ores in 0.0 useful. As it stands now chribbas moon-sized veld riods are sitting in asteriod belts unexploited by even the poorest of hulk pilots. I was thinking that maybe there should be a mining laser that gets low end ores faster but cant handle the big ores. That mines almost 2x the veld and and low end ores, and only works on the veld and scordite. Are you suggesting that massive alliances in 0.0 like BoB, D2 and so on, buy all their low-grade minerals from empire? Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.08 23:38:00 - [24] Heh, Thanks to things like jump portal generator, Tractor beams, passive targeters etc, there will always be mass volume of minerals coming from empire as these modules are amazing when refined. Especially the Jump Portal Generator, which is pretty much a freightor load of minerals. But a lot of people make minerals from refining rat loot. 3 hours of rat loot is usually enough to build a teir 1 bs at least. And you also have the hauler spawns. Dropping tens of milions of trit each. And then....... there is the miner II's --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 23:47:00 - [25] Low end ores are useful, "problem" is that in 0.0 you dont have swarms of bantam's and isk farmers decending on belts like locusts, so leave them as they are. If they are needed for production they will be mined, people just looking to make easy money can mine the high ends. I dont see the problem. Originally by: Deja Thoris The dead horse has now been flogged into puree.
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 23:56:00 - [26] The sheer amounts of trit needed make hauling deep into 0.0 alomost impossible. local hull itty 5 can jsut supply enough trit for 2 batteships. if anythiung CCP need to mke lowend way more avaulable in all 00 space. -----
Elmicker Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 23:58:00 - [27] An even easier solution than new capital mining ship class is just better low-ends in 0.0. 0.0 gets better ores anyway, so why not a +100% yield veldspar roid, means it would actually be viable to 0.0 mine for trit instead of just buying up from the macrominers and compressing the minerals.
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.09 08:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Ozzie Asrail The sheer amounts of trit needed make hauling deep into 0.0 alomost impossible. local hull itty 5 can jsut supply enough trit for 2 batteships. if anythiung CCP need to mke lowend way more avaulable in all 00 space. If you refine a jump portal generator - something that can fit in a cargo expended geddon, for example, you get enough minerals to make half a dozen BS's. Thus empire is a big source of trit for now --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.09 08:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Ozzie Asrail The sheer amounts of trit needed make hauling deep into 0.0 alomost impossible. local hull itty 5 can jsut supply enough trit for 2 batteships. if anythiung CCP need to mke lowend way more avaulable in all 00 space. If you refine a jump portal generator - something that can fit in a cargo expended geddon, for example, you get enough minerals to make half a dozen BS's. Thus empire is a big source of trit for now Not talking about shotrage of trit here, talking about how the hug veld riods in 0.0 are completely useledd, and what should be done to make the more useful. SUPPORT T2 FIX!
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.09 08:22:00 - [30] veld prices need to rise then those veld roids will be mined 4 p u will do it



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