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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.17 03:06:09 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:..... how can you do such a thing when you have 15 points stopping you and 15 webs making you go 0.4 km/s....
If you're held down by 15 points and 15 webs, you have far more serious problems than any balance issues with EWAR.
FYI: Jams can also be used DEFENSIVELY. I regularly fly a Kitsune in a small gang. The other day, our Sleipner pilot got himself tackled on a gate. I warped back to that gate at range, jammed the tackler and we both got out.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.17 23:17:24 -
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Daerrol wrote:
Ok so a Griffon kitted out with Jams (1 of each racial) and 2 Signal Amps II, all level 5
Radar Jam Strength: 18.84 (total)
j00 gieb 18.84 jam strength Griffin?
Your maths a little out mate. I'm not sure you can get that much jam strength in a Falcon with full info links. Maybe, I'll have to check, but it's flat out impossible for a Griffin.
I've got Signal Dispersion V and I cap out at around 10 points cold in a Griffin and 11.2 cold/12.9 points heated in a Kitsune (although my Kitty uses a damage control). Around 15 points of Jam Strength is the cap for a Falcon IIRC (I can't fly one yet).
The tradeoff is a paper thin tank. And I mean PAPER THIN.
I get forced off-field by a flight of light drones (2 volleys will do me). A Confessor can kill me with two shots, an Orthrus with a single volley. My Kitty's 'tank' is RANGE and whatever bookmarks I can make in the heat of combat to give me bounce points and positioning options.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.18 00:21:28 -
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Jill Xelitras wrote:- You can still warp out unless you're scrammed (most ECM ships are flown at long ranges because they are squishy targets.You'll rarely see tackle ECM ships.)
Just FYI: The upcoming Navy Griffin is designed as an ECM Brawler, most likely with tackle. However, they will still be very squishy and one failed jam will see them splatted.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.18 00:59:13 -
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Valacus wrote:One jam cycle can determine the entire course of a fight.
Yup. And missing a jam cycle at a critical time often swings the fight the other way.
If your gang's anti-support elements are on the ball then any ECM boat will have, at best, ONE jam cycle opportunity before being locked up and forced off-grid. If you leave the Kitsune alone, they'll wreck your day. If you keep the pressure on them, they'll spend more time bouncing around than actually fighting. Seriously, do you know how little tank ECM boats have?
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.18 01:13:02 -
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FYI: ECM and Damp boats on opposite sides normally get into EWAR-wars with each other.
Lets say my 6 man gang has me in a Kitsune up against another 6 man gang with a Keres.
The fight can oft'times come down to: can I can jam out the Keres before they damp me out. One damp on a Kitsune is enough to remove me from the fight and force me to bounce.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
337
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Posted - 2015.11.18 15:07:43 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote: "He who fight and run away live to fight another day." This is the adage the egos won't allow.
I prefer this version:
"He who runs away today, lives to run away again tomorrow" - Rincewind The Wizzard, Discworld novels by Terry Pratchett.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.18 23:47:48 -
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Valacus wrote:[quote=Vol Arm'OOO] ECM is jam + laugh. It doesn't require you to position correctly, save maybe being in range so you aren't in fall off, but that's an easy range to extend. Jamming doesn't require to pilot your ship correctly, especially in small gang settings where you can jam just about everything that is a threat to you.
You what, mate? Sounds like you've never flown an EWAR platform.
Positioning is EVERYTHING for EWAR hulls, regardless of what kind of EWAR we're talking about.
Bad positioning in an EWAR boat gets you blapped, very quickly. Warping to the fight at zero is suicide. Everyone hates the ECM hull. I mean EVERYONE. As I've said, I fly Kitsunes a lot. I'm used to being the instant primary in a fight, which is why I disable fleet warp and try to arrive on-grid ~10-15s after the fight starts.
Good positioning give you the opportunity to apply your electronic voodoo and gives you a decent chance of escape when the inevitable T3 Dessy or 'ceptor comes burning at you.
The secret to EWAR success is bookmarks, and lot of them. Close by off-grid bookmarks. Bounce perches above, below, front, back, left and right at various ranges. I've spent many, many hours in a snaked Dramiel or 'ceptor burning perches off gates I use regularly and all around various important stations.
Heck, I have over 30 bookmarks scattered around one particular Lowsec -> Highsec gate alone.
Here's some advice on EWAR and how to counter it: https://www.themittani.com/features/ewar-newbies
And if your gonna nerf EWAR, I want my not inconsiderable SP investment back.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.19 23:02:37 -
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erg cz wrote:EWAR is ok, ECM is not ok. Give Caldari something, that disrupts drones instead.
ProTip: You can jam drones. They're equally sensitive to all the different racial ECM modules.
Although, using a tracking disruptor on drones is actually better than jamming them. When jammed, drones appear "idle" to their owner, so they recall them. TD, on the other hand, they're still "fighting", just much less effectively.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.20 01:25:24 -
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Valacus wrote:Yes, everyone hates the ECM hull. You know why? Because it's a load of crap. It's the only EWAR type that turns your ship into a flying space brick of which the only viable countermeasures requires you to gimp your fitting. No wonder everyone hates it. You just countered your own argument.
lol. umad, bro?
Yes ECM has a chance to turn your blinged out solowtfpwnmobile into a loot pinata. It also has a, usually larger, chance of failure. It's all down to the RNG gods.
Seriously, bring some anti-support elements in your gang and those annoying Griffins and Kitsunes suddenly turn into delicious killmails.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
341
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Posted - 2015.11.20 02:25:34 -
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StuRyan wrote:I fly ECM and I actually think it's a terrible part of the game. Reading all these comments one that I liked was about scalability.
Why are certain EWAR modules exempt from the model that Eve has built itself on for everything other module.
Guns - small, medium, large
Missile - small, medium, large
ships - small, medium, large
shields - small, medium, large
armour - small medium, large
Neuts - small, medium, large
Nos- small medium, large
Warp distruptor - standard
Scramble - standard
Target paintes - standard
webs - standard
ECM - standard.
Because ECM uses four different racially specific sensor types and the Multi-Specs are all but useless outside of Officer mods?
If I'm flying with a rainbow rack and I encounter a gang with, for example, two Omen Navy Issues and two Svipuls as their anti-support, I'm highly, HIGHLY unlikely to be able to jam all four of them unless I know in advance what I'm up against and I have time to refit my jam rack accordingly, which is very unusual in most roaming situations.
Besides, you CAN fit, for example, Small Lasers onto a Megathron if you really want.
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