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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.11.19 04:42:09 -
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Pilots;
The Consortium has completed preliminary testing of a combat doctrine for fighting Drifter incursions. Refinements on the basic methodology are required before this is an operational doctrine. However, at present sufficiently dedicated pilots may now push back the Drifters without taking unbearable losses.
In brief, with use of target disrupting cruisers, armor logistics, and fast-locking frigates to attempt to catch Drifter superweapon firings, the Consortium has successfully cleared two moderate Drifter influxes.
Interested parties may contact me directly for our initial fits, and recommendations for developments from those initial fits.
Please note that the Consortium will continue operations to refine our methodology. Without additional support, we are not certain the Consortium will be able to defend Amarr sovereignty unsupported.
In service,
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries, Ltd.
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Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2015.11.19 05:37:45 -
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I will do my best to make the next fleet. Time to send these unholy monsters to the void-or at least the Drone Regions.
Forged in the fires of the forth Delve war, I've been to hell, and I'm back for more, so cap the gas and push back the door, turn fuel to fire, let the monster roar.
Retainer of House Sarum
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Sirlan Takahi
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.11.19 12:37:55 -
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I must admit, it was very thrilling to see that blast whiz by my portside, a clean miss. Our Crucifier wingmen were great.
Honing the technique, I believe we'll be able to take them on with absolutely no losses. Twice the drifters fired their superweapon at me, and twice they missed. I also witnessed them miss attempts at using the superweapon against some of my fleet mates. |
Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
270
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Posted - 2015.11.19 15:41:44 -
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Excellent work, and thank you for sharing your findings. |
Juan Mileghere
Incident Command
Resonance.
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Posted - 2015.11.19 15:47:24 -
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I would be interested to see what you all are doing to defeat the drifter menace, I would like to see the drifter menace that has brought terror to the galaxy be stopped and would be happy to help stop it.
Blobbing Explained
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Eternal Guardian
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2015.11.19 16:00:38 -
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The strategy is.. Unorthodox, but effective. Truly we are using our foes' strengths against them. We must remain vigilant, however, I fear these tactics may not scale well with larger Drifter forces. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.11.19 16:05:40 -
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One of the reasons why we'll be doing continued combat testing.
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Eternal Guardian
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2015.11.19 16:13:25 -
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If you find your fleets in need of logistical support, I am well trained in the ways of inhibiting those who wish to cause harm. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.11.19 16:28:12 -
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Updated the original post; you or any other pilot wishing to support us may join the channel Consortium Operations.
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
778
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:52:46 -
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I have joined aforementioned channel and headed out to the Bika system in my trusty Providence filled with an assortment of ships and modules top aid in this cause.
Let us stop this invasion.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Elinari Rhodan
Omni Galactic
Central Omni Galactic Group
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Posted - 2015.11.20 09:57:16 -
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Despite timezones being against me, I will be readying some ships to jump into the fray with you as and when I can. After seeing a tiny slice of what they can do, I definitely want to step it up for round 2. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1884
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Posted - 2015.11.20 10:07:18 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Updated the original post; you or any other pilot wishing to support us may join the channel Consortium Operations.
I have a question that I still haven't seen an answer for: Are the Drifters targeting the local populace of systems they are in? Are they attacking civilians or simply the Amarr military?
If it is only the military then I will not act against the Drifters as I have no idea as to their reasoning (and in many cases may agree with them). If they are attacking non-combatents then I will gladly assist against them. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.11.20 13:22:40 -
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Among the sites being attacked include stations.
For whosoever shall lay his life down for his Lord
He shall be taken into the arms of God
And forever consecrated will he be.
-Amarr-Askura 2:3
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Jade Blackwind
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
740
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Posted - 2015.11.21 12:23:21 -
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Public records show that your new doctrine fleet was wiped by the drifters yesterday in Raren. Three tracking disruptors on each Arbitrator didn't help? |
Indira Harashani
Harashani Family
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Posted - 2015.11.21 15:27:52 -
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That would have been the third "Moderate Influx" site we were in for the evening. The first two were far more successful.
I'd been selected to test a new prototype vessel for the fleet, hence the 'random' Maller - but in previous sites, the protoype had done exactly what it was supposed to do: survive long enough for the Drifters to come close to apply their weapons where they were vulnerable to tracking disruption. Armor integrity tended to stabilize from remote nanite streams somewhere between twenty and thirty percent, and then would climb as the Drifters stopped being able to land hits. In this particular case, some lucky shots were made on their approach when tracking disruption wouldn't have helped anyway; after reviewing the bluechip logs from the Hardened Feint, it appears my loss was due to a particularly lucky shot on the Drifters' part, taking the ship from approximately one-third armor integrity to no structure at all in a single volley. All in all, the tests with the prototype Maller served their purpose - it works, generally speaking, barring what some pilots often refer to as "unlucky dicerolls" or "RNGesus."
Based on information passed to me from the very brief AAR that occurred afterward (the fleet, at that point, stood down for the night, the test being over) as well as my own observations, there were a few possibilities for the 'wipe.'
First was that we were light on Exequrors. This I won't dispute, and would personally cite as the primary cause - we did better with four as a minimum, and because I was operating the prototype Maller, I was unable to fly one. We had had four for the first site we tested, but one pilot had to leave and the decision was made to go ahead with three because we were already light on Arbitrator pilots. This did not cause much of a problem in the second site, for what it is worth.
Second was that when my vessel was destroyed, everyone else in my squad in the fleet hierarchy lost their fleet coordination links. This heavily weakened a number of ships. I was in a squad command position because I was intended as 'bait' and it would mean that as the first person into the Influx I would be able to mark the Drifters with tags for the Arbitrators. In the third site, there may have been some confusion in this regard as I believe the IKAME pilot who was in charge of the other squad also may have begun tagging on reflex. In the previous two sites this had not been an issue.
Third would have been the tagging mix-up as mentioned above.
Fourth is that we were low on replacement ships. In the third Influx, we ran out of replacement Exequrors, and then eventually Arbitrators, and it became a race of attrition. I returned to the field in a second Maller, as I had been set up with two in the beginning.
We did manage to clear the Influx of Drifters in the end however, but it was very close; I believe there were only three or four ships still standing (my second Maller included) when the last Drifter fell and we began recovery operations.
Lady Indira Harashani
Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.11.21 15:53:58 -
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I always find it entertaining when pilots who haven't fought the Drifters and aren't volunteering to assist in the fight criticize our methods.
Yes, our doctrines require some continued development, and our execution needs work. Needless to say, it isn't easy to fight six or more Drifter battleships at a time with a handful of standard cruisers, but it's the path we've been investigating to allow for an economical method for continuing this war.
But I remain entertained by naysayers, because at least we're doing something of note, while the naysayers... what? Bleat from the pasture?
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Jade Blackwind
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
740
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Posted - 2015.11.21 16:38:27 -
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Indira Harashani wrote:That would have been the third "Moderate Influx" site we were in for the evening. The first two were far more successful.
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Nice AAR! Gives lots on info on your operation. Thank you!
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Indira Harashani
Harashani Family
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Posted - 2015.11.21 17:42:53 -
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I would hesitate to call that an AAR.
You made an assumption based on public records of capsuleer losses without any context to those losses. I merely provided the missing context and an explanation.
I believe Ms. Priano, or one of the other Consortium representatives who was present last night, would be better-suited to providing an actual AAR.
Lady Indira Harashani
Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1639
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Posted - 2015.11.21 19:48:40 -
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I wouldn't call it an assumption, so much as looking at the public records and asking for clarification. |
Kithrus
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2015.11.21 20:16:29 -
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It would be unfair to not mention the lives of the baseliners we hired to assist in the operation of our ships to make this op possible. I want to further mark the lives lost in duty so we may find the optimal weapon on the assassins of our late empress.
My family is setting up a special fund for compensating the families and loved ones of those brave individuals.
That said excellent run all round.
Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.
If you are brave, join me in the dark.
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Specia1 K
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.22 07:33:14 -
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Have you tested any range limits to the drifters? I had previous success with a sniping fit Cerb, alas the dps at that range was not formidable against the battleships. I wondered if sensor damps would have reduced the drifters ability to target at mid-level ranges, where more damage could be applied.
Keep up the good work, this menace must be dealt with. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Sani-Sabik
1105
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Posted - 2015.11.22 09:47:12 -
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And so the Drifters fall before the Righteous.
Well, that's that then, isn't it ?
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Darkon Gatland
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.11.22 15:01:42 -
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We now have brave pilots taking on Drifters single handed in sites all over the Nashar incursion, they have made slow but steady progress, now is the time to send in the fleets! |
Indira Harashani
Harashani Family
84
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Posted - 2015.11.22 16:12:14 -
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Arrendis wrote:I wouldn't call it an assumption, so much as looking at the public records and asking for clarification.
Public combat records are nothing more than text and numbers, almost totally devoid of useful details and context that explains how things played out to result in their generation. The assumption was that we had 'wiped' based on little more than that there were multiple losses within a few minutes of each other, which is in fact no different from most times a site was run.
Furthermore, a 'wipe' implies a complete failure of the objective at the loss of the entire group. While the fight turned into a bit of a tit-for-tat once we ran out of Exequrors, we still managed to hold the field with three or four ships left standing once the last Drifter fell and the influx was closed.
Considering we have ranged from as few as two losses to upwards of eight in an individual Influx across the several testing sessions that have been held, I would be rather hesitant to consider that one incident to be out of the ordinary in any way, outside of the particularly (un)lucky strike on my vessel.
The Consortium appears to have arrived at what is, at the very least, a semi-reliable method for handling smaller groups of Drifters. The question of how reliable it is, and how much it can be scaled upward, still remains.
Lady Indira Harashani
Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.22 16:40:21 -
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Indira Harashani wrote:Arrendis wrote:I wouldn't call it an assumption, so much as looking at the public records and asking for clarification. Public combat records are nothing more than text and numbers, almost totally devoid of useful details and context that explains how things played out to result in their generation.
Which is precisely why a clarification would be needed.
Quote:The assumption was that we had 'wiped'
Was not an assumption. It was a question: 'did you wipe?' If not, then 'no' is a perfectly acceptable answer.
If I ask you 'do you want a hamburger?' I am not assuming you want one. I am, in fact, doing precisely the opposite and asking you for information so as not to assume. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.11.22 16:43:18 -
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Incorrect, Arrendis. Reread the post we are referring to.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1643
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Posted - 2015.11.22 18:34:11 -
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Oh, I've read it. And I understand where you're getting that interpretation. Don't get me wrong on that. But with the follow-up sentence, it becomes a 'uh... what happened?' Just an incredibly, incredibly poorly-phrased one. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.11.22 18:53:16 -
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Hm. As you will. There's an aphorism, "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." I tend to think, though, that most capsuleers are bright enough to know what they're saying, especially on this forum
It's unfortunately easy to assume Blackwind is just ****-slinging.
By starting with so loaded a statement that also displays misconceptions about what occurred, I then assume she's trolling.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1644
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Posted - 2015.11.22 19:00:22 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Hm. As you will. There's an aphorism, "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." I tend to think, though, that most capsuleers are bright enough to know what they're saying, especially on this forum
It's unfortunately easy to assume Blackwind is just ****-slinging.
By starting with so loaded a statement that also displays misconceptions about what occurred, I then assume she's trolling.
I've found that aphorism to be far, far truer than I would've liked to believe it could be... even among the 'immortal angry sky-gods of New Eden'.
Think of it as my own strange mix of idealism and cynicism: I'm idealistic enough to want to believe someone's not intentionally being a jerk... and cynical enough to assume there's more than enough stupid out there to look like they are. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7840
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Posted - 2015.11.22 19:10:47 -
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Something, something, stupidity and hydrogen?
That said, pilots, back to the weightier topic at hand. We've completed three test operations, with variable success; a full AAR will follow some consultations over the next several days.
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